Author Topic: Old Man Wins (Read 5992 times)

John Stiles · « **on:** May 09, 2009, 10:04:08 PM »

Mark Martin wins the Southern 500!

YEEEEHAWWWW!

Brett Buck · « **Reply #1 on:** May 09, 2009, 10:09:11 PM »

Quote from: John Stiles on May 09, 2009, 10:04:08 PM

Mark Martin wins the Southern 500! YEEEEHAWWWW!

" Tough as an old pine knot", indeed.

Brett

Robert McHam · « **Reply #2 on:** May 09, 2009, 10:22:10 PM »

" Tough as an old pine knot", indeed.
With a ten penny nail in it!

I watched and cheered!

Robert

Mike Palko · « **Reply #3 on:** May 09, 2009, 10:37:35 PM »

It's been 10 years since Mark won more than one race in a season!

Mike

Larrys4227 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 10, 2009, 05:11:40 AM »

As long as Kyle Busch doesn't win, then I'm happy. Mark crossing the finish line first is icing on a great race!

FlySafe! Larry (Larrys4227)

john e. holliday · « **Reply #5 on:** May 10, 2009, 07:15:15 AM »

Did you notice the kid walking off like the little spoiled brat usually does when they don't get their way. It is time for Mark to have a great year and retire before it's too late. DOC Holliday

Matt Colan · « **Reply #6 on:** May 10, 2009, 07:26:29 AM »

I hadn't watched NASCAR since Carl Edwards wreck at Talladega. This is Mark's second win this year right?

john e. holliday · « **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2009, 07:36:31 AM »

You got it. As far as Carl's crash, as stated after veiwing the films everyone has concluded that if he had not got hit he would not have made the catch fence. This cars are mucho safer than a few years ago. DOC Holliday

Matt Colan · « **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2009, 07:46:29 AM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on May 10, 2009, 07:36:31 AM

You got it. As far as Carl's crash, as stated after veiwing the films everyone has concluded that if he had not got hit he would not have made the catch fence. This cars are mucho safer than a few years ago. DOC Holliday

And also much safer catch fences. When I look at the video, Carl actually started going back down to the ground before Newman hit him.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #9 on:** May 10, 2009, 07:58:46 AM »

Reading Darrel Waltrips book, it is almost understood to push the rules. I know your upset because they cheated more than we do. DOC Holliday

Steven Kientz · « **Reply #10 on:** May 10, 2009, 08:07:46 AM »

i just hate that they knowingly cross the line. JJ is a very talented driver, he has proven that time and again. Hendricks is about the most crooked business man there is, I wouldn't have put it passed him to fake his illness several years ago to stay out of prison. Of course Nascar was probably involved in that to. It's just entertainment, who knows how many "planned" cautions there are? Also, I predict T Stewart will win the Brickyard(first win for new car owner at his "home" track).

Steve

Brett Buck · « **Reply #11 on:** May 10, 2009, 08:39:58 AM »

Quote from: Steven Kientz on May 10, 2009, 08:07:46 AM

It's just entertainment, who knows how many "planned" cautions there are? Also, I predict T Stewart will win the Brickyard(first win for new car owner at his "home" track).

Uh, yeah. Of course that presupposes there will be a race, vice a parade as their was before.

Brett

don Burke · « **Reply #12 on:** May 10, 2009, 09:48:16 AM »

On top of everything, Mark's car DID NOT have a "Darlington Stripe", that's talent and patience!

I certainly applauded when the "Spoiled Brat" hit the wall and headed for the garage!

re: Edwards at Taladega. Even though the roof flaps opened the car still went airborne, the flaps aren't big enough IMO! And Newman might have avoided the hit by lifting and braking, but there's no way any "racer" would do that one the last lap that close to the finish line.

Leester · « **Reply #13 on:** May 10, 2009, 09:59:01 AM »

Mark is a good clean racer, to bad he works for Hendrick. I like to see the "Spoiled Brat" win just to P.O. his former boss RH

Matt Colan · « **Reply #14 on:** May 10, 2009, 12:32:44 PM »

Quote from: Leester on May 10, 2009, 09:59:01 AM

Mark is a good clean racer, to bad he works for Hendrick. I like to see the "Spoiled Brat" win just to P.O. his former boss RH

The only reason I like watching the "Spoiled Brat" race is because he is exciting to watch. He'll make these drastic moves that nobody else would attempt.

Frank Sheridan · « **Reply #15 on:** May 10, 2009, 12:43:18 PM »

I haven't watched NASCAR in quite some time. Does Mar Martin still drive the Viagara car? There was a joke going around saying that they had trouble getting the hood to come down on that car.

LOL

Leester · « **Reply #16 on:** May 10, 2009, 12:51:22 PM »

Mark no longer drives for Rausch Racing, he drives #5 for Hendricks.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #17 on:** May 10, 2009, 01:20:02 PM »

His last win before this year I think was 2005.

Don Hutchinson AMA5402 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 10, 2009, 01:59:25 PM »

A bit of bad luck, I have to go to the All Star race in Charlotte next weeekend!
Don

Will Davis · « **Reply #19 on:** May 10, 2009, 02:10:47 PM »

I will be there, looking forward to seeing the old mad clean up on the "Young Guns" again.

Will

Robert McHam · « **Reply #20 on:** May 10, 2009, 03:17:25 PM »

Quote by Don Burke:
"On top of everything, Mark's car DID NOT have a "Darlington Stripe", that's talent and patience!"

I must agree, and wasn't it Darell Waltrip who said, (sorry, don't remember quote exactly) 'If you race here at Darlington and don't end up with a Darlington stripe, you weren't racing hard enough.' ?

The Darlington stripe was mentioned as being something to be proud of, a 'badge of honor' and more. I hardly think that Mark Martin's win was less honorable or that anyone felt less proud of him depite the fact that he did not get a stripe last night. I would consider that winning this race and not getting the stripe would carry more honor!
Mark has certainly had his share of stripes at that track in the past as most racers do even among the best drivers. Only the skill Mark Martin has, his car set up, pit crew, spotter, and lady luck kept him from getting that deserved(?) Darlington stripe.

Robert

Mike Palko · « **Reply #21 on:** May 10, 2009, 09:22:34 PM »

Quote from: Robert McHam on May 10, 2009, 03:17:25 PM

Quote by Don Burke:
"On top of everything, Mark's car DID NOT have a "Darlington Stripe", that's talent and patience!"

I must agree, and wasn't it Darell Waltrip who said, (sorry, don't remember quote exactly) 'If you race here at Darlington and don't end up with a Darlington stripe, you weren't racing hard enough.' ?

The Darlington stripe was mentioned as being something to be proud of, a 'badge of honor' and more. I hardly think that Mark Martin's win was less honorable or that anyone felt less proud of him depite the fact that he did not get a stripe last night. I would consider that winning this race and not getting the stripe would carry more honor!
Mark has certainly had his share of stripes at that track in the past as most racers do even among the best drivers. Only the skill Mark Martin has, his car set up, pit crew, spotter, and lady luck kept him from getting that deserved(?) Darlington stripe.

Robert

That may be a DW quote, but DW also praised Mark for his "smart" racing all night. IDK how anybody could not respect Mark.

Mike

don Burke · « **Reply #22 on:** May 10, 2009, 09:45:40 PM »

If I remember correctly, the "Darlington Stripe" originated back in the good old days when the fast way around was to lean on the ARMCO barrier that was the wall at that time. The ARMCO left two distince "stripes" down the side of the car. If you did it right, and didn't tear the car up doing it, lap times were faster. They also used to mount a leaf spring, flat side out, under the body work on the right side of the car to help keep it from caving in on the tires when leaning on the fence. The stripe was considered a badge of honor from Darlington many years before DW was even racing.

I agreee, I think Mark showed last night that you don't need a stripe to prove you were racing hard, first place proves everything!

As far as the brat being exciting. In the past another brat, Jeff Gordon, was setting some really fast times his first time at Texas Motor Speedway. A TV reporter asked Dale Earnhardt what made the kid so fast? He replied, "He ain't hit the wall hard enough yet!" JG hit the wall hard in that race. Isn't Texas one of the tracks he's never won at?

The "spoiled brat" has yet to have a bad enough crash yet to educate him, IMO! A typical kid, all guts, no brains! Or to quote an unknown old philospher, "Too soon old, Too late smart!"

Brett Buck · « **Reply #23 on:** May 10, 2009, 10:01:13 PM »

Quote from: don Burke on May 10, 2009, 09:45:40 PM

As far as the brat being exciting. In the past another brat, Jeff Gordon, was setting some really fast times his first time at Texas Motor Speedway. A TV reporter asked Dale Earnhardt what made the kid so fast? He replied, "He ain't hit the wall hard enough yet!" JG hit the wall hard in that race. Isn't Texas one of the tracks he's never won at?

   No, Jeffy won at Texas earlier this year.

   I might also note that with the COT and soft walls, it's a bit of a different game, where the danger of hitting the wall is not much of a deterrent. That's why the are willing to drive a little crazy - which has always been the fast way, if you didn't crash out - works now. The downside has been greatly reduced. If you went back to Armco, guys like Terry Labonte, Mark Martin, etc, would dominate it after a while, because guys like Kyle would be dead or injured.

   Brett

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #24 on:** May 10, 2009, 10:28:50 PM »

Ok, I resisted, now I cant,, first of, I was an Alan Kulwicki fan of HUGE proportions,,
then I started following Jeff Gordon at age 14 driving 800 HP sprint cars,, yeah he hadnt hit anythingYet,, you ever watch a sprint car race, ? they always hit stuff! lol

as for Mr. Bush,, You can call him whiney,, HOWEVER, realize he is a VERY gifted talented driver and he is part of what will fuel Nascar in the future. His "tantrums" when he doesnt win are an exhibition of his PASSION to win, not him being spoiled,, its competition, he has been raised from the age of 0 to race and have that fire to win. When he doesnt he is not happy, yeah maybe he could tone it down abit,, but, the simple fact that people notice, is part of why he will be a force. Nascar has something no other racing form has. It has polorized passionate fans, you either love em or hate em,,, People hated Jeff G cause he was beating up the old gaurd, now its Bush,, yep, more time, more of the same,,, Smile guys, your playing right into what the France family realized years and years ago when they first formed this dynasty called Nascar,, you have to make the fans pick a driver, or a team, or an owner, both to love, and to hate,, ..
keep watching,,
Oh, and Mark Martin is a class act,, good to see him win again for sure

Larrys4227 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 11, 2009, 05:03:50 AM »

Mr Busch may be many things to NASCAR and the fans ... but one thing he doesnt have is CLASS. A perpetual whine-bag if the seas dont part for HIM. Mark Martin is in a class by himself, but as long as KB doesn't win, I'm happy camper. Of course if one of my fav's like Carl or Denny wins .... Yippeee!!

All in fun!

FlySafe! Larry (Larrys4227)

Michael Floerchinger · « **Reply #26 on:** May 11, 2009, 06:16:23 AM »

I was an avid fan, never missed a race, went to Altanta every year until NASCAR let toyota in ..............................

Bruce Reynolds · « **Reply #27 on:** May 11, 2009, 06:21:18 AM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on May 10, 2009, 10:01:13 PM

... I might also note that with the COT and soft walls, it's a bit of a different game, where the danger of hitting the wall is not much of a deterrent ...

Yeah, the COT is much tougher than the old car, plus, with the rear wing, they're able to hang the rear end out more and make saves that in the past would have resulted in a spin and maybe a wadded up car, too.

Darlington in the past was well known for it's abrasive and sandy surface which would shred tires. Lap times would drop off dramatically after just a few laps as the drivers would slip and slide the best they could for the rest of the run. High (fastest) line + abrasive track = Darlington Stripe. The new surface is really grippy right now, so fewer Stripes.

Mark Martin is great. If Arlene would let him, he could drive well into his sixties with his insane workout schedule...

John Stiles · « **Reply #28 on:** May 11, 2009, 10:31:53 AM »

Marks current car the #5 is that same car>>: Terry Labonte drove for many years...now he and Kyle Petty have found another love; Harleys and Needy Children

don Burke · « **Reply #29 on:** May 11, 2009, 10:40:18 AM »

RE: Mark, It has been said, "Old age experience and treachery will beat youth, enthusiasm, and ability! Re: Busch, Orignally said about pilots, "There are old drivers and bold drivers, but there are NO old, bold drivers!" Dale E made it a long time but it finally caught up to him, a sad day.

Steven Kientz · « **Reply #30 on:** May 11, 2009, 03:41:48 PM »

You can add Marco Andretti to the whiney spoiled brat list. My wifes employer is a small sponsor on his car. She met him last year, he wanted nothing to do with the meet and greet he was at. He needs a good dose of poverty(REALITY) MAYBE HE WOULD APPRECIATE WHAT HE HAS.

Steve

Charlie Pate · « **Reply #31 on:** May 11, 2009, 04:31:18 PM »

Quote from: Steven Kientz on May 11, 2009, 03:41:48 PM

You can add Marco Andretti to the whiney spoiled brat list. My wifes employer is a small sponsor on his car. She met him last year, he wanted nothing to do with the meet and greet he was at. He needs a good dose of poverty(REALITY) MAYBE HE WOULD APPRECIATE WHAT HE HAS.

Steve We run Quarter Midgets; 6 years of age to mid teens.
Its almost impossible to convey to the kids just how lucky they are to be in the possition they are in.
we had a booth set up at the Nashville Motor speedway this weekend with two cars.
It was very Gratifying to see the looks on the kids face as we placed them in the cars.
Some were so happy ,they had that christmas morning look.
One little girl about five , jumped in the car and insisted she get the full five point harness belt fastening.
When this was done she had a look on her face that said ' This is home , where I belong!

Jim Pollock · « **Reply #32 on:** May 11, 2009, 09:03:31 PM »

Well,

Do you think Mark can embarrass the other Team members into driving a little better, namely, Earnhardt, Johnson and Gordon?

Jim Pollock

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #33 on:** May 11, 2009, 09:35:11 PM »

Oh, uh, have you seen where Gordon is in the points this year,, hmm seems perhaps he is driving better than Martin right now?

Brett Buck · « **Reply #34 on:** May 11, 2009, 09:37:06 PM »

Quote from: Jim Pollock on May 11, 2009, 09:03:31 PM

Do you think Mark can embarrass the other Team members into driving a little better, namely, Earnhardt, Johnson and Gordon?

   Jeff is 1st in points, 6th on the all time win list (and very likely to be 3rd by the end of the year) and a 4-time champ. Jimmy is 4th and just got done three-peating, and Mark is 11th. If any learning need be done, maybe it needs to go the other way. I don't think they need to be taught any lessons.

   Junior, on the other hand, might need some inspiration. Maybe start with learning how to find the pits.

   Brett

Bruce Reynolds · « **Reply #35 on:** May 12, 2009, 06:00:41 AM »

Mark doesn't need any lessons, either. He needs engines that stay together. After blowing up two engines, shredding a tire and ripping a fender off (at Atlanta, I think), and getting caught up in one of the "big ones" at Talladega, he's had three finishes of 40th or worse and is still 11th in points.

Maybe Junior, on the other hand, needs to stay out of Whisky River and tape a map of pit road on his dash like Michael Waltrip does

. I thought it was sort of a mistake that Tony Eury, Jr. came to HMS with Junior. He (Junior) might have been better off totally shaking the DEI dust off of his boots.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #36 on:** May 12, 2009, 08:22:11 AM »

I am going to open a can of worms on this as I was a fan of Dale Sr(I referred to him as iron head at times). Seemed he was tearing up cars. But, Jr will never be the driver his dad was in my opinion. I think he has already proven that moving to another team has not helped. He needs to grow up and listen to his crew chief. I thought Eury his old crew chief went to another team.

By the way, I don't cheer for any one driver anymore. Even at the local track. Seems every time I start pulling for a driver, he either breaks or blows up. Nothing like watching a Super Modified go a half lap on the 1/2 mile dirt in a ball of flame. The driver was okay, but, paint was scorched in the drivers compartment. Having fun, DOC Holliday

Bruce Reynolds · « **Reply #37 on:** May 12, 2009, 08:45:55 AM »

Tony Eury Sr. was Junior's crew cheif from the Nationwide series days up until about 2005, then Tony Jr. became his crew chief. Junior was much more successful with Tony Sr. than he ever was with Tony Jr. Maybe Tony Jr. is not the crew chief his dad is, either

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Brett Buck · « **Reply #38 on:** May 12, 2009, 09:19:25 AM »

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I am going to open a can of worms on this as I was a fan of Dale Sr(I referred to him as iron head at times). Seemed he was tearing up cars. But, Jr will never be the driver his dad was in my opinion. I think he has already proven that moving to another team has not helped. He needs to grow up and listen to his crew chief. I thought Eury his old crew chief went to another team.

I think the guy is under so much pressure to match up with his dad that no one could deal with it. Going to Hendrick just made it worse, now there's absolutely nothing he (or really, his fans) can point to as an excuse. And frankly I think people are expecting too much of him - he's gotten to where he is largely on reputation and nostalgia. And he has been doing very well compared to the average driver, even with excellent equipment, so he's no slouch. And he hasn't been making excuses, he's been a pretty stand-up guy.

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By the way, I don't cheer for any one driver anymore. Even at the local track.

Me neither. I prefer seeing a few guys win, but I don't care that much either way. I just like the races.

Brett