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Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« on: February 25, 2019, 06:40:09 PM »
          Hello All:

          What modern airplane kit would duplicate the Al Rabe Mustunt circa 1973?

          I have been flying a Mustunt II and I think that it is a great flying plane.  Is there a kit that will provide the great flying characteristics of the Mustunst.  Perhaps I am living in the past, but that is one swell flying airplane!  Must be the thick wing!! Plans were available but I doubt if they still are.

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2019, 07:23:13 PM »
          Hello All:

          What modern airplane kit would duplicate the Al Rabe Mustunt circa 1973?

          I have been flying a Mustunt II and I think that it is a great flying plane.  Is there a kit that will provide the great flying characteristics of the Mustunst.  Perhaps I am living in the past, but that is one swell flying airplane!  Must be the thick wing!! Plans were available but I doubt if they still are.

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Mustunt plans are out there on the internet :)

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2019, 09:41:23 PM »
   Why not get the plans and reshape/kit bash it into what you want it to look like? That is your best chance of getting an airplane that flies like the one you have. Right off hand, I don't know of any other kit available that has that same air foil.
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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2019, 09:44:16 PM »
          Hello All:

          What modern airplane kit would duplicate the Al Rabe Mustunt circa 1973?

          I have been flying a Mustunt II and I think that it is a great flying plane.  Is there a kit that will provide the great flying characteristics of the Mustunst.  Perhaps I am living in the past, but that is one swell flying airplane!  Must be the thick wing!! Plans were available but I doubt if they still are.

     It flies pretty well, but it's more like the best of the classic airplanes than it is a modern airplane. Just build a III from the plans if you like the way it flies, should fly a lot smoother in turbulence. 

   Where it deviates from modern designs are the short and relatively small tail and very large flaps, and the intent to trim it fairly nose-heavy. The wing thickness was radical at the time (and much better than a Nobler, which was the reference at the time) but many followed it that were much thicker (including the Infinity and Trivial Pursuit airfoils). To the point it may have been overdone.

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2019, 11:04:22 PM »
          Hello All:

          What modern airplane kit would duplicate the Al Rabe Mustunt circa 1973?

          Plans were available but I doubt if they still are.

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Mustunt I, II, III plans are available from the AMA plans service.

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2019, 02:10:31 PM »
Rabe also designed a Mustunt for the LA-46.  I'm thinking he called it the Mustunt IV.  I don't know if he is still selling the plans.

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2019, 07:57:57 AM »
Vector     It would be a step up but very much like what you have.
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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2019, 02:21:32 PM »
Please check post No 25

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2019, 04:47:38 PM »
Kyle is still around but I think  he spends more time producing  music with his daughter.
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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2019, 06:06:00 PM »
I keep getting reports on not being able to edit this post. I will need more info before I can help
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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2019, 04:13:58 PM »
Bad post.  Please check No 25

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2019, 07:43:59 PM »
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What is the "report to moderator about?

Must be a slip of the thumb .

Its for when you want their head on a platter for posting rude pictures , being politically correct , posting dispargeing remarks ,
mentioning the Patternmaster , or saying ' Is that a modified Nobler ' .

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2019, 06:02:27 PM »
ad post.  Please check No 25

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2019, 12:38:19 PM »
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The Mustunt III was a Mustunt II with a tapered wing.  It flew OK but was kind of ugly.

As the designer, it's your right to decide that your design was ugly.  But, I have to say that I have always thought that your Mustunts, particularly II and III were quite attractive.

Years ago at the Edison NJ contest one of the flyers (whose name, sadly, I can't recall; but he passed away a few years ago) flew an upscaled Mustunt III, ST-60 powered, painted up like a P-51 in aluminum.  I really liked that one!  Very attractive!  Does anyone recall that pilot or plane?  Any pictures?

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2019, 02:47:17 PM »
I believe the late Joe Ortiz had a model like you describe. Gorgeous, and flew like
a dream!  Miss Joe...
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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2019, 07:23:27 PM »
Yes!  It was Joe.  Thanks for remembering Bill.  I used to see Joe at the old Edison meet years ago and then he retired and moved to Arizona.  He came to his last Brodaks before he died.  I recall him telling me he had cancer (I think.)

Joe was just a terrific person and I always enjoyed seeing him.  I wish someone had the plans for his plane or even some pictures.

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2019, 08:51:19 PM »
I recall seeing a picture of that , living out here at the edge of the earth .
Makes it Stunt News or likely ' Flying Lines ' from Oregon . Did he go there ?
Pity theres not a SEARCH function , on their site .

Ive tried that here , a page & a bit . A link to Lampione flushing meadows pictures seems to have dematerialised. The pictures anyway . 2007 .

Maybe starting a thread  ' Oritz / Mustunt would get a look in .
Think the plan'd be a bl**dy great Mustunt , maybe with ribs at 2 inches , tho He wasnt ' you can never have to many ribs ' ( or Formers ) Urtnowski ,
It could just be a straight scale up , to around 60 in span . ?

Or spend a week or two going thru the flying lines pictures .  S?P VD~

ACTUALLY , try the Brodak site pictures too , that could be it .

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2019, 06:30:03 AM »
Matt:

Joe had that plane at the Edison N.J. contest which was well before Brodaks.  I don't recall exactly but it may have been ST-60 powered.  Doubt if the picture is anywhere but in someone's old picture book or 35 mm slides.

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2019, 03:26:49 PM »
Should be a scan attached from Nov/Dec 1995 Stunt News. It appears in the Jan 1995 Stunt News as well,where it states he had an OS FP in it.
( I guess a 40 size)
Hope it helps.

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2019, 03:50:01 PM »
Paul:

That's it!  Thank you so much for finding the picture!

At the time that Joe built it, there were only Mustunts 1, 2, and 3; so he named his "4".  I'll see if I can't get a hold of Andy Lee.  Maybe he remembers some more about it.


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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2019, 07:50:12 AM »
Andy Lee found 2 more pictures of Joe's Mustunt IV...

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2019, 05:31:35 PM »
Bad post.  Please check post No 25

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2019, 06:25:25 PM »
Al,  I'm pretty sure at that point what you want to do is click "save".

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2019, 06:35:29 PM »
First, a bit of history to identify the four Mustunt versions.  The Mustunt I was a  .Fox 35 profile stunt trainer well capable of decent patters.  The Mustunt II was much the same airplane using wing, tail, and moment arms of the Mustunt I.  It differed only in having a full fuselage and cockpit.  The Mustunt III was a Mustunt II with a tapered wing.  It flew OK but was kind of ugly.  When I added taper to the wing, I kept the flap hinge line at the same location as the Mustunt II.  This made the Mustunt III nose unattractively short. The Mustunt IV was basically a paste up of the Mustunt II nose and tail and used the Mustunt III tapered wing modified to include dihedral and shock gear.  It also used a OS 46 and removable tank.  The goal, of course, was to have a very competitive airplane with a semi scale appearance.

I don't know if anybody ever made laser cut parts for the Mustunt II.  Actually,  the only duplicated parts were for the constant chord wing.  Everything else except[t for the canopy and molded turtledeck could be copied from the plans. I do know that Kyle and possibly Walter Umland cut laser kits for the Mustunt IV. These may be available from Walter.  Kyle is still around (I think).  Plans for the Mustunts I, II, and III were available from Model Aviation February, 1953 and included in the Al's Models 4 disk..

In this post there is a photo of the original plan cut and posted from the Mustunt I, II, and III plans.  The Mustunt IV has the nose from Mustunt II wing leading edge forward.  The tail is from the Mustunt II from the flap hinge line aft. The Mustunt III's wing is unchanged except adding dihedral and the shock gear.  The cowl and turtle deck are from Mustunt II original molds.  Original canopies are Bearcat II  from a Fort Worth airline mechanic named Sparky at sparky2@att.net.  And, of course the power was upped to OS 46. It was a fun project to design an easy building but fully competitive  airplane with sort of a semi scale appearance.  It turned out well.

I mentioned before about the availability of the free, one click download, of Al's Models 4, available here on Stunthangar.  For persons interested in Mustunts, there is a 298 page article on design, building, painting and flying the Mustunt IV,  That Mustunt IV article in book 2, starts at page 88 and ends at page 386, a 298 page article on just one airplane.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkHUtj971Jgk_k-N5vVQX_as0dcVexiz4     

This is a copy of the one click access to the Al's Models 4 Disk. It's called a hyperlink but there's no need to know that.  Just click on the part beginning https: and ends with iz4.

This edited post contains most of the necessary information about Mustunts, especially the Mustunt IV.  Sorry about the presentation but I'm trying to correct some posts where I was incorrectly complaining about my difficulty in posting and editing.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2019, 05:30:33 PM by Al Rabe »

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2019, 07:16:39 PM »
Al, I promise the Mustunt kit I got will get built one of these years.  Of course you know promises can be broken.   It is one fantastic kit with the molded parts and laser cutting. H^^ #^ #^
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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2019, 10:41:13 AM »
HI Frank. Well,you could go to the Muststunt III.   It's, as you know, the same as the II but with swept wings. Walter Umland (buildlitright) has the files so he can cut you a short kit. D>K

and also

Frank,

First, a bit of history to identify the four Mustunt versions.  The Mustunt I was a  .Fox 35 profile stunt trainer well capable of decent patters.  The Mustunt II was much the same airplane,  wing tail, and moment arms.  It differed only in having a full fuselage and cockpit.  The Mustunt III was a Mustunt II with a tapered wing.  It flew OK but was kind of ugly.  When I added taper to the wing, I kept the flap hinge line at the same location as the Mustunt II.  This made the Mustunt III nose unattractively short. The Mustunt IV was basically a paste up of the Mustunt II nose and tail and used the Mustunt III tapered wing modified to include dihedral and shock gear.  It also used a OS 46 and removable tank.  The goal, of course, was to have a very competitive airplane with a semi scale appearance.

I don't know if anybody ever made laser cut parts for the Mustunt II.  Actually,  the only duplicated parts were for the constant chord wing.  Everything else except[t for the canopy and molded turtledeck could be copied from the plans. I do know that Kyle and possibly Walter Umland cut laser kits for the Mustunt IV. These may be available from Walter.  Kyle is still around (I think).  Plans for the Mustunts I, II, and III were available from Model Aviation.

Yes I have Kyles files and am the one that can cut you whatever you want from each one in the Mustunt series, including printing you a copy of the plans. Contact me through here or from my website. http://www.builtrightflyright.com/

I look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you and God Bless
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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2019, 10:44:18 AM »
Andy Lee found 2 more pictures of Joe's Mustunt IV...

I was looking for the only photo I had of Joe's Mustunt, because I was one that shipped it to him in Az., and took a picture for insurance purposes but you beat me to it and sorry but I still can't find it. Thank you for posting them and thank Andy Lee also if you can.
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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2019, 09:04:49 AM »
test

Right now I think that I was the problem posting.  I normally check the size of photos  I'm posting but I have a favorite Mustunt IV full size plan which I've been  more concerned about getting it in the post than carefully checking it's size.  I think it has been causing my posts to time out.

I'm sorry about the material that I've been recently posting.  Maybe it's about what you can expect from a 83 year old modeler.

In any case, I'd like to remind Sparky's readers that there is a large post in this forum, heaven only knows how far back, that covers free one click downloads of my Al's Models disk including the entire 890,000 words, 1600 photos and a half hour of video.  Plans for all of my airplanes are posted there and should be easily copied from the free disk download by taking the disk, not paper copies, to commercial print shops.  Also, Walter says he can provide plans and laser cut kits from original Kyle files.  I also have a complete copy of Kyle's files but its a 40 mile round trip to my favorite print shop.

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2019, 02:35:23 PM »
Whoops, bad post.  Check post No 25

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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2019, 02:38:48 PM »
Check post No. 25
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Re: Muststunt, modern kit or?????
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2019, 06:05:54 PM »
Kyle produced a fine kit of the Mustunt II and I have one of the last ones he did. It’s on my list of “someday soon” builds.
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