Palmer Hurricane

[Dan Berry]

Here it is.
Brodak kit, OS 40FP, dope.
43oz with no tail wheel or tip weight.
A year in the making.

[Phil Spillman]

Looks pretty sharp to me! Have you flown it as yet? I have one and plan to mount an ST .46 for power. Several years ago I saw Gary Tultz's fly very well with first a McCoy .40 Red Head and later a Brodak .40. Both combinations were drop dead superb!

Phil Spillman

[Gordon Van Tighem]

Here's my very experienced Veco Hurricane, built in the 1960's, with almost 1000 flights to date. Some day I will find out what is rattling inside it. Fox .40 with 11/5 prop. (In 1976 it placed in both stunt and scale.)

[Leester]

Looks Great !!! Love it !!!

[don boka]

Built mine in 1962, still have it. It is no lightweight and originally powered with a John SS 35 which was OK at best.
Repowered with a re-worked ST 46 and they are made for each other!!
Also have and will build the Australian kit of it. The "Hurrybox " looks great in the air! One of my all time favorites!
Don Boka.

[Steve Helmick]

Does anybody think that the joggle in the ridge aft of the canopy is way too far aft? Besides me, I mean! Other than that, it's one of my fav Classics. Did anybody ever see Bob Palmer's original? Or did he just design it? I'm thinking the Veco kit had a snafu there. Steve 

[Paul Allen]

Dan
 Love the color.Looks great.

[Dallas Hanna]

Does anybody think that the joggle in the ridge aft of the canopy is way too far aft? Besides me, I mean! Other than that, it's one of my fav Classics. Did anybody ever see Bob Palmer's original? Or did he just design it? I'm thinking the Veco kit had a snafu there. Steve 

From here somewhere Palmer's original in foreground.

HH

[FLOYD CARTER]

WWII fighters always make nice stunt subjects.  The Hurricane, Spitfire, and others offer diverse paint schemes, which can be both authentic and eye-catching.

My Hurricane was built from ideas stolen from many sources and photos.  At 60" span, somewhat larger than the available kits, so I had to draw my own plans.  Of course, some outlines had to be changed for a successful stunter.

(I see that Eric Rule has adopted a photo of my Hurricane to advertise his own Hurricane kit, although his is somewhat smaller.)

Floyd

[rustler]

Does anybody think that the joggle in the ridge aft of the canopy is way too far aft? Besides me, I mean!

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Yes. Absolutely. When I've mentioned this, I usually get the comment "That's how Bob designed it".

[Clint Ormosen]

t

Yes. Absolutely. When I've mentioned this, I usually get the comment "That's how Bob designed it".

Yup. For a Bob Palmer designed Hurricane model, it's absolutely correct.
But for the actual full scale Hurricane, it's wrong.

Since this is model forum, I'm just going to say "beautiful model"!!!

[Dan Berry]

What is the 'joggle' that we are mentioning?

[Clint Ormosen]

What is the 'joggle' that we are mentioning?

The change of angle in the top of the fuse toward the vertical fin. On the full scale plane, it's closer to the canopy.

It has little to do with your model, Dan, which is an outstanding version of the Palmer design. Nice job!

[Dan Berry]

The change of angle in the top of the fuse toward the vertical fin. On the full scale plane, it's closer to the canopy.

It has little to do with your model, Dan, which is an outstanding version of the Palmer design. Nice job!

I just figured that the fuselage is a compromise against the real plane. Shorter tail moment, wider wing plus longer nose.
On mine, the turtledeck seems to be slightly above the canopy for a bit.
I figure it looks like a hurribird from a distance or the Great Pumpkin. It ain't red, white and blue. Which is a big deviation for me.

[Skip Chernoff]

Nice job on that Hurricane.Enjoy flying it!

[Mike Scholtes]

To Gordon Van T - just noticed your location in Yellowknife NT. So, your flying season is like 3 days in alternate Junes? And, do you ever fly on Buffalo Airways?

My mom is from Weyburn SAS, later Edmonton where I lived as a lad. Family moved to the coasts when couldn't stand the winters any more.

[Steve Helmick]

What is the 'joggle' that we are mentioning?

Original per Bob Palmer or not, it looks very wrong. But it is still a pretty Hurricane-ish stunter.  Steve

[Gordon Van Tighem]

To Gordon Van T - just noticed your location in Yellowknife NT. So, your flying season is like 3 days in alternate Junes? And, do you ever fly on Buffalo Airways?

My mom is from Weyburn SAS, later Edmonton where I lived as a lad. Family moved to the coasts when couldn't stand the winters any more.

I have taken to travelling to VSC to extend my flying season. We do get a good 4 months or so for flying.
 I have indeed flown with Buffalo and enjoy the owner's flights with his Norseman and now an N3N off the bay in front of my house. I started off in Calgary, then Edmonton, then Yellowknife, finally retired to stop the northward trend.

[Gordon Van Tighem]

Here is a Hurricane, from an Italian plan, that I hope to build. Original powered by an ST .60.

[M Spencer]

Does anybody think that the joggle in the ridge aft of the canopy is way too far aft? Besides me, I mean! Other than that, it's one of my fav Classics. Did anybody ever see Bob Palmer's original? Or did he just design it? I'm thinking the Veco kit had a snafu there. Steve  

NO , its the Canopy is to far forward ! .

Seeing we're going ' Hawker hurricane ' at the moment , here mine . Waiting untill other ' elsewhere ' to nail a few ships together , or theyll never all fit in the car .

Thats 63 ? span for a Stalker 66 RE , told " its the prototype " And does do what it ought to " the production ones burp inverted . THEY SAY .
Hideous picture of 57 in one , OS 40 FSRS / ST G51 . Though light'd be .46 . Carved through the wind well ,
 felt odd, the 3 1/4 bellcrank'd explain that . No real feedback . was 57 Oz ish . Note the flat tips, a fault in the full size too .


Yea , the PAINt is not there , it was just after recovering .

That Mufflers Not Normally on it . Oversprung undercarrage was a bit flexable . But flying it on a cliff top ( Gulch ) Farm Paddock ,
it came howling in , on the top for 15 yards , and dropped its tail , at the halt . 6 ft before the precipice . So Worked Afterall .

[M Spencer]

Nice Plane , by the way .

Theres a  similar ' Sheeks ' hurricane , also .for a .46/35 I think .

Some ' How to paint a Hurricane ' stuff ,

[Dennis Leonhardi]

Here is a Hurricane, from an Italian plan, that I hope to build. Original powered by an ST .60.

Very nice, Gordon!  Where did you find the plan?


Dennis

[Leester]

I bought this from Guideline Publications in the UK I checked there web site but don't see it offered anymore. Prices on Amazon are "Stupid Silly High"

[Gordon Van Tighem]

Very nice, Gordon!  Where did you find the plan?


Dennis

Plans are in an Italian magazine, copy attached. The designer has copies available but all in Italian.
 Hippocketaeronautics.com has the downloadable 'Profile' publication displaying all the color schemes

[FLOYD CARTER]

If you "Google" Hawker Hurricane, you come up with lots of color photos.  Pick the scheme you like.  Unless you are building a scale model, you do not need documentation of color.  I found the scheme I liked this way for my own Hurricane stunter  (and also my C/L stunt Spitfire)

Floyd

[M Spencer]

WELL DAN , I hope it flys as good as it looks . v good weight , Id Think .

American Hawker Hurricane USAAF

 

Gordon , The Italian one looks very intresting . at first sight it looks like it'd weigh a ton .   But further perusal negates that view . Most Realistic , too .
The CENTERSECTION TRAILING EDGE , on the Full Size , the T.E. appears to ' Straight Line ' to the Root Fairings ( Which go out to the dieheadral break  )

Before we'd realised Al's Sea Fury ' assymetric ' airfoil was only on the center section , drawing up this one , Id thought ' Stuff It  , only way to do it ,
Bring the FLAP Straight In to the root fillet , and droop the C/S T.E. '
Thisd Give a Lifting Section  at the Fuse - alledgedly of help in the High G lower triangle / hourglass Corners . We're Told .

Air being funny stuff , radical sections can have airflow breakaway. Maybe .
And Milder Curves good adheshion ? .
ANYWAY ,
The dreaded Hurricane ' Floats ' through the Downhill / intersection , of the outside loop at the top of the Vertical Eight . Moreso , or Vastly better than anyother.
One can only deduce that the flap deflection / airfoil curve match & improve lift there ?? also the inwash airflow from the dieheadral , not to mention the washout.
a few degrees maybe . washin Inverted ( Greater incidance at tips , inverted ) you can feel the lift out there inverted , it tends to pivot/ rock of it , in level Inverted
flight . Slightly toeier Level Inverted - but not when turning - as it ' grooves ' in the turn . Was going to washout the new bigger wing, but it didnt so it isnt .

THEREFORE ;
Its a darn sight easyer to run the flap straight - No dual flaps Ea Side , youd get em further in with a reduced fillet on that too.
( it looks like He has just gone ' way scale ' in that area ( also ) RATHER perhaps than a Beringer ' undisrupted Airflow adjacent fuselage '

I chose to use the Fuse as a fence to enhance flap effectiveness . Hence its adjacent .
Therefore , You draw the T.E. at the C. S. to match the Dieheadral , giving a increasing ' Clark Y ' effect toward center .
if done , it may well enhance the Outsides  more than it does insides , but I think worth doing , and actually lloks more scale.

With the exception that the upper rear skin really needs say 1 mm droop , to the diheadral break ,  so it appears FLAT rather than Appearing concave .

[M Spencer]

If you "Google" Hawker Hurricane, you come up with lots of color photos.  Pick the scheme you like.  Unless you are building a scale model, you do not need documentation of color.  I found the scheme I liked this way for my own Hurricane stunter  (and also my C/L stunt Spitfire)

Floyd

Theres Referances there for dimensions or roundels / markings , too. or links to sites with them . Plastic Scale Nutters ones often sufficently persnickity .
Worth Investigating the post Battle of Britain ' Std European Theartre ' Camo , Grey/Green upper with the Yellow leading edges . If your after Yellow Leading Edges.

[Dan Berry]

It's gonna get heavier. It is top-heavy and needs weight on the wheels.
It also needs the leadouts a bit more forward and it might require surgery to do that.
Props and line length are also subject to change.

On a positive note, it is very easy to see the thing.

[Gordon Van Tighem]

I got my color scheme from the Profile Publication on the Hurricane. I was intrigued with the trainer scheme of L313 which had a camo top and yellow bottom.
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[Gordon Van Tighem]

Bruno posted several pictures of his Hurricane and his fathrt's Peashooter on Alberta Control Line fLying Club on facebook.
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[John Lindberg]

Looks real good, Dan! Let us know how it flies! Remember, these need lines, no FF! 

[Dan Berry]

Looks real good, Dan! Let us know how it flies! Remember, these need lines, no FF! 

It flies but it is a work in progress. It's top=heavy and I might need to do surgery to get the leadouts more forward.
It IS easy to see in the air.