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Offline Will Moore

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PAMPA subscription
« on: January 20, 2018, 04:23:34 PM »
Friend at the field asked , how do you subscribe to PAMPA. The website says to wait for 2018 renewal until you get an email. But what if you want to join 1st Time. How do you do that ?
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Re: PAMPA subscription
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2018, 04:33:17 PM »
  Hi Will;
    There is a changing of the guard at PAMPA and they are revamping the web site and such, and thus the decision to hold off on renewals until April. These are all volunteers doing this in their spare time, but I think they are nearing the end of the line on the work involved.  Do a search for a recent thread for the people involved and contact info, it was in the last couple of months that there was a lengthy thread about it. This shoule make things easier for the volunteers, and for members to keep track of their memberships and not have to do it during the crsuh of the holidays and other end of year things. I'm going to recommend they do it with our local flying site permits also.
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Re: PAMPA subscription
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2018, 04:55:07 PM »
I'm not sure I'd describe it as subscribe but rather join.
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Re: PAMPA subscription
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2018, 05:42:18 PM »
  Hi Will;
    There is a changing of the guard at PAMPA and they are revamping the web site and such, and thus the decision to hold off on renewals until April. These are all volunteers doing this in their spare time, but I think they are nearing the end of the line on the work involved.  Do a search for a recent thread for the people involved and contact info, it was in the last couple of months that there was a lengthy thread about it. This shoule make things easier for the volunteers, and for members to keep track of their memberships and not have to do it during the crsuh of the holidays and other end of year things. I'm going to recommend they do it with our local flying site permits also.
  Type at you later,
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Thank you Dan, that was very helpful. He will wait until April.
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Re: PAMPA subscription
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2018, 05:45:37 PM »
Crist. :  not so  Z@@ZZZ
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Re: PAMPA subscription
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2018, 09:19:47 PM »
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Re: PAMPA subscription
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2018, 05:35:33 AM »
Seriously?

Ya Crist, I feel your pain, I always felt PAMPA's mission statement was lost in the noise. Can't blame some people for thinking they are buying a service because we didn't push back hard enough on the idea. If people would think it through, that PAMPA is the SIG that represents, promotes and communicates about their Event and runs the Nats for them, and if we harped on the nomenclature of "Dues" rather than subscription, like joining a Union, mayhaps people would be more savvy to the whole idea.

Promoting the whole idea of a magazine and feature articles over just a competition newsletter didn't help our cause. As a victim of our own earlier success,  the whole "paid service" idea took root and didn't do anything to foster an environment of volunteerism that was so desperately needed. That is why the newsletter is ultimately going to be online. A magazine is sorely outdated and too slow to get the info out in this modern age of instantaneous news on the forums. Personally, I'm surprised that we are going to try and keep a partial print version going along with the new web format...

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Re: PAMPA subscription
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2018, 05:46:52 AM »
Some feel that Stunt News is PAMPA....hence "subscription".....

Eric hit it on the head.....

I've been hearing about the "new web site" for a couple years......

My belief is that membership in PAMPA will drop bigly without a magazine.....


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Re: PAMPA subscription
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2018, 06:37:14 AM »
Crist and Eric got it right.  PAMPA is a volunteer organization that supports the PA event.  The Stunt News magazine is a "tool" that we use to that purpose (supporting the event).  Unfortunately, as Peabody has alluded to, too many people have come to enjoy the tool  and have forgotten its purpose.  Stunt News has done a fantastic job of supporting the event - to the point that many people want to be "subscribers" and have neglected the "volunteer" part.  We often see examples of this in the PA event, where people compete for the trophies or the fun and forget that someone (everyone!) needs to take their turn in the barrel for the trophies to continue to be passed out.

I hope that when we come out the other side of this we will still have Stunt News (in a shorter form) as I do enjoy the hard copy for its convenience.  But I also expect that we will have a web-site that will become the major "go-to" for PAMPA.

And finally, that PAMPA will be able to add some other "tools" to its "tool-box" to strengthen its volunteer organization and its support for our event.

Scott 

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Re: PAMPA subscription
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2018, 11:08:56 AM »
Seriously?
Hi Crist,  what is meant ( in a not so serious way) was that your comment was “not so .....HELPFUL “ ,
not,  “ no, that’s not true....”

You are correct iin that PAMPA  is an organization rather than a magazine.  I know that, duh.

The guy at the field wants the magazine to read. I was using his words. And he wanted to know how to get it. He doesn’t care whether the fee gets you a membership, or what it’s called that your paying for. He wants to pay to get the magazine. What you said wasn’t helpful for him to get It  Get it?   That’s all I meant.

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Re: PAMPA subscription
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2018, 12:53:23 PM »
I am happy to report that Mike Strand is getting the MEMBERSHIP dues paperwork out the beginning this week.  I am happy to report that we were able to lower them from last year.  We hope to lower them some more next year.  After Chris Rud gets over the flu he will then be letting us know what his plans are for Stunt News.  I have a good idea but we still need to nail down a few things so I can't give specifics just yet.  It will be a combination of paper and online.  With Chris' help we (the EC) are hopeful that the new website will be more interactive in the future.  I have taken the attitude and told the rest of the EC that the past is the past.  We are starting new from this point.  We will refer to the past only to say this did and did not work and to learn from it.  I am starting to push the guys (and I am sure they can attest to that) fairly hard to get things done.  I have also told them that as long as it is not illegal I don't care how they get from point A to point B.  Just get there. 

I will post updates as things develop.
Matt Neumann

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2018, 02:07:18 PM »
Here is some of the challenge that we as members of PAMPA face.  Our purpose to support the event is helped if we have a great magazine because the magazine helps in many ways: it communicates in ways that support the event (and here I am referring to stunt in its many forms), it attracts new members, it educates all members, and it facilitates the generation of funds to support the event.  However, the magazine becomes a liability when its issues become the focus, instead of PAMPA's focus on supporting the event; or when its funding becomes the major funding issue of the organization; or when it leads members to think they are "subscribing" rather than "volunteering" when they join PAMPA.

My opinion is that we have had a successful magazine to such an extent that it has over-shadowed the volunteer organization.  Part of the way to fix this is not to hurt the magazine, but to greatly improve the organization of the volunteers.  And please do not mis-interpret my use of the term "hurt", for me reducing the magazine in number of pages may not hurt it at all in regards to its being useful to PAMPA.  Stunt News is a great "tool".  But it is a tool and should not be an end in itself.  What PAMPA needs are other tools to support its mission.

I think Matt gets this, but it is not going to happen over-night.


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