News:



  • June 21, 2025, 04:34:37 PM

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: Figure this out  (Read 2085 times)

Offline Phil Coopy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 701
  • SHADE TREE MECHANIC, NO ENGINEER
Figure this out
« on: October 14, 2006, 04:30:37 PM »
Twister, 46oz, LA40 muffled, nonpressured uniflow tank 1/4" above thrustline, 60ft lines, and 11-5 prop.  The engine runs straight 2c from take off thru the inside loops, then during the outsides it settles into a nice 4-2-4 for he rest of the the flight. If I set the needle richer it runs sloppy all through the flight and if I set it leaner it runs away. Can this be tank height or something like that?

Phil

Offline Richard Grogan

  • AMA Member 85745 Stunt Hangar
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 1373
Re: Figure this out
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2006, 07:04:29 PM »
If I may ask, why did you set the tank above the thrust-line? Try to center the pickup line with the venturi and see what that does...
Long Live the CL Crowd!

                  AMA 85745

Offline Steve Helmick

  • 24 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 10265
Re: Figure this out
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2006, 07:19:54 PM »
Tank height may need more adjustment, but I'd bet on a problem with the tank itself, like a cracked uniflow tube inside the tank.

I'd bet that you'll also find a better prop, if you keep trying. Prop load is an important part of getting the setup to work. The 10.5 x 4.5 APC is one of the best standard props for OS .40LA, .40FP and B.40's. If your LHS doesn't stock them, they can get 'em for you.   y1 Steve
« Last Edit: October 15, 2006, 05:46:14 PM by Steve Helmick »
"The United States has become a place where professional athletes and entertainers are mistaken for people of importance." - Robert Heinlein

In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.  In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.

Offline Lynn Weedman

  • x47weed (Lynn Weedman)
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • ****
  • Posts: 200
Re: Figure this out
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2006, 04:31:17 PM »
I agree with what steve is saying about tank hight
and posable uni-flo tubing cracks or even the end of the uni-flo tube breaking the solder joint at the pick-up
tube. you might even look at the filter your using, it could be fine enough to restrict the fuel flow to cause the 2c condition at crank-up and during flight centrifical force and venting help to richen the fuel flow. Just a theory but it's probably the tank! 
Lynn Weedman

Offline Will Davis

  • 2016 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1261
Re: Figure this out
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2006, 07:03:24 PM »
Phil,
   First guess would be tank problem, Change tank or check inside for loose  or cracked tubing .

William Davis
Will Davis
"Carolina Gang"

Online Paul Taylor

  • 25 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 6598
  • If God is your Co-pilot - swap seats!
    • Our Local CL Web Page
Re: Figure this out
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2006, 07:26:53 PM »
I am taking the "Shot-Gun " effect with my Twister.
Changing out the metel tank with a Clunk, new NVA, and backplate.

10.5x4.5 is a FF prop, and not sure it did much last time I tried one. But maybe after the changes I may try it again.

Paul
Paul
AMA 842917

As my coach and mentor Jim Lynch use to say every time we flew together - “We are making memories

Offline L0U CRANE

  • AMA Member
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1076
Re: Figure this out
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2006, 07:29:58 PM »
Phil,

Somewhere in here, I wrote up my pre-first-flight tank height check procedure. B.Little likes it, too. (He says  ;D )

Mainly, it is a way to prevent a setting that will flame out on you on the first flight. Such flameouts always seem to be at the worst possible place, time and attitude.

Works for me, and Bear, too, apparently. See if you can find it, and give it a try.

As we all seem agreed it is likely a tank height thing, my wig-wag process should narrow things down a lot.
\BEST\LOU

Offline Bill Little

  • 2017
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 12668
  • Second in COMMAND
Re: Figure this out
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2006, 11:02:28 PM »
Phil,

Somewhere in here, I wrote up my pre-first-flight tank height check procedure. B.Little likes it, too. (He says  ;D )

Mainly, it is a way to prevent a setting that will flame out on you on the first flight. Such flameouts always seem to be at the worst possible place, time and attitude.

Works for me, and Bear, too, apparently. See if you can find it, and give it a try.

As we all seem agreed it is likely a tank height thing, my wig-wag process should narrow things down a lot.

Hi Lou,

Yes it does work, I do use it, and I do like it!!  ;D

Bill <><
Big Bear <><

Aberdeen, NC

James Hylton Motorsports/NASCAR/ARCA

AMA 95351 (got one of my old numbers back! ;D )

Trying to get by

Offline Jim Pollock

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 948
Re: Figure this out
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2006, 03:48:15 PM »
If it were mine......

I would take the OS needle valve out and replace it with an ST needle valve.  I bet that just might cure it!

Jim Pollock

Offline Phil Coopy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 701
  • SHADE TREE MECHANIC, NO ENGINEER
Re: Figure this out
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2006, 05:35:49 PM »
Well I moved the tank down even woth the venturi.  The engine already has a Carl Shoup head, ST NVA, and a little larger venturi.  We'll try 'er out tomorry.

Thanks guys,

Phil

Offline john e. holliday

  • 25 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 22975
Re: Figure this out
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2006, 11:57:34 AM »
Make sure you have checked the whole fuel systems.  So far I have had a leaky fuel filter on one plane.  On another it was brand new peice of fuel line that I kinked enought that it cut thru at the fuel pick up tube.  Last of all you you beleive a needle valve assembly that leaked at the engine venturi.  In all three cases the fuel tank passed the pressure test.  DOC Holliday
John E. "DOC" Holliday
10421 West 56th Terrace
Shawnee, KANSAS  66203
AMA 23530  Have fun as I have and I am still breaking a record.

Tags: