Author Topic: OTS Cougar (Read 4792 times)

W.D. Roland · « **on:** February 04, 2012, 10:21:50 PM »

Mikes thread on his Cougar kit reminded me that Im in need of information on this one.
I need to build an OTS for year after this one.
Anyone know more about it?
Designer, span, full sized plans or any thing will help.

Thanks!
David

jim ivey · « **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:15:07 PM »

the couger was a hi johnson desgn 53/54 didn't much look like this drawing. jim

jim ivey · « **Reply #2 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:23:46 PM »

hi's COUGAR - Kenhi kit design by Hi Johnson (2nd. version). 54" span, flaps, upright engine. For .35's. jim

dale gleason · « **Reply #3 on:** February 05, 2012, 07:07:36 AM »

Hello David,
Ask your Dad if he recalls and maybe has pictures of Robert Grant's Kenhi Cougar in Ruston in 1956 or so. Black with pink scalloped leading edges. He traced a penney's outline on masking tape for the "stencil". Torp 35. It won just about every "concour's" wherever it was entered. We sorta' lost track of Robert when he moved to Houma.

dale g

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #4 on:** February 05, 2012, 08:57:06 AM »

Hi Jim
This airplane in question is for sure not the Kenhi Cougar. Possibly a British design? Looking at the plan enlarge on the screen the rudder looks to have 'GJR' with '56' below that. The engine is rear intake something Forster .29?
McCoy .29? or....?

Hi Dale
You and your doing good I hope.
Dad say's that somewhere in the House is a box full of pictures from back yonder when. Claims he will look for it soon.

Would not hurt a thing to 'motivate ' him from your end and I know he would love to hear from you. Drop by and see
him. Do you still have his phone number and email? Let me know and I can PM the info to you.
I do have some of the old 8mm film(super 8?) that has been transferred to CD. Starts at the Dallas Nats, a few places I don't recognize and then several Alexandria contest. Will see if Erin will dig out a copy and send to you.
Chemo got me for the time being so not doing much other than surfing the net and sleeping.
The copy is very slightly blinky(?) as I did the transfer myself with home made equipment but it came out good.

David

Jim Thomerson · « **Reply #5 on:** February 05, 2012, 09:44:12 AM »

There is a Stoker Cougar, Aeromodeller plan, for 3.5 diesel. I flew mine on Taipan and imitation Oliver 2.5's and was well pleased with it. It is Classic legal.

Trostle · « **Reply #6 on:** February 05, 2012, 10:23:55 AM »

I have a listing of all of the Aeromodeller (before mid 1990's and Model Aircraft plans. There is one "Cougar" listed there (Nov 57 Aeromodeller), Plan # CL 673. by TWJ Stoker. The description is:

"45in. (1143mm) coupled flap design with easy sheet fuselage assembly and thick wing section. Ideal for Stunt beginners. Uses 3.5cc engine."

Looking at the article in the magazine, it is not the model shown by WD Rowland at the beginning of this thread. Has a really thick airfoil.

http://www.colinusher.info/Model%20Aircraft/images.html

Dave Day's listings for OTS lists two Courgars but one is for sure the Kenhi kit, and the other is likely the same thing but the listing source is the GSCB. The Dave Day listing for Classic designs also lists the Kenhi kit. This Classic listing also shows the Aeromodeller Stoker design and another Couger with a 54" span by "Johnson" as a Midwest kit from, Model Aviaion, Nov 63.

http://www.iroquois.free-online.co.uk/cl.htm

The model in the Rowland post looks "British", but I cannot find anything in my files on this. I have all of the Aeromodeller Annuals and I do not think it appears in any of those. Nice find if it can be verified to be OTS leagal. Should do a respectable pattern for Classic as well.

Keith

larry richards · « **Reply #7 on:** February 05, 2012, 04:01:05 PM »

Hello Dave. Getting back to the "Original" questions, I have what I believe is the first version of the KENHI Cougar kit still in the original yellow and red box by KENHI Model Products, Burbank California. In answers to your questions or Spec's, This is from the plan and the box label.

Wing Span = 51" Air Foil = HJ - 03515
Length overall = 36 1/4" Finished weight = Approx. 2 3/4 lbs.
Wing Area (less flaps) = 412.5 Sq. In. Wing Loading = Approx. .084 oz. per sq. in.
Flap Area = 137.5 Sq. In. Engine Class = B & C
Toatal Wing Area = 550 Sq. In. Type = Super Stunt

I do hope this is the correct information you're looking for. Larry (Richardskits)

Trostle · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2012, 04:43:21 PM »

Quote from: larry richards on February 05, 2012, 04:01:05 PM

Hello Dave. Getting back to the "Original" questions, -------------

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Yes, to the original questions --

I have not seen anything lately of the Kenhi kits or specifically the Kenhi Cougar. The drawing in WD Rowland's original post on this thread is definitely NOT the Kenhi Cougar.

Instead, it is a model by Gordon Rae, and it appears in Model Builder Magazine, August 1992.

I do not have a copy of that magazine or a copy of the article. Maybe someone does have it and will share with us. This information comes from the Jan/Feb 2007 issue of Stunt News which gives no spec and shows only the drawings as in the original post on this thread and gives the reference to Model Builder. The caption provided by the SN editor described this as a Classic stunt ship "that deserves another chance." I have an idea that the Model Builder article is some sort of a rerun from a British magazine. Still, my plans listings for Aeromodellr and Model Aircraft to not have anything on this "Cougar".

I am positive that the design is British and the engine is an ETA 29.

Keith

qaz049 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 05, 2012, 04:54:10 PM »

Quote from: W.D. Roland on February 04, 2012, 10:21:50 PM

Mikes thread on his Cougar kit reminded me that Im in need of information on this one.
I need to build an OTS for year after this one.
Anyone know more about it?
Designer, span, full sized plans or any thing will help.

Thanks!
David

It's a OTS British design by Gordon Rae powered by a ETA .29. The date of design was 1953, the model is 52" span.

Plans are available from Terry McDonald in the UK and/or http://www.model-plans.co.uk/cl%20sport%20aero.htm

Ray

Ward Van Duzer · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2012, 11:06:27 AM »

Kenhi Cougar...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KENHI-COUGAR-CL-STUNT-PLANE-KIT-NIB-/290641918689

Tom Dixon lists 2 plans, 1st version OTS Legal thin wing

Second version Classic Legal

And a third version by Midwest a cleaned up Kenhi with a real airfoil!

Dixon also shows a Kenhi Panther, Classic...

From a fading memory - Seems to me that a gentleman from Niceville, Fl. flew a smaller swept wing Johnson design in OTS at the old Georgia Rebel club contests when I was competing. As I recall that plane was Black and red, powered by an old Red head McCoy.

Ward-O

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2012, 06:38:28 PM »

WOW Guys!
Thank you all for so much effort on this!

I think Ray Fairall and Keith Trostle have it nailed it down!
Big thanks Ray

The old Gray matter is sluggish for now...dot swim instead of connect.

..So..
Now if I may ask what the heck is the cutoff date for OTS?
And how to go about getting it approved?

I really like the looks of this for an OTS and without doing the math the proportions look pretty dang good.
The airfoil section is a little thin but with some help in weight with 4lb balsa it shouldn't be a problem.

If I can keep the weight down this may be a good plane to finally put my 1949 Fox .35 stunt to use on.

If not a good Red Head .35 should do the trick.

David

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #12 on:** February 06, 2012, 06:56:39 PM »

This "Cougar" is a nice looking airplane. If the design date is truly 1953. it is not OTS. The cutoff date for OTS is December 31, 1952. It would be eligible if there is any proof that the airplane was finished before that date.

Several airplanes have been approved using that criteria. It certainly is a "gray" area.

Bill Little · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2012, 12:21:15 PM »

Quote from: Tom Niebuhr on February 06, 2012, 06:56:39 PM

This "Cougar" is a nice looking airplane. If the design date is truly 1953. it is not OTS. The cutoff date for OTS is December 31, 1952. It would be eligible if there is any proof that the airplane was finished before that date.

Several airplanes have been approved using that criteria. It certainly is a "gray" area.

Hi Tom,

I believe there is good circumstantial evidence that a kit released in 1953 usually existed before the release date. Much like the published in early '53 models. Most of them all were flown a good while before they were released/published. Seems the Cougar has been accepted as a legal OTS model.

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

Allen Brickhaus · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2012, 02:03:39 PM »

Midwest Cougar, the Kenhi looked kind of like this with a more primitive overall look.

Trostle · « **Reply #15 on:** February 07, 2012, 03:03:48 PM »

It is time to be not confused about what is being discussed.

This tread started out asking aobut a Cougar that has been determined to be designed by Gordon Rae. There is some information that the thing appeared in 1953. If so, it could be argued that it was first designed/built before the Dec 52 OTS cutoff date. Some more information might be obtained by looking at an article on this model that reportedly appeared in the August 1992 issue of Model Builder magazine, but a reference to that article in a 2007 Stunt News suggests that this would be good for classic. Perhaps that Model Builder magazine could shed some light on this.

I am not going to get into the Kenhi/Hi Johnson Cougar that might have had several iterations and what appeared as a kit, or when it/they first appeared or if it is OTS legal or whatever. Whatever that Cougar is/was is not the Rae Cougar that started this thread.

Keith

qaz049 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 07, 2012, 04:37:16 PM »

Quote from: Trostle on February 07, 2012, 03:03:48 PM

It is time to be not confused about what is being discussed.

This tread started out asking aobut a Cougar that has been determined to be designed by Gordon Rae. There is some information that the thing appeared in 1953. If so, it could be argued that it was first designed/built before the Dec 52 OTS cutoff date. Some more information might be obtained by looking at an article on this model that reportedly appeared in the August 1992 issue of Model Builder magazine, but a reference to that article in a 2007 Stunt News suggests that this would be good for classic. Perhaps that Model Builder magazine could shed some light on this.

I am not going to get into the Kenhi/Hi Johnson Cougar that might have had several iterations and what appeared as a kit, or when it/they first appeared or if it is OTS legal or whatever. Whatever that Cougar is/was is not the Rae Cougar that started this thread.

Keith

Keith,

Gordon Rae is still an active modeler in the UK and he's well know to the c/l fliers there particularly for his redrawn plans of Vintage models. Terry McDonald should be able to put you in touch with him to confirm the Cougar's date. I'll find out his email address and PM it to you.

Otherwise the model shown in the picture above has an AMA number on one wing. Could you trace back it's owner from that?

Ray

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2012, 08:02:23 PM »

I hope that Gordon can shed more light on his Cougar. Since the above info says that it was designed[/ in 1953, that suggests that it was not flown before the 1952 cut off date.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2012, 09:08:16 AM »

Has anybody tried the Barton site with this question?

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2012, 09:23:59 AM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on February 09, 2012, 09:08:16 AM

Has anybody tried the Barton site with this question?

That was my next thought John.
Haven't had the energy to go through the joining up procedure.
Hope I feel up to it this weekend if someone else who is a member of Barton already ask that would help make
it easier?
Hell my mind is wandering thatnks

David

john e. holliday · « **Reply #20 on:** February 09, 2012, 09:39:35 AM »

If I can get the pic downloaded, I will do it.

Tis done and now I wait for reply in the General section of the Barton site.

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #21 on:** February 09, 2012, 11:50:56 AM »

I finally had a chance to pull the Aug. 1992 Model Builder out to check out the information. It was in John Thompson's column, and Goprdon Rae just talks about this design as being from "the 50's." It has the same 3 view as in the original post and the caption mentions that it was designed in 1953. The article suggests that there may be more information on the design in the SAM 35 Yearbook that was published in England. I don't think I have that, but maybe Keith Trostle does? I won't be able to search my library until tonight to be sure, but I don't think I have this publication.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
PS; The August 1992 Model Builder also had some nice pictures from the VSC that year, and the first Ringmaster round up.

Jim Thomerson · « **Reply #22 on:** February 09, 2012, 03:04:49 PM »

The late Rusty Brown had one of the Gordon "Gamma" Rae Cougars, finished similar to the one in the photo, at one of the VSCs. I think he had flown it at a contest in Portugal, and it was signed by Gordon Rae, but am not sure.