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Old modeling photos
« on: November 29, 2010, 05:39:43 PM »
Hi all:

A thread that was started on this forum last week about Larry Scarinzi’s Grey Ghost. I happened to have an old photo that was taken for the article on that ship that appeared in Flying Models magazine around 1959 or 1960. I also posted a photo of Larry adjusting the needle valve on his Gay Devil, while his wife, Ginger held the ship. That model was the one that Larry built just before the Grey Ghost, and it appeared in the American Modeler in 1958 (October or November issue as memory serves). My dad took that photo.

Anyway, many seemed to like these old photos and so I posted a bunch more that my dad had taken in the early 1950s. Dad was a professional photographer on the side in those days to help make ends meet. He shot weddings and such during the “War Years” part time and was the Chief Trouble Shooter for Eastern Aircraft during the day (He did a lot of the engineering on the FM2 Wildcat!). After the war he still did a lot of photography for fun and I remember being in the darkroom with him for hours as he processed film and made prints.

After dad passed away in 2001, I inherited all his prints and negs. I am going to try to scan a few here and there and post them here. I’ll re-post the ones that were on the Grey Ghost thread in case any of you missed those. I don’t know who the people are in many of these photos, so if you can help identify some of them, that would be fun! Several people commented to me on the Grey Ghost thread that they liked these old photos. Hey, I like them too! It shows where we came from in this hobby.

I’d like to extend an invitation for anyone with old model oriented photos to post them on this thread. It will be fun to see what gets posted.

I’ll start with photos that have people in them that I can identify and then I’ll do a post (maybe several) that have people depicted that I cannot identify. I’ll try to scan a few photos a week and post them on this thread. I’ll also try to find a way to scan my dad’s old negatives. There are hundreds of these and many of them are of models or modelers with their models.
  
So, here goes the first batch:

The first two are of Larry Scarinzi; one with the Grey Ghost and one with the Gay Devil.

The next three are of the first model aircraft carrier and these were taken at the 1953 Nats in Willow Grove as I remember. The gentleman walking towards the carrier deck, in the first of these three photos, is none other than legendary modeler, S, Calhoun Smith; or as many knew him, Cal Smith!  That’s also Cal starting his carrier model on the deck in one of the photos. Cal was a major force in getting the Navy Carrier event started as I recall.

The next two are of my dad’s plane that he called the flying erector set.

The last one for this post is my brother, Jimmy (now 72 year old!) holding my dad’s Travel Air bipe. That model was published in the December 1952 issue of Model Airplane News, making it OTS legal! In fact, John Callentine built an outstanding example of it for VSC a few years back.

Enjoy there and then get out your old scrapbooks and scan some of your own in and share them.

Bob Hunt
  

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Re: Old modeling photos
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2010, 05:57:10 PM »
Bob.
Great photos. Note the size of the crowd of spectators watching the Willow Grove Carrier activities!
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Re: Old modeling photos
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2010, 08:20:31 PM »
Hi Bob,

  Don't know if you are aware-  but Walt " Pit" Petrillo passed away this year. A real character.
 When I was kid in the  UMAC club, guys told  me that Walt would eat and eat , especially at the club picnic and Xmas Party, so he got the nickname"Pit"  because of his " bottomless pit".

Guess they were pulling my leg cause it's easy to see the origin  of his nickname.

Scarinzi looks the same, eh?

Interesting photos.

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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 09:04:42 PM »
 VERY COOL STUFF BOB! A little before my time, but this is from my personal favorite era(s) of our hobby. I just can't ever get enough of these types of photos, there are so many cool models from back in those days that I wish I could have seen in person. Look at the crowds in the backgrounds too, it's too bad, but I'm afraid we'll never see that again. Thanks for sharing, I'll be keeping my eyes open for more of these. y1
Narrowly averting disaster since 1964! 

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Re: Old modeling photos
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2010, 07:57:20 AM »
And now some famous places...

This one not PLACES, but LS and Dawn Camillo, another hot combat pilot of the North east.

(Darn, I put up 4 pix and only the last one got included)


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Re: Old modeling photos
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2010, 08:06:00 AM »
Try Again..

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Red Rheinhardt with Stuntwing @ Far Hils, NJ Labor Day contest abt. 1955

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Re: Old modeling photos
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2010, 05:55:56 PM »
Bob
Is the El Diablo a Dale Kern design?  It has looks similar to the Belfray Bound (sic) that Dale designed.  Also I notice that several of the AMA numbers are five digits.  When did four digit numbers give way to five, I only ask that because I have a five digit number I got in the early seventies.
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2010, 06:38:16 PM »
Andrew,
The El Diablo was Red Reinhardt's original design published in Model Airplane News in March 1952. There were several built and Bob can fill in the details on some of these. I don't know when Dale built the Belfray Bound.

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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2010, 06:55:43 PM »
 I've got that very photo of Red and the El Diablo hanging in my shop. It's a really cool period photo of two of the greats. It was the inspiration for my designing and building my Norvel .061 powered L'il Diablo version.
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Re: Old modeling photos
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2010, 08:43:32 PM »
Try Again..

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Red Rheinhardt with Stuntwing @ Far Hils, NJ Labor Day contest abt. 1955


Hi Ward,
I was a UMACer in the sixties and would love to receive a printable   copy of the Memorial Day Flyer from you if you would be so kind to send one.
I used to look forward to that day almost as much as Christmas Day.
BTW, Dawn Cosmillo's "combat opponent " in that photo at Rich's Hobbytowne is Don Shulman( Leon's son). He and Dawn were an item back then. Pretty sure that  Larry  didn't let her take the handle though...

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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2010, 08:52:03 PM »
Okay, this is my dad.  Jim Berry.  A lot of folks see this picture and say he looks like Clark Gable.  Whatever.  They see a pic of me, and say I look like Dolly Parton or Jamie Lee Curtis.  I don't mind.

My dad flew with the likes of Johnny Casburn, Charlie Fikes, a guy named Dwane, Bob Lauderdale, and a few other chumps from the deep south.  Shreveport, Huntsville AL.  1960-1966?  Dunno.  My brother Rusty flew in the 1964 Nats, I think.  A Miss Behave, perhaps.  Dallas?  Took a bus.  Was a big deal.  Wouldn't allow that sort of thing these days.  Somebody from the gov't would want to touch his junk.  Or confiscate his fuel.

Anyway.  I gots a few old pics.  None of them are as famous as are I, however.  Alas, I promote myself.  As a handsome dude that can manage a square eight after a night of debauchery and two Chinese restaurants in two hours, I like to think I are special.  Hey, it works for me and the guy that hits me for $100 an hour.  Cross a Chinese restaurant with a German one, and two hours later you're hungry for power.

My old man...  My dad.  Been gone since 1971.  I still have more than a bit of his junk.  Truth be known, I shouldn't have run Missle Mist in everything.

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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2010, 09:12:46 PM »
Bob,

What a great collection of old photos, thanks for posting them!!!
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Re: Old modeling photos
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 10:40:18 AM »
All our heroes from our youth are getting to the age when they will soon be just a memory. Let's make a vow to cherish them and let them know how much they mean to us while they are still with us.

Peace - Bob

Morn. Bob
I talked with our gifted modeling friend...George Lieb yesterday afternoon. As we know...George at his age of a very young 79 years old is truly a walkin n talkin Encylopedist with a brain that is filled to over-flowing with vivid memories and stories about these good old daze days when all of us were "in knee pants n diapers"
He talked about sooooo many folks who have crossed over....and especially his admiration for you and your father..(telling so many personal stories about how you "kiddies" used to help with his host of amazing projects.)

Talk turned to folks like Red Reinhart....(I too couldn't build that El Diablo "The Devil" model of Reinhartfast enough waaay back in 1952 in my S.E.DesMoines Iowa basement laundry room.)

I flew that model...in the vacant lot for about 2 weeks..driving the neighbors on both sides nuttsoo' with the noise...until the lines let go and crashed into the milkman's old panel truck that was parked on the street.
My beloved Southern Baptist Grandmother Mary told me...that because of the  EL Diablo name of that model airplane...it had to be CURSED and caused all that cracked window on the milk van.
The milkman was very nice about the accident and didn't seem upset at all.... (humm? He told me that my mother had already paid him for the damage?)
George and I talked about sooooooooooo many things gone and passed by in our lives.
 WOW! BOB!
Bob...The great and amazing thing about this thread that you started here on SH is that to old toots like me, (with both long and short term memory loss etc) is that after reading and seeing these vintage photos and stories....and talking with fellow addicted old model kootoots' about memories that were virtually buried and forgotten, somehow become fresh and new again.

My mother was a High School Science & History teacher and a serious history buff who strongly believed that one of the most  important task we as human beings is to record and pay forward our life experiences to the next generations. She continued to stress that "HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF" and life lessons learned must be payed forward to the next generation AND BELIEVED STRONGLY THAT ANY PERSON OR NATION WHO DOESN'T TAKE HISTORY LESSONS SERIOUSLY IS "IN A HEAP OF HURT!""HEY ROBIN!" This photo I found on Google this morning....was HISTORY IN THE MAKING? :)

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 11:44:21 AM »
Don,  did you mean "TAKE HISTORY LESSONS SERIOUSLY"? ;D It was George Santayana that said "those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it"!
and our leaders repeat history on a regular basis!  Love all these old photos, got loads of 'em somewhere, I will try and post them.

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2010, 11:55:20 AM »
Good thing I resurrected that Grey Ghost thread ...  :)

I don't have any old pics myself, but anyone who likes the look of FAI Team Racers from times before they all went for flying wings should visit:

http://faiclsocal.info/indexf2c.htm
and
http://clamf.aerosports.net.au/categories/racing/ClassicFAI/ClassicFAI-Articles.htm
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2010, 01:01:04 PM »
Another photo from the 54 / 55 Far hills meet. Photo is damaged at the nose of Larry's plane but could this be the "Sky Devil"? predecessor of the "Gay Devil" This one had a square box fuselage, (No turtle deck) finished with dyed red clear showing the wood grain, etc. Was GORGEOUS! Note there is another one off to the right with a "BirdPlane" wing. We discovered girls kerchiefs were Japanese Silk and 89c each. Planes started showing up with birds, flowers and all manner of Japanese decor! Straight behind Larry's main plane is a small All American with no doubt a Burnt Black Fox .35 that was most likely used by Pat Carroll in combat. The "Hook" rudder gives it away! 
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2010, 02:20:33 PM »
Bob,
 You know I'm just eaten this stuff up! I keep forwarding these shots to my father as they're posted. Hoping he would recognize someone. keep them coming!
   We had a club historian with albums of photos from the memorial day meet over the years.......
I would love to get a hold of them!

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2010, 02:55:03 PM »
The "Mister Completely" design looks really cool ... I can see from the picture that it has the same wing beam structure as the Grey Ghost!

Does anyone know if this one was ever published?

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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2010, 03:42:33 PM »
Don,  did you mean "TAKE HISTORY LESSONS SERIOUSLY"? ;D It was George Santayana that said "those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it"!
and our leaders repeat history on a regular basis!  Love all these old photos, got loads of 'em somewhere, I will try and post them.

Cheers

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Must be those damaged peabrain cells acting up again.."SERIOUSLY"! n~
Looking forward to seeing those old photos..POP em' under the scanner, when you can-can'
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2010, 01:14:04 AM »
 ;D I got a batch of B&Ws from the late 50s and early 60s.....gimme a bit. From my father and his early modeling ventures. I was just 4 in '66 but was also "hooked"! For years I bled our old mags dry....I still love the look of the 50s stuff....and 60s of course.....a facinating time for me anyhow. Love it.

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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2010, 07:48:54 AM »
Ward   in your last picture  the All American in the back left corner I believe belonged to Paul McLean from Binghamton NY. In the Photo of Red sitting on the ground and holding the wing the very much modified AAsr at his left arm is mine or Jerry Hickey's also from Binghamton NY. It was a three or four hour drive from Bingo. I have a picture of my Gay Devil and will look it up and scan it today. The Gay Devil had a tapered wing.
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2010, 09:52:09 AM »
Bob,

I like the grass stains on your jeans in the Nobler pic.   ;D
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2010, 11:05:24 AM »
Rebecca holding the my rebuilt SKY Devil. Picture taken 20+ years ago. I built this plane in the early 60's and crashed it in 1967-68.  ~^ It sat in pieces until around 1979 and I rebuilt it as it is seen here. Notice the old wooden hub wheels. It had a K&B 32 in it back in the day. I talked to Larry in 2000 at a NJ contest and he remembered it as it looked just like his. I copied his from a picture I took of it in 1958.
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 Just added another picture of Rebecca back in the 60's holding my Smoothie at Port Crane NY. I think this was just after I returned from a contest in Buffalo NY.
added 12/9/2010 Ed
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2010, 11:06:18 AM »
Bob,

I think I heard or read that your Dad formed the aluminum cowl for Red's Galloping Comedian...true?

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2010, 11:18:59 AM »
Just noticed the lettering on the left wing panel.
Cool photos...gang!
Gads..
We could do a whole book on folks like Bob's amazing DAD and RED R!
Keep this thread goin' gang! Simply beautiful stories and old photos!
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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2010, 03:15:41 PM »
Yes, my father did spin the cowl for the Galloping Comedian. That cowl spinning buck was one of his prized possesions. I presented it to John Brodak when my father passed. He knew that John liked that piece and because of the kind way in which John treated my dad in his last years I just though he should have it.

Dan Banjock has lately learned the art and magic of cowl spinning and he gave me one of his GC cowls recently. It should never be put on a model airplane; it should be encased in glass and put on display as a piece of artwork! It is perfect in every respect and Dan is an artist.

Don: I love your photo tribute to Red...  y1

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The first time I saw that El Diablo in that magazine...I just had to have it ready for the upcoming control line contest in Ames Iowa.
While I was on the phone with George....He mentioned that he tried never to miss that great old Iowa contest.
Amazing that I never got to meet him until the early 60's when he was stationed at McCord's underground  military aircraft logistics center where they kept a keen eye peeled on our nations airspace.
George managed to give me a tour of that AWESOME FACILITY after I had my commanding officer send a letter to confirm my National Net Control security Guard stats. (Ode to the cold war daze-days!
attached is a favorite old photo of the late Jack Leffler, who was not only an airline pilot and a master display model maker but Jack was also responsible for finding and flying that old Boeing 247 aircraft that was left to rust n' rot.
Performed a quickeee patch job and then bravely flew it down to Seattle with the gears locked in the down position...
with a bare minimummmmmm' amount of fuel...
and after much smooooze and gather of $$$$ from the rich folks of aviation, managed to live long enough to see that beautiful old Boeing airliner fully restored to live again.
Here he is holding one of his favorite display model.

Waaay back in 1970's....
Jack Leffler was neighbor of mine when we lived in DesMoines. He heard me breaking in one of my old engines in the backyard and within minutes...he and his family after that, were long time friends until he passed this life all too soon.
Even put a good word into Boeing for me...when I bailed out of the photo processing industry.
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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2010, 06:42:03 PM »
[snip]
attached is a favorite old photo of the late Jack Leffler, who was not only an airline pilot and a master display model maker but Jack was also responsible for finding and flying that old Boeing 247 aircraft that was left to rot in Alaska...

Performed a quickeee patch job and then bravely flew it down to Seattle with the gears locked in the down position...
with a bare minimummmmmm' amount of fuel...
and after much smooooze and gather of $$$$ from the rich folks of aviation, managed to live long enough to see that beautiful old Boeing airliner fully restored to live again.
Here he is holding one of his favorite display model.

Waaay back in 1970....

Jack Leffler was neighbor of mine when we lived in DesMoines. He heard me breaking in one of my old engines in the backyard and within minutes...he and his family after that, were long time friends until he passed this life all too soon.
Even put a good word into Boeing for me...when I bailed out of the photo processing industry.

Wow, Schultzie.  This is just too wierd!

When I was a tiny guy (pre kindergarten) Jack Leffler and my Dad bought several war surplus PT-26s together in the crates hoping to assemble them and get rich selling them off.  The assembly part worked out but the "getting rich" part wasn't quite as successful.  My Dad kept one of them (all silver with the red nose and stripe down the side) which we all called "Red Nose" for the obvious reasons.  Big brother Gary and I flew most of our early childhood hours strapped together in the back seat with the sliding canopy closed (for obvious reasons) although Dad often kept his open for ventilation.

Later, when my Dad bought the old Smith Aviation on the Renton airport and renamed it Renton Aviation Jack eventually brought his Bonanza (IIRC) and rented a hangar to keep it in from my Dad.  Jack (an incredible and incurable raconteur and story teller) spent endless days sitting around R.A. entertaining folks when he wasn't out flying the Bonanza or an airliner for UAL. 

I do have to argue just a bit about the B-247's origins.  My recollection is that he flew down to Bakersfield, CA where the airplane had been "aging" in a field after a stretch as a crop duster in the valley.  You are absolutely correct about the gear being welded in place.  In addition, the tail wheel wouldn't swivel (don't remember exactly why whether it had been welded or was just rusted together).  The cool part of the story was that he flew the ship from Bakersfield to the Renton Airport where he wheel landed, kept the speed up enough to keep the tail in the air and taxied to the ramp in front of Renton Aviation where he gunned the right engine, stood on the left brake, twirled it around and set the tail down neat as a pin!  (told you he was a character...and a showboat!)  I think this had to have been around 1960 or so because Shareen remembers being there when he came in and we had started dating when I was a Junior in High School.  It was, as you can imagine, a big event and there was quite a crowd around to witness Dave's "showmanship".

The coolest part for this kid was that when Jack flew the 247 over to Boeing Field I got to ride along and actually "flew it' for about 30 seconds as did a number of other intrepid tag-a-longers. What a kick that was.  For those that don't know, that airplane is now a prime exhibit (better than new) at the Boeing Museum on KBFI.  (Although I vaguely recall somebody mentioning it had an accident of some sort at one time.  I'm unsure if it is still on display????)

Jack and my Dad also did some fun airshow flying together during some of the annual Renton Chamber of Commerce type celebrations that happened every year.  I remember my Dad always had all the new model Cessnas on display and even taxied them down Rainier Ave. one year to display them in downtown Renton.  I remember he and Jack did the "drunken non-pilot" (Dad) steals a cub and takes off with it while the guy that flew the Cub in (Jack) took off after him in another plane (probably another Cub) and they chased each other around the field doing crazy stuff  as they  played their way down the runway" bit.  Always a big hit!

When I started flying for United Shareen and I quickly moved down to San Fran and I didn't see as much of Jack any more.  He did start flying 747s out of SF late in his career and we would occasionally get together in ops and reminisce about the fun years in the Northwest.  When Jack retired from United he was #1 on the pilot seniority list and beloved by every pilot that ever flew with him.  That's a pretty rare accomplishment for a guy with the proverbial "Captain born with the silver spoon in his mouth" weight to carry on his shoulders.

One last Jack item.  He was also an avid photographer and took and published some of the most dramatic and widely disseminated airborne pictures of Mount St. Helens erupting. By  that time my Dad was retired  from fllying, living near Ellensburg and raising and showing cutting horses.  Little did Jack know that some of the picttures he took which included Yakima could have shown my father struggling through falling ash trying to "get outta town" while the getting was good.

Sorry to run off at the mouth.  That picture of Jack just started the mental kine scope running in my head.  Lots of wonderful airplane memories.

Ted

p.s. I assume you meant you lived by Jack in Des Moines, WA; not Iowa.  Right?

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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2010, 10:38:53 PM »
You are perhaps right about Jack finding that 247 in another part of the country...I do recall that info about the tail wheel...and how they flew it over the Seattle area for the Boeing photo group could take pictures.

Yes...I flew often with Jack...ON HIS SKY EYE PHOTOGRAPHY missions over Puget Sound....

He would hang out and shoot those amazing shots of sail boat  while I kept my eyeballs peeled for other aircraft etc.
and his INTREPID SAIL BOAT PHOTOS and collections that  were hung at Anthony's in DesMoines stair and hallways...PHOTOS WERE SOLD ALL OVER THE WORLD...

REMEMBER HIS SHOT IN THE NEWSPAPERS OF MT. ST. HELENS. That was perhaps his most famous shot that will last forever.
In those days Jack would leave his film with me to take to MIRROCOLOR Mirrorlike professional labs for processing and enlargements....
Jack would often would wake us  up as he would ring the door bell with a jug of coffee, along with breakfast rolls.
We spent lots of time in his workshop...going over bunches and bunches of proofs, negatives and working with his beautiful little collection of display scale models.

My wife Carol and his wife Helen were pretty close. Carol and I lived just a couple of blocks away from his amazingly beautiful cliff side home.
After I  changed my photography career...I started working at the Boeing wind tunnel...moved away to Auburn and then here to Gig Harbor.
Sadly Jacks health slipped away so quickly...and wish that I hadn't spent so much overtime and model trips to tunnels all over the country so that I could have been there for him during those last years.
His love for ANY THING THAT HATH WINGS WAS LEGENDARY and he truly made this world a better place.
We would get Christmas cards every year...until his passed and not a Christmas goes by without thinking about  Jack and The Leffler clan.
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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2010, 10:49:16 PM »
What's impressive are the background shots - Real crowds, Real trophies and guys in suit and ties.  :) What an era!
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« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2010, 08:26:29 AM »
And that is back in the day of only 1st thru 3rd place.   H^^
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« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2010, 09:01:00 AM »
Ten points each for Eddie and Bubba for identifying the real Sky Devil. Guess the name was still in the mind, but not the airplane! But, this still leaves the plane in my photo unidentified...once again.

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« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2010, 09:03:48 AM »
You are perhaps right about Jack finding that 247 in another part of the country...I do recall that info about the tail wheel...and how they flew it over the Seattle area for the Boeing photo group could take pictures.

Yes...I flew often with Jack...ON HIS SKY EYE PHOTOGRAPHY missions over Puget Sound....

He would hang out and shoot those amazing shots of sail boat  while I kept my eyeballs peeled for other aircraft etc.
and his INTREPID SAIL BOAT PHOTOS and collections that  were hung at Anthony's in DesMoines stair and hallways...PHOTOS WERE SOLD ALL OVER THE WORLD...

My favorite Leffler photo of all time was one of a sailboat pushing slowly through the fog in Puget Sound with a Nuclear Submarine, shrouded in mist, passing left to right beyond it.  It hung in the United Flight Office at SeaTac for years.  I've no idea if it is still there.

REMEMBER HIS SHOT IN THE NEWSPAPERS OF MT. ST. HELENS. That was perhaps his most famous shot that will last forever.
In those days Jack would leave his film with me to take to MIRROCOLOR Mirrorlike professional labs for processing and enlargements....
Jack would often would wake us  up as he would ring the door bell with a jug of coffee, along with breakfast rolls.
We spent lots of time in his workshop...going over bunches and bunches of proofs, negatives and working with his beautiful little collection of display scale models.

My wife Carol and his wife were pretty close. Carol and I lived just a couple of blocks away from his amazingly beautiful cliff side home.
After I  changed my photography career...I started working at the Boeing wind tunnel...moved away to Auburn and then here to Gig Harbor.
Sadly Jacks health slipped away so quickly...and wish that I hadn't spent so much overtime and model trips to tunnels all over the country so that I could have been there for him during those last years.

Alas, the last time I saw Jack was in a crew bus from operations to the terminal in SFO shortly before he retired.  Never skinny, Jack was by then very, very heavy and I can remember hearing him breathe deeply from having lugged his suitcase and flight bag into the bus.  It was one of those moments when, as a comparatively young man, you come to grips with your mortality and swear to take better care of the vessel God provided you...a feat which continues to outpace my best efforts.  Despite the respiratory interruptions, Jack continued to hold court all the way to the terminal.  He was quite a guy.

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We would get Christmas cards every year...until his passed and not a Christmas goes by without thinking about  Jack and The Leffler clan.

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« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2010, 11:13:27 AM »
Ward the AMA # looks like 3089, Larry's number was 9099. I was only 13-14 years old so my building was not very good.Most of my planes lasted maybe a month.
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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2010, 09:34:56 PM »
 Pardon the interruption, but that Leffler/Puget Sound sub/sailboat photo sounds really interesting. I did a little Googling but came up with nothing. Any ideas on how a guy can get a look at that picture?
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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2010, 11:53:22 PM »
Pardon the interruption, but that Leffler/Puget Sound sub/sailboat photo sounds really interesting. I did a little Googling but came up with nothing. Any ideas on how a guy can get a look at that picture?

Warbird,

Haven't come up with anything on the photo yet.  Not sure I will be able to.  I did get the following link which tells about the 247.  The last paragraph talks about Jack (and Ray Pepka, who was an aerial photographer who flew out of my Dad's FBO) picking up the airplane in Bakersfield and flying it back to Renton Aviation on the Renton airport.  Turns out the date was actually March of 1966 which was just a few months before Shareen and I moved down to San Fran.

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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2010, 10:17:57 AM »
Let's try???????? SKY EYE PHOTOGRAPHY?

Even perhaps.... World Cup 12 meter sailboat photos...Swiftsure sailboat...
Mt. St. Helens eruption photos...etc

Sad to hear that his photo collections are not available on the internet.
I'll try to dig out so more info...perhaps even the Seattle Times or PI newspaper archives?

They ran a Sunday Parade section years ago about his photography when the World Cup 12 meter sailboat races were staged here in the Seattle area.

I will  also try to contact the Leffler family, Helen and Mike later today for more info.
 (From my old  Des Moines Phamacy friend) I hear that Helen still lives in the DesMoines area?
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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2010, 01:26:22 PM »
I enjoy these old modeling pics immensely. However I also find them somewhat sad. I look at the youth in these pictures who had a sense of pride in how they dressed back in those days and then I look at a lot of the younger guys and how they dress today. Embarrassing to say the least. Looks like they're walking around with a 75 lb. turd in their pants. Might be the "style" but it sure looks stupid.
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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2010, 07:01:19 PM »
That is why they are called the "Y" generation.   LL~ LL~
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« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2010, 06:19:49 PM »
Bob, can you date the Erector Set?  If it is old time legal it looks right to fly well, and no flaps. Also no one else would have one. A guy could guess the measurements, and with me flying, a protest would be unlikely.  I won't win anything. It would be a fun project.
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« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2010, 11:56:08 AM »
Warbird,

Haven't come up with anything on the photo yet.  Not sure I will be able to.  I did get the following link which tells about the 247.  The last paragraph talks about Jack (and Ray Pepka, who was an aerial photographer who flew out of my Dad's FBO) picking up the airplane in Bakersfield and flying it back to Renton Aviation on the Renton airport.  Turns out the date was actually March of 1966 which was just a few months before Shareen and I moved down to San Fran.

Ted

http://www.456fis.org/BOEING_247.htm

Last night I received a call from Jack's son Bob Lefler. We talked for about an hour about his amazing father...Captain Jack Lefler.
 He shared many stories about his Dad and his love for not only his photography but also his many quests and addiction in gleaning old airplanes for restoration.

 Jack found that rotting  old hulk Boeing 80-A  in Alaska..bought it with his own money and after soooo many hassles with not only United Airlines but also the Boeing Company who in those lean daze..which cost a HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME AND $$$ ON JACK'S BEHALF  in order to sweet talk and salesmanship to gain enough support from the Seattle Airplane industry folks that this Boeing 80A that now sits fully restored in the Museum of Flight in Seattle--NEEDED TO BE FULLY RESTORED.
Ted..(thus proving that Shultzie old memory cells have many glitches and flaws)
Thankfully to JACK LEFLER  now this old beautiful  Boeing 80 is now the center piece of the Seattle Museum of Flight.
http://internetmodeler.com/2006/june/new-releases/book_boeing80.php

By the way...PETE BOWERS (also an old retired  Boeing wind tunnel model maker) put together this amazing book....that I have in my collection. A BUCK$$$ IS A WINDFALL BARGIN OF THE DAY!
Also was very saddened to hear that both his mother Helen and his brother Michael (who had taken on part of the responsibilities of preserving their father's beautiful photography and restoration projects have also passed this life.
Bob and his family are still in the process of trying to preserve their father Jack's priceless collections.
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