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Offline Brad B

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Oriental engine
« on: September 14, 2008, 04:44:24 PM »
I've got an Oriental kit and a spare Enya 30ss.  I think I read someplace that the oriental was designed for the fox 35.  The fox weighs 7oz. and the Enya 30ss weighs in at 6.9oz.  I may have found a way to power the Oriental without adding a lot of lead to the back.  What are your thoughts on this setup?  What prop should I start out with?  Should I run it with pressure?  I've never mounted these Enyas inverted, any things I should watch for?  Thanks, B

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Re: Oriental engine
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2008, 07:58:03 PM »
Actually, the steel cylinder and iron piston Fox 35 weighed 6.0 Ounces from its birth until its 50th (I think 50th) birthday, when the skimpy little muffler ears were redesigned into proper lugs that won't get torn off in a small fender bender of a bad landing.  I think that improvement raised its weight to 6.5 or 6.6 Ounces.  With an ABC cylinder and liner, the 50th Anniversary version did reach 7.0 Ounces, I believe. 

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Re: Oriental engine
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2008, 11:06:55 AM »
We are running our Orientals with Brodak .40's that weigh in about 7 ounces
with a tongue muffler. No extra weight at either end. 64 ft. lines. Fat 4cycle.
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Re: Oriental engine
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2008, 11:16:38 AM »
I would note that the original Dee Rice Oriental was designed specifically so that it could be built with the wing in various postions to allow for heavier or lighter engines. Perfectly legal in Classic. A local guy is using an OS 46LA in one and another has a 4 stroke engine. Dee approved both saying that that was the reason he orginally noted on the plans to move the wing forward for heavier engines.

BTW, the Brodak 40/Oriental combination is a killer. Works very well.
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Re: Oriental engine
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2008, 12:11:15 PM »
Wish I could say that about my ARF Oriental and Brodak 40 combo.  It started out great and has been going down hill ever since.  Even after a complete rebuild/refinish.  Have even rebuilt the control system.  DOC Holliday
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Re: Oriental engine
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2008, 12:25:43 PM »
I thought the B40 would be a great combination for it but, my B40 is in long term storage in the states.  That is where it will have to stay until we get orders back there.  I think just about everyone that sells them are out of them aren't they?  I was just trying to make do with what I have with me.  Unless someone will sell me theirs.    ;D  Thanks, B 

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Re: Oriental engine
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2008, 01:03:55 PM »
I dont know about Enyas 30, But I know that an OS 35 FP is good, low pitch say around an 11.5 x 4 or like in mine, an LA 46 with a 12.25 x 3.75 is totally an awesome combination,, (yeah I have the wing moved forward to compensate)
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Re: Oriental engine
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2008, 05:25:57 PM »
Glad to see that Randy and Mark got home from this weekend's contest at Chehelis/Centralia (Washington) Muni Airport.

OS .35S ABC would be a good choice, or a Brodak .40, or RM-40. The old McCoy .40 redhead would be cool if you didn't have noise issues at your flying site. If you run a Brodak .40, at least try the Thunder Tiger 11-4.5 prop. Nice quality piece, works for a lot of engines, and it's a bargain. Unless you just hate the light grey color, in which case, you can dye them with RIT dye. I think they'd work great on .40LA's, and I'm liking it on my Magnum XLS .36, as well. Try 'um and report back!  (051) Steve
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Re: Oriental engine
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 06:04:31 PM »
I've got an Oriental kit and a spare Enya 30ss.  I think I read someplace that the oriental was designed for the fox 35.  The fox weighs 7oz. and the Enya 30ss weighs in at 6.9oz.  I may have found a way to power the Oriental without adding a lot of lead to the back.  What are your thoughts on this setup?  What prop should I start out with?  Should I run it with pressure?  I've never mounted these Enyas inverted, any things I should watch for?  Thanks, B

I would not use any "pressure" other than muffler pressure, and that only with a Uniflow vented tank.  I would go along with the designer and adjust the wing location to suit different engines, rather than add weight to nose or tail.  My favorite stunt props for 35 and 40 engines have always been 11 inch medium width bladed (two bladed) props in 5 inch pitch, trimmed to 10 1/2 for a Fox 29 or 35, which is a classic style prop.  For a modern 35-40 engine, I keep the same diamerter, usually, and drop the pitch to 4 inches.
 
I overlooked (well, didn't try looking at) your current station.  It probably will be problematic getting an FP, but you should have access to OS LA engines, if the Enya doesn't work for you.  The only Oriental that I ever had was a profile bodied one, back in the early 1970's, before I heard that Dee & others built several profile Orientals themselves, before the article & plan was published.  Mine had an OS Max-S 35, no muffler, no spinner, film covering on the wing, and HobbyPoxy paint on the fuselage.  Very plain, utilitarian, even.  It weighed 42 Ounces, and flew practically off the paint rack (not much in the way of trim to do).

It flew very well even when the engine was set too rich (I had some leaking NVA problems and changed to a different non-OS one, maybe a K&B Universal, but it took awhile to dial the setting in after that).  If I could fly a pattern (maybe not a great one, given my unfamiliarity with a really slow pattern) with a 35 turning a steady four-cycle everywhere except straight overhead, or close to it, I imagine it would fly well enough on a variety of lesser powered engines (not to say I think that Enya's 30 actually is less strong, but just that I got by flying nicely enough with acceptable line tension (not great, because it was probably the slowest I'd ever flown any pattern), on far less than full power, so I think the design is very flexible about engines. 

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Re: Oriental engine
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2008, 10:59:43 PM »

I use APC 10.5x4.5 on my Enya SS30 with the stock venturi, no muffler pressure. If you need more power, Enya makes a bigger venturi. The original muffler works very well too, change to a tongue muffler only if you really need to balance CG.

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Re: Oriental engine
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2008, 11:06:04 PM »

FWIW,  Enya SS30 uses the same muffler bolt spacing as  OS 35/40FP OS 40/46LA

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