veco/dumas Brave

[Randy.Birt]

Greetinigs, am I correct in thinking that the veco/dumas Brave is a scaled down version of the Chief kit?    Any insight as to the flying quality of the Brave.? I have a kit at home, and I am thinking about putting it on the board next. Thanks

Randy

[Dennis Leonhardi]

Not sure about "scaled down Chief", might look at that later - but at first glance you see (1) no flaps and (2) stabilizer area is much larger than elevator area, definitely not the same ratio as the Chief.

I have a Chief and Brave in pretty much the same colors, will take a photo but right now we're getting hail and supersonic winds in Southern Minnesota ...


Dennis

[L0U CRANE]

I'd prefer to remember  Bob Palmer designing several smallish stunters (by today's thinking) for VECO, which all had a family resemblance. The Brave may have been a larger Squaw, and the Warrior a Brave with flaps. The Chief shows a little similarity with the smaller ones in structure, but I don't think it was either initiator or derivative of the rest of the "tribe." The two open-cockpit basic box art was common among them all. Would using Native American terms be acceptable today? Back then, it was considered a tribute to the qualities of "American Indian" people and traditions...

The VECO line changed hands and eventually sold as Dumas.

I had a Warrior a few years after Ty mentioned for his Brave. May have powered it with a VECO .29 or .31 - the old one, not the later, stronger one. Not a lot of power, but enough for my kit-wood built example, and ALWAYS able to draw fuel to sustain the setting. Flew that and an All American, Sr., at about the same time. The AA, Sr., flew better, but we didn't know that - so the difference  wasn't glaring.

VERY enjoyable, anyway... Your Brave should be a pleasure - kept light and straight.

I notice there are Brave plans on Hip-Pocket: They show structure that would serve spark ignition! Coil, condenser, battery, breaker points, small tank space! Later kit had improved structure, more suited to glow ignition.

Enjoy!

[Dennis Leonhardi]

Flying Models Plans sells a Brave plan done by Bill Schmidt, who is very good - my copy is rather ugly, but fine for building.  I'll email the pdf file to anyone providing their email address in a PM.


Dennis

[Gary Mondry]

Get a load of the incidence in that wing.  Yikes!!

[Randy.Birt]

Thanks yall. I have not pulled the kit open, but I will and take a good look at the wood.

Thanks again.

Randy

[Dennis Leonhardi]

For lack of a better word, the Brave seems "stubby" to me.  Side by side view here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/airclassix/albums/72157714927096947.


Dennis