Planes that have not been flown

[john e. holliday]

Doing some PM's with a fellow poster on this forum and it was brought up about planes being built still waiting to be flown.   In fact I have several Mouse Racers that are still waiting to be put in the air.  I think in total I have maybe 6 planes that need to be flown.   But, I have kind of lost my desire this summer with the high temps and the old joints that ache most of the time.  Guess they are telling me I am getting old.  Meantime the planes are on hold for the doors are being replaced on the shop.  Just like model planes it doesn't pay to skip on the quality.   This winter should be a lot warmer.  No more giving up the shop as I am still trying to get rid of the cat odor.  Doping planes has helped a bit. 

Also trying to reorganize things, like kits and engines.  What to get rid of and what to keep.  The other thought that just hit me is the drive I used to make to mow the field so I could put up  couple of flights.  Nothing like bearings going out on the trailer I haul the mower on.  Another time was a tire going to peices on the trailer.  AAA will not help get trailers home on a roll back.  If it had been the old Ford there would have been plenty of help.  But, today it is too wet to work outside the shop and the school is on 1/2 day session.  Anyway need to get the Equalizer, the Perky and a few others in the air.  Need to get my wire shaped for the P-39 so it will be stoogable.   Better quit for now.

[John Stiles]

Shoot, Doc..............load all your geedunk into a moving van and come to Tulip.....I'll do the mowin, and the field in right here! Even got an extra house! Just needs a little tweakin! I've got 8 or 9 that ain't been flown myself.

[Jim Kraft]

Me too Doc; Its just been to hot, to rainy, or to windy all summer here. I have only been out a few times other than the two contests I flew in. Maybe we will have a mild fall/winter. I remember a few years back when it stayed in the 60's all winter, and I flew at least once a week all winter long. We can hope anyway.

[W.D. Roland]

We could hold a contest for who has the most unflown airplanes.

Looks like we have a couple of contenders all ready to compete!

I propose 2 classes
ARF and BOM


Do we need a class for those that are crashed before test flight?

David

[Bill Little]

HI Doc,

Well, I seem to be in the category that is "getting older and can't stand the heat like I used to".   And when I am not getting to fly any, it isn't as easy to work on the planes.

I don't have any *completed* models that haven't been flown.  Got quite a few in various stages of construction, though.  Three only need paint, basically, but the compressor went down........

Mongo

[EddyR]

Here is my unflown plane befor I had the clear on it.
Ed

[Ward Van Duzer]

Eddie knows. JD Falcons only come in one color!

W.

[EddyR]

Ward  This plane sat in my shop in Metalic Green for two years and had so many accidents that I had to recover it. A speaker grill fell through it one time. Tom convinced me to do it in Orange. It is now ready to fly. Rustler/40 for power.
Ed

[W.D. Roland]

While we have a gathering of unfinished project experts rounded up I have a couple of question.

I have a P-47 that has been finished all but the finish(paint) for over 20 years.
You can imagine the dust in the balsa grain.
The dust is deep in the grain and stubborn.


What is a good way to remove the dust?
Should I leave the dust and let it be 'grain filler'?

[Serge_Krauss]

Doing some PM's with a fellow poster on this forum and it was brought up about planes being built still waiting to be flown.   In fact I have several Mouse Racers that are still waiting to be put in the air.  I think in total I have maybe 6 planes that need to be flown.

John-

Ha! Now you have me at a disadvantage. My planes that haven't flown are just the ones that survived my youth. They haven't flown in 40-50 years! I still have an unflown pseudo "mouse racer" of my own (first picture, ca. 1969), my "Royal Rodent" , which luckily did not fly (ca. 1962, what was I thinking when I built that control system???), a "Whipsaw", which balanced ahead of the leading edge with a full-race slush-bucket McCoy rear-rotory .19, and the world's heaviest Yak-9, which I started to build in about 1960-62 and almost finished in 2001 (last picture). Only the Yak may ever fly. I just need to finish my present projects!

SK

[W.D. Roland]

Serge
Yak looks good! fly it.

Do you have a set of plans for the whipsaw?
Always wanted to build one.
There was a big and small version of it?

Thanks David

[John Craig]

Baxter has the super whipsaw.  See the index.

http://www.controllineplans.com/frameset2.htm

[Lester Nicholson]

thank you Mr. Holiday - thgought it was just me - can,t tolerate the heat any more and the cold that never used to bother me gets deep into my bones - therefore I have a 1/2 dozen yet to be flown.   nick

[dennis lipsett]

I gave away about a dozen models that I never flew recently. I need the room to build a few more.
Dennis

[Terrence Durrill]

Planes waiting to be flight tested: Junior Flite Streak/Fox .15 steel fin engine, Manwin Trainer (the plastic advertising sheet picked up on the roadside airplane)/Cox Black Widow for motivation, Sig Akromaster (rescued from a friend's trashbin and repaired/refinished)/Fox .15 slant plug engine.  There is also a pair of AMA Delta Dart II's.  One is a whip power model; the other has a Cox Baby Bee engine for power. Since I only build about one plane every five or six years, that might tell you how often I get out to fly anything.  Have many other planes in the shop that have not been in the air for years, some 25 or 30 (some even longer)...TD            

[Serge_Krauss]

Serge
Yak looks good! fly it.

Do you have a set of plans for the whipsaw?
Always wanted to build one.
There was a big and small version of it?

Thanks David

David-

I keep "thinking" I'll put on the hardware, perhaps spruce up the paint with a bit of trim and fly it. I'm just not looking forward to seeing it wallow around. I finished it before I had learned some better building techniques and their relative merits.

Yes I do have plans. Check your e-mail, if the file sizes didn't get them rejected.

I got the larger "Whipsaw" plans from a friend's kit, but the proportions are very different. I designed the much larger wing on my short-lived stunter to the proportions of the original, smaller plane, but never got to fill out the full chord with the planned stationary flaps. Anyway, I felt that for less "thrilling" flying, a an enlargement from a copy shop would probably be a good plan. Because of the small size though, the fuselage doesn't scale up in a very useful way. I drew my own. The original "Whipsaw" must have been awfully fast with the recommended power. Here's my lamented derivative (paint discontinued, when weight started to get out of hand).

SK

[john e. holliday]

If I remember right, the "Whipsaw" was designed for combat.   It was meant to go fast.  Then the flying wings took over.

[George]

..Do we need a class for those that are crashed before test flight?

David

Definitely! Perhaps how many "hangar rash" repairs between finished and flown.

Whipsaw and Super Whipsaw: From a discussion a few years ago, I came away with the idea that the double tapered wing degraded performance a bit, and the short nose on the smaller one (perhaps both) required the tank to need relocation to a less than ideal position.
The idea that it was for combat never came up. Perhaps a smaller tank could fit in for that purpose. I always thought it was such a cool plane...but never built one.

George

[Serge_Krauss]

DOC - That's quite right. It was supposed to be fast, and at only about 150 in², it'd be incredibly fast with todays .15 combat engines! I think the vertical c.g. is way too high for "precision" work, but it's still quite an appealing little profile job.

George- I don't know that double taper would necessarily hurt it, and I would have expected a Paul DeGatto model to fly well. However, despite being dimensionally thinner, the tip is actually a higher % thickness, maybe too thick for low Reynolds numbers. Maybe it flew best fast; things might be a bit subtle to analyze, except by just flying it. Tank space is a problem. It's originally shown above the wing and angled upward toward the rear, with the pickup quite a bit above the venturi. Maybe this isn't a combat problem, but it might make runs pretty uneven. I have no experience, since I never flew it. The McCoy just coughed up burning fuel twice. After I patched and repainted it, I never rebuilt the nose for a better engine. So it survived my talents, as they were. Ha!

Anyway, I agree; it's cool.

[W.D. Roland]

Thanks Serge!
And also others who in the last few days have provided plans to some of the airplanes I wanted as a young on
never was able to build.
Some where around age 10 I really wanted a Whipsaw, Dad rightly convinced me there were better designs for combat.
Did not affect the desire to build one.
That high aspect ratio tapered wing just hits the right spot.

Scaled up to a reasonable wing area for .35 would be good. Will be large span but that cool.

Serge, the files came across nice!

Thanks!
David