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Title: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Paul Taylor on January 05, 2018, 06:28:06 PM
I saw this on facebook book and was under OT RC but this looks more like a OT CL plane. I don't see any leadouts so maybe is RC.
Any one know?
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Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: wwwarbird on January 05, 2018, 06:33:02 PM
 There's no leadouts showing because the inboard wing is gone and the photo is looking at the bottom of the airplane. There's a line reel in the guys left hand too. Hard to tell, but looking at the stab/elevator outline I'm gonna say it's what's left of a Zilch?

 Also, I don't think we'd be struggling with most contest attendances like we do if there were still gals like that hanging around!  ;D
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Mike Keville on January 05, 2018, 06:44:13 PM
Plymouth Internationals, Detroit - 1950s.  Lil' Duper Zilch entry in Combat?
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Larry Fernandez on January 05, 2018, 09:11:29 PM
There's no leadouts showing because the inboard wing is gone and the photo is looking at the bottom of the airplane. There's a line reel in the guys left hand too. Hard to tell, but looking at the stab/elevator outline I'm gonna say it's what's left of a Zilch?

 I believe that it’s the outboard wing that is missing.
If you look closely at the rudder, you’ll see that it is offset for clockwise flight.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: wwwarbird on January 05, 2018, 09:19:26 PM

 Yep, a closer look says Larry's right, it's the outboard wing that's toast.
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Doug Moisuk on January 05, 2018, 10:29:07 PM
And you guys are examining the airplane? What airplane.
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Frank Imbriaco on January 06, 2018, 04:26:49 AM
They sure made them cute back then. I like 'em without ink and no piercing.   #^
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Steve Lotz on January 06, 2018, 04:57:29 AM
That is absolutely a Zilch. Looks kinda big for a Li'l Duper-I'm gonna say it's a Super Duper Zilch.
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: peabody on January 06, 2018, 05:39:18 AM
Hanging in Rich Giacobone's basement are a pair of vintage combat planes....one flew clockwise (Rich) and the other counterclockwise (Gene Martine)....apparently it was fine then whichever way you flew....

Have fun!
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Tim Chenevert on January 06, 2018, 05:44:38 AM
What plane? Lol  Tim
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Craig Beswick on January 06, 2018, 07:21:34 AM
You guys absolutely certain it is control line?
I'm only a novice but it is an engine in his left hand certainly not a line reel.
If it is set up for clockwise rotation then isn't the inboard wing the one that is not damaged? I can't see any lines coming out of it.
Either way the girls are cute!
Craig
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Andre Ming on January 06, 2018, 07:54:07 AM
Is that a bellcrank hanging out of the hole on the underside of the wing, where the fuse is split?

Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Dave_Trible on January 06, 2018, 08:29:42 AM
Definitely CL,  Zilch I'd agree.  RC planes of that day were largely single channel and looked more like an old time free flight airplane- bigger and with high wing and dihedral.  Yeah the airplane looks interesting too I guess.  Maybe I'll look at it in a minute.

Dave
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Gerald Arana on January 06, 2018, 08:35:46 AM
They sure made them cute back then. I like 'em without ink and no piercing.   #^


Ditto!  LL~

Jerry
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Gerald Arana on January 06, 2018, 08:42:31 AM
You guys absolutely certain it is control line?
I'm only a novice but it is an engine in his left hand certainly not a line reel.
If it is set up for clockwise rotation then isn't the inboard wing the one that is not damaged? I can't see any lines coming out of it.
Either way the girls are cute!
Craig


Craig, Do you fly RC? A ship with NO ailerons or dihedral will not turn with rudder only. It will yaw and go straight........into the ground. Don't ask me how I know.

Jerry
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Roger Vizioli on January 06, 2018, 08:53:51 AM
Some more info to add to the questions/discussion:
  I competed , as a Junior, at the "5th International Model Plane contest" in Detroit. Pic is at the Plymouth Internationals (5th) , Detroit, Summer 1953.
   My T shirt was the same as shown in pic., watched G. Aldrich fly and L. Andrews (RC Trixter Beam) fly
   so, if my mind is still working after xx years- re the pic.
      The plane, if a Zilch, is shown right side up, see triangular shaped turtle deck aft of cockpit, also shows some light colored trim aft of cockpit area which matches that shown on "removed" wing.   
comment re rudder offset supports this thought.
      Still cant locate lead outs or bellcrank.
 
      And yes!       Yes,  there were many pretty young "girls" everywhere. :-)

     
     
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Gordon Van Tighem on January 06, 2018, 10:34:11 AM
https://youtu.be/SmB42jsImj8

Interesting background video of the second Plymouth International. His shirt identifies the picture as from the fifth.
G
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: john e. holliday on January 06, 2018, 11:03:57 AM
Hey we still have cuties at contests around that look like that.   And that has to be a control line plane.  Radio control wasn't advance enough to fly a plane like that.  Now about the young ladies,  great to look at but else are they good for? LL~ LL~ LL~

By the way does any body recognize the young man? D>K
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: don boka on January 06, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
Does anybody remember Theresa Grish from the Grish propeller clan?
Good looking girl but a bit older than me.
Could be wrong but I think they were the Tornado prop family.
Don Boka.
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Ara Dedekian on January 06, 2018, 11:47:09 AM



        I see a pushrod still attached to the elevator where the control horn would be. It's curved out to the 2nd rib from the fuselage, under the intact wing. I'm guessing that's where the bellcrank and leadouts are, hidden from the camera.

        Ara
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: Tony Drago on January 06, 2018, 01:34:39 PM
 
 Ara.
You are correct. I magnified  the picture up 1000. In the pilots left hand is what's left of the engine and the front of the fuse.
 Also looks like it was being flown clock wise
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: wwwarbird on January 06, 2018, 09:07:28 PM

 I magnified  the picture up 1000. In the pilots left hand is what's left of the engine and the front of the fuse.


 OOPS, mistaken again here. Zooming in even more that is definitely an engine and not a line reel. Them purty gals must be distracting me.  ;D
Title: Re: Old Photo from maybe 50s or 60s?
Post by: FLOYD CARTER on January 07, 2018, 02:40:25 PM
It was quite common for the Zilch to shed a wing in flight.  The balsa spars in the center of the airfoil gave not much strength.  After my first SD Zilch lost a wing, I built another using hardwood spars.