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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Matt Colan on March 22, 2009, 12:29:47 PM
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Now that I have the foam wing from Bob Hunt, and got it sheeted today, I figured I'd post what I have done. Right now, I have no complaints about construction, besides the planking on the first wing.
One thing I am going to have to do is add 1/2 inch to the bottom of fuselage so the landing gear will be able to still be fuse mounted and cut out former F-5 for a larger pipe tunnel.
Thanks Bob for cutting the foam wing. First time molding for me, and it won't be my last. #^
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Ok Matt....you framed up your Aries and posted all the pics of the build, then you painted and detailed it and posted all those pics. Now your starting in on this Oriental....Plus of course!.....and I have a bone to pick with you! You have no right building stuff at a craftsman level, and painting better than a guy (not me by the way, but a "friend" of mine) that has been building for more than 30 years! Now I want you to slow down, drip glue and paint all over the place, build a crooked fuse and generally ugly this build up a little!! Oh yeah....and get out there and learn how to crash properly like me.....I mean my "friend" and stop embarrassing me....I mean my "friend"!!
ps....did I tell you that the build is looking very nice? H^^
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Looks great, Matt. You seem to have taken to model building like a duck to water. You're a natural. Keep the pics comming, we really enjoy them. #^
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Matt; if you take to flying like you have building you will be an expert in no time. I just hope you don't burn your self out like some people I have known thru the years.
In fact one fellow I flew with was going to start in beginner untill I seem him fly. In that one day he was flying the whole pattern and flying better than I could. He also was building everything he could get his hands on. First contest he got first in Intermediate. After a year he moved up to Advance and was doing great. He was ready for Expert when he quit flying. Just wish I could get him back out as he could build and fly.
By the way did I tell you the construction looks great. DOC Holliday
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Doc,
I am up to advanced in competition and this will be my 3rd year in competition.
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Doc,
I am up to advanced in competition and this will be my 3rd year in competition.
Take advantage of being young. The younger flyers seem to advance at a faster rate, probably due to the fact that their reflexes are sharper and they still have really good vision. I'm not quite 40 but small things are starting to get fuzzy these days. Keep it up Matt.
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I am starting to get jealous of you kids. But, the good Lord has given me good health and let me do a lot of things. I just wish I had been born richer instead of so good Looking. LL~ LL~ LL~ I didn't realize Matt had advanced so fast. Same with you Clint. It helps a lot when you have people to fly with. DOC Holliday
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I am starting to get jealous of you kids. But, the good Lord has given me good health and let me do a lot of things. I just wish I had been born richer instead of so good Looking. LL~ LL~ LL~ I didn't realize Matt had advanced so fast. Same with you Clint. It helps a lot when you have people to fly with. DOC Holliday
I started flying in 2005. My first competition flight was Memorial Day weekend in 2007. I got booted up to intermediate at the next contest. My first meet in intermediate was in Flushing in 2008, I came in 4th. Next came Lee where I got booted to intermediate, and got a score of 543 only because one judge scored me in 38s and 39s, the other judge had me in the 480s. When I went to Lee again a month later, I flew with the advanced guys, and had second most of the day. Since I registered as an intermediate, I was able to fly for the Mass Cup. I improved 15 points from my best flight earlier in the day, 470 to a 485 and that flight would have won me advanced if I was flying in advanced since the top advanced flyer had a 480. Now I know my first contest I enter, I will be flying in advanced.
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Take advantage of being young. The younger flyers seem to advance at a faster rate, probably due to the fact that their reflexes are sharper and they still have really good vision. I'm not quite 40 but small things are starting to get fuzzy these days. Keep it up Matt.
Didn't look to fuzzy to me Clint. and your building and is not bad either. HB~> HB~> HB~> HB~> HB~> LL~
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Ok Matt....you framed up your Aries and posted all the pics of the build, then you painted and detailed it and posted all those pics. Now your starting in on this Oriental....Plus of course!.....and I have a bone to pick with you! You have no right building stuff at a craftsman level, and painting better than a guy (not me by the way, but a "friend" of mine) that has been building for more than 30 years! Now I want you to slow down, drip glue and paint all over the place, build a crooked fuse and generally ugly this build up a little!! Oh yeah....and get out there and learn how to crash properly like me.....I mean my "friend" and stop embarrassing me....I mean my "friend"!!
ps....did I tell you that the build is looking very nice? H^^
Ha...Ha...Ha!!! I guess you do have to stop embarressing yourself...I mean your friend, you might make them angry. ;D
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Well there really isn't anything new with this plane, but everything is done except the fuselage. Attached is a couple of pictures of the completed wing.
Edit: I just read through it, and there is something new. Instead of me originally powering it with an OPS 40, it is now going to be a PA 40UL
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Matt,
I also fly the Oriental Plus plus power is a Ro-Jett .40 on pipe. I fly with Dee Rice the designer of the OP, and a week ago I flew one that had a LA .46 for power and a carbon prop. I could not tell the difference between the Ro-Jett or LA .46. They have the same prop and seem to have the same amount of power. You are going to be very pleased in the performance of this plane you will find that it grooves very well. Little effort is necessary to make the airplane turn and corner. I highly recommend this plane. I'm currently building another for next year and will hopefully compete at the NATS with it.
Regards,
;D
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Hi Stephen,
My original plan was to compete at this year's Nats with this plane, but we decided to go Brodak instead, which meant I didn't have a deadline to finish this plane. I will finish constructing the fuselage as soon as I get the wing done on my Cobra, which could be a week or more.
With this plane I'm going to aim for a front row finish, because for one, I really like the paint scheme I came up with for it, there are solid surfaces on this plane, and I want to pursue it.
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Looking good Matt! Nice looking trim scheme RWB always looks good...
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thanks Dennis, I don't know what to do with the stab and elevator, because I'm not sure I want to copy the trim scheme on the wing, since that is a much smaller surface.
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Well, here's one idea - just doodled on your doodle a little. As long as your painting the back end red... and white is heavy anyways, you could reverse the wing scheme onto the stab and elev and eliminate the checkers to keep it simple. Or you could just do the whole tail red, find some of Kent Tysors Strega pics for inspiration along that line, his plane looks good that way with similar side view as you have drawn.
EricV
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Well, here's one idea - just doodled on your doodle a little. As long as your painting the back end red... and white is heavy anyways, you could reverse the wing scheme onto the stab and elev and eliminate the checkers to keep it simple. Or you could just do the whole tail red, find some of Kent Tysors Strega pics for inspiration along that line, his plane looks good that way with similar side view as you have drawn.
EricV
Thanks Eric, I'm leaning towards leaving the whole tail red, but don't forget, I still have to finish building the fuselage. But that is the paint scheme I am going to use, minus what I came up with for the tail.
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Hi guys,
I set the Cobra aside to work on the Oriental Plus. I now have the engine mounted in the fuselage, and glued the front nose block on. I have decided not to make a cowl for this plane, but instead extend the fuselage sides and make it look like a cowl. For one it is easier to do and the motor and pipe will get plenty of cooling.
Pics may come in the next two days so stay tuned
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Good idea Matt, I am going to do the same to the "Arctic Fox". Talked to Leo(the designer) yesterday and he agreed with me. Need to get it in the air as I now have the parts for the B-40. Have fun, DOC Holliday
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Good idea Matt, I am going to do the same to the "Arctic Fox". Talked to Leo(the designer) yesterday and he agreed with me. Need to get it in the air as I now have the parts for the B-40. Have fun, DOC Holliday
Thanks DOC,
After using blocks for the Ares I quickly came to dislike carving. I think this is almost like killing two birds with one stone, motor gets plenty of cooling, and it looks like a cowl on the profile
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Looking mighty good there Matt, keep it up!
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Today I put some clear on the flaps, stab, elevators, rudder, and wheelpants. I wrapped the planking on the top of the fuselage today, just need it to dry before I glue it on the fuse. Didn't shoot any pics, maybe tomorrow if I work on it.
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Looks like it's coming along well, Matt. Should be a good one for you.
One question for a picture toward the top. How are the leadouts attached to the bellcrank?
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Looks like it's coming along well, Matt. Should be a good one for you.
One question for a picture toward the top. How are the leadouts attached to the bellcrank?
Hi Randy,
The leadouts are attached the conventional way, copper wire, and saulder. The wire was drawn through the hole in the bellcrank and then wrapped with copper and sauldered.
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Sorry guys, no pics, been busy packing for a contest today, and the still camera is packed. Pics will come eventually.
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Always excuses, just kidding. LL~ LL~ Have fun at the contest and lool on the package of solder to see if I spell it right or not. Tell grandpa to have fun also. DOC Holliday
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I guess I'm kind of slow on building but I now have an update. I got the top of the fuselage shaped and is looking good. I need to fill some gouges from digging a little too much on the planer and this one low spot that came from me not wrapping the wood round.
I did take a pic of it, but can't post it since I'm at home and we went flying today (modeling this time ;D , but I wasn't too happy with my performance today, some low bottoms believe it or not, and popping up on some bottoms).
I'll see if I can post a pic tomorrow. H^^
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Matt,
I think that you are ready for very high placing at the NATS. You gotta aim for the NATS
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Just my humble opinion but I'd be using ball links and a shaft rather than a piece of wire for bellcrank to flap controls
(also ball links & shaft for flap to elevator). I 'm impressed with the rest of your build though.
Geno
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Well I can't post a pic today. Grandpa ditched me and went with grandma to go leaf peeping (hey I can't go over there ALL the time). Oh well
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Matt
Your building really good there! Make sure you do that paint scheme you designed
it is a sharp one. 20 pointer BH
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Matt
Your building really good there! Make sure you do that paint scheme you designed
it is a sharp one. 20 pointer BH
I'd love to have a 20 pointer, and i'm going to try for a really good finish with this plane. The whole tail is going to be red instead of the trim on the wings, I also got some details I'll make decals out of, secret stuff ;D
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Make sure it's a light finish too. :)
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Well it's starting to look like an airplane. Today I put the wing in the fuse, everything has silkspan on. I was going to put Carbon fiber on the fuse but we didn't have enough :P . All I need to do besides put everything together and put the controls in is to make the pipe tunnel. Since a 1 inch header doesn't clear a 6 ounce plastic sullivan tank, we have to put in a 1 1/4 inch header so the fuselage will be a little deeper than normal. We had to put the wing in first because grandpa is going to show me how to wrap 1/64 plywood into a semi-circle for a tunnel.
Oh and I still need to make the cowl.
Here is a pic (I know, finally) H^^
Edit: Now comes the part I like best in building an airplane, the finish!!!!!! #^
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Looking good Matt, H^^ now can I send you all my planes so they can be finished by you. LL~ LL~DOC Holliday
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Matt it's looking good here is a pic of mine thus far. I have not been able to work on it due to a broken foot.
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Looks good Stephen, today we are going to make up the pushrod and maybe get the stab in. But I need to measure the stab, inboard and outboard, that way I won't make the same mistake as I did with the Ares (outboard stab was longer than inboard, but then we lengthened the inboard, no wonder it flies so well!)
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Looking good Matt, H^^ now can I send you all my planes so they can be finished by you. LL~ LL~DOC Holliday
I wouldn't want to be handed that kind of pressure ;D
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Thanks Matt the wing in my new ship is compisite this will be the first compsite wing OP plus.
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That would be a first. I got my foam wing cut by Bob Hunt with the molded leading edge, so it should already fly good as long as I don't screw up and of the critical alignment.
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Just wondering how much does something like that cost? Just wondering.
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Honestly, I don't remember because I didn't pay for it ;D . Best to talk to Bob about it
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Last night, we made up the pushrod for the Oriental Plus. For anybody that is going to put in a Ball link for controls, you better grind out the bushing that is in the control horn before you put it in the plane. The reason you would need to grind it is because a 4-40 bolt is too thick to squeeze through one of RSM's horns with the bushing in it. The stab is at least mounted, but not glued in yet. Today, I may get the stab mounted.
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Thanks Matt the wing in my new ship is compisite this will be the first compsite wing OP plus.
Way to go Stephen! Is that wing using the new method Dee came up with? I saw a sample in his garrage. Thats gonna be a strong, light wing!
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Matt your are right and I even had to grind a little off of the ball joint as well.
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You are correct Richard. It's going to work great lite weight and very strong.....
I see many more of these wings in the future once I get some direction from Dee and see how he builds them first hand. Hopfully this will be my NATS plane for next year I'm hoping to go, but next year I will be traveling a lot for work we were awarded a big project in Kail Indonisia on Batam Island.... and very close to winning a project in Russia as well.....
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Matt your are right and I even had to grind a little off of the ball joint as well.
We never ground part of the ball joint off, but had to carve a sliver of the saulder off where the flap pushrod is.
Today, we got the stab mounted, and after spending about 20-30 minutes eyeballing the stab to see if was level, we finally got it right. And I started to make up the tail block, until I found out half of it had to be cut away for the rudder, and then I decided to stop since I had to get back home for dinner. Didn't get to shoot a pic since I had to get back and was busy today.
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Update: Made the pipe tunnel last night, and it was very easy to do with the 1/64 plywood method grandpa uses. He did get this idea from Vic Macaluso, who told him to make a tunnel this way, rather than building a box around the pipe.
I did take a couple pics but didn't have time to post them. Today, I may or may not get the landing gear mounted, or maybe even get the rudder mounted.
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We never ground part of the ball joint off, but had to carve a sliver of the saulder off where the flap pushrod is.
Today, we got the stab mounted, and after spending about 20-30 minutes eyeballing the stab to see if was level, we finally got it right. And I started to make up the tail block, until I found out half of it had to be cut away for the rudder, and then I decided to stop since I had to get back home for dinner. Didn't get to shoot a pic since I had to get back and was busy today.
What you took time for dinner? Oh the horors of it. I can remember Mom telling me if I didn't get to the table I would have a cold dinner. No micro wave back then. Keep having fun, DOC Holliday
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Matt can you post some pics of the pipe tunnel. That is very interesting idea.
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Matt can you post some pics of the pipe tunnel. That is very interesting idea.
Yeah, I'll try to post pics tomorrow, since once again, I had to get back home for dinner.
Today, we cut off the excess plywood, and now have a nice looking pipe tunnel. We spent about an hour thinking of ways to mount the landing gear because in order to clear a plastic tank, we had to go from a 1 inch header to a 1 1/4 inch header, and now the normal landing gear mount isn't any good. We thought of trying the chipmunk landing gear, but that wasn't any good, the normal landing gear is too narrow because we widened the fuselage for our original plan to power this plane with an OPS 40. We ended up deciding to use SV-11 landing gear from Vic Macaluso's SV-11. It has a wider stance and is wider where you mount the landing gear. I'm also going to use the fiberglass SV-11 wheelpants for this plane also, so it'll have an original twist to it.
I also got the tail block on and am somewhat ready to glue the rudder on.
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Ok here is a couple pics of the pipe tunnel, I'll provide more details when I get home after dinner but they should be pretty self explanitory
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Ok here is how I made the pipe tunnel. 1/64 plywood flexes very easily so you can wrap it around into a tunnel with very little trouble. We marked the length of the pipe tunnel, and cut the plywood. Then we just wrapped it around nothing, placed it in the fuselage and tack glued it in the front former and a piece of wood we glued on the wing. When the glue was dry, I ran Elmer's white glue where the plywood joins the fuselage sides, let it dry and cut the excess off. And there you go, a pipe tunnel. Grandpa got this idea from Vic Macaluso who passed it on to me.
Today we spent quite a while making up the landing gear platform, where we have a hole for the pipe and then 3/8 clearance from there up. Didn't get to mounting the gear yet since it actually took quite awhile.
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Hi Matt
Lookin real good !!!
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Looking good Matt , It should be a good flyer. D>K
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Ditto on the looking good. It is amazing how much time can be spent on something simple.
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Makes me wanna start building again!!!!! But im drowning in work and school HB~>
Any chance you'll be at Flushing next season ?
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Makes me wanna start building again!!!!! But im drowning in work and school HB~>
Any chance you'll be at Flushing next season ?
Hi Steve,
We may go to Flushing if the contest falls on the same weekend as the Jones Beach Air Show, which is how we went last year, but didn't go this year.
Hopefully the contest is on the same weekend as the airshow, then chances are we'd make a trip down there.
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Spent tonight working on the landing gear, aluminum shavings were all over my hands. Just trying to dress up this one bad spot, got it pretty good now. Also I watched, Beyond the Sea, the Bobby Darin story.
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Update: mounted the landing gear, cut the canopy and slid the rudder on and took some pictures. I'm at home now, so I can't post them unless Windy fowards them to me so I can post them.
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Keep pluggin away at it Matt! and keep those pix coming...
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On Saturday, I estimated the weight of the Oriental Plus and the mainframe weighs 27 ounces. Figure 8 ounces for the motor, another 3 for the header and pipe, 1 for the plastic tank, and ~2 ounces for the landing gear would put the weight of this airplane at...
41 ounces!!!!! That is with everything covered in silkspan (on the mainframe that is). Still need to do the fillets and make the cowl. I am so excited that the plane is that light, I would definitely be able to put a great finish on that airplane and not worry much about weight. I've been aiming for 48 ounces, and think 46 ounces is easily attainable!
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Ok New pics finally!!! Since these pictures were taken, I've made the tailwheel, and got the bottom together, the fillets are on, and I was starting to work on cockpit detailing yesterday.
I apologize for the pictures to be a bit on the blurry side, but it is the way it is.
Enjoy the pics H^^
Edit: I will be starting a new thread on the finishing of this airplane in the painting and finishing section since I'm not building really building the airplane anymore if you know what I mean
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Looking good!! Keep up the good work!!
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Looking good!! Keep up the good work!!
Thanks Stephen, any update on yours?
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I just returned working on it. I broke my foot so I have been down for quite a while. I will keep you posted on my progress.
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Looks good Matt, Very impressive building skills.
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Looks good Matt, Very impressive building skills.
Thanks Derek, still learning but I'm getting there!!