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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Tom Luciano on August 09, 2017, 07:30:50 AM
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It's not too late to get that new Voodoo, Combat Cat, etc. built for this years event at the GSCB field!
I'm finishing up trim on my 1960 Scarinzi designed "Hatchet" I had a yard of pink esaki silk laying around.....
Anybody working on anything new?
Tom
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Tom:
LOOKS KOOOL...
Time to get 'em out and fire 'em up for some practice.
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Looks great. Wasn't so far I would bring my fleet. Finally getting engine broke in on the Equalizer. H^^
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Looks like I'm going to be a no-show again this year. Rats. :'(
I hope you guys have a great turn-out, have a ton of fun... and take LOTS of pics n' vids for us that can't make it.
I haven't even flown or fired up an engine since the 'Dobbers Combat Legends Reunion last October. Shame on me. n1
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Andre,
We still owe you a Jimmy Buff Dog! You got to get back out here.
Doc,
I'm still working on winning that lottery ticket!
Frank,
Maybe we need to plan a warm up at the GSCB field. Since we are grounded at our place for another 2 weeks!
Hatchet- I'm torn between putting my small case Johnson in it or my Johnson Combat Special. Larrys original had the small case.
I also want to thank Barry Baxter for helping out with a set of plans.
Tom
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I got a 1961 vintage Johnson CS that I put on a Voodoo for this Sunday. I want to see how it will go on some extra vitamin N %^@, lets see if I can get it over 100mph. Bring your stopwatch.
Al
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Working on a new Double Diamond. First couple coats of clear on but the silk is not cooperating. Hoping another 6 or 7 coats will clear it up.
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Hats off to Jim and Tom- prolific builders ! The forecast is looking great. 80 degrees and sunny. Rang up LS hisself and told him to have Ginger put 9/24 on his Dick Tracy watch.
Frank
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Guys, Check out my you tube channel with flights from years past. Look up the TBone1260. Here's a couple of favorites of mine. Hope to see everyone out at the field this Sunday! It is the highlight of the year! Bring your planes and your cameras....See you Sunday!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkcxeX7jCaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNKd9ic0jVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gylJkCnpr00
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Can't wait. Hope we get to fly every one of them...... and use up all of our nitro ;D TS
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Thanks, Tom L. for rekindling old memories.
A whole lot of new ones just ahead.
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Memories? You guys have memories? I rely on BS. Will have a new combat streak. C ya Sunday.
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If it wasn't so far. But I'm looking forward to the Okie get together next month. H^^
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You East Coast Crazies are gonna' have SOOO much fun! n~ #^
Hoping to make it back up there in 2018. If all goes according to The Plan, I'll be retired come June 2018... so I can have some time to build some airplanes for it! Andre Mingliano needs to get back up there and hob-nob with his East Coast buds in the worst way.
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Yo Andre :
Glad to hear that 2018 is a possibility !
Frank
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Frank:
Sharon is up for a trip back to New Joisey to have some great visits and laughs with the East Coast Crazies, too! (Of course the great food is a plus, too!)
As mentioned, I should be retiring next June, and having the time to actually sit, relax, and build some planes for the GSCB's Nostalgia Combat Meet sounds so appealing at this point. Why, last year I had a 16' x 20' out-building constructed for my hobbies... and I've not had time to get my hobby stuff moved in, set up a work bench, and all that jazz.
Attached are some pics of my "Hobby Shack". That's a wall mounted HVAC system that has a heat pump (and electric coil "emergency heat) as well as an AC.
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So not this time for me, but in the very near future. Next year sounds like a strong possibility. We'll do the James Mears memorial combat bash and then Nostalgia combat next year. Should be enough time in between.
So..... Would the Blackhawk models Apocalypse count as nostalgia combat? It was introduced in '76. It's definitely older than I !
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Dane you are most welcome to come on out. We have no roolz other than that we require that every entrant enjoy to the max.
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10-4, will comply.
So that's a pretty reasonable distance away. I might have to ship a plane or two and me and the wife fly. I doubt she'll want to drive that far with me! Las Vegas to parts of Texas seems to be about her limit. I've been wanting to come out. I'm thinking next year is the year!
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Great news from Dane and Andre ! Andre, you really gonna build in that nice building ? From appearance, it almost seems too nice for balsa dust and chips. Way to go.
I spoke with Larry "LS hisself " Scarinzi this morning. He's readying the fleet for Sunday. Anyone reading this within a half day's drive should come on out . Larry's original designed and published combat aircraft are works of art with dyed surfaces, fantastic silk jobs , detailed paint , striping and lettering and less I forget, ultra performing Fox engines.
Individually, they each display the evolution of combat aircraft and history of a bygone era- the 50s and 60s designs(coast to coast) were arguably the most beautiful combat ships ever , IMO.
Frank
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Andre, maybe I'll just mail you a kit and come visit with you a day or two early. Borrow your building room and throw something together !!!
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Let Andre build it for you. I've seen his work. D>K
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Good News! It might warm up some Sunday!
Have fun!
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I'm tellin' ya... you guys are gonna' have SO much fun... and I can't be there! :'(
Frank: Amazing what a broom and dustpan can accomplish! I'm going to be very busy for the next several weekends, but I'm hoping to start moving building supplies and stuff out to my new building as autumn progresses so I can have all in place for winter. Below is a pic looking out the window where my work bench will be sitting. Looking forward to sitting there watching it snow... toasty warm and working on a combat plane!
All fer now!
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Oh yes... one more parting shot before you all load up and get ready to take off for the GSCB field:
Like I said above... PICS... lots of PICS and VIDEOS.
Us fellow VCC's (Vintage Combat Crazies) will vicariously enjoy the GSCB's 2017 NCE (Nostalgia Combat Event) through your pics n' vids!!
(You guys are gonna' have SO much fun!)
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So it's about 7:30 AM or so at the GSCB field. I suspect the Crazies are wearing hoodies or sweat shirts. The morning air is crisp as they're unloading their latest masterpieces and prepping for a day of BS and vintage combat plane flyin'. Larry is probably running a bit late... but there'll be a squadron of original (and very historic) vintage combat planes lining his area soon. They're gonna' have so much fun!
Darn. And here I sit looking at a busy morning of non-vintage combat commitments. My commitments are good things for sure... but part of me will be up in Whippany as I go about my duties here in the Sunbelt.
Have fun guys!!
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Well Andre the old DOC is sitting here wishing he could have made the Tulsa Stunt fest. Hope nothing changes plans for the combat get together. Also hope I got engine run problems cured on the Guilletine and Equalizer. Jimj Lee doesn't think Fox 35 Stunt is enough on the Manx Cat which I plan on using 52 foot lines.
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Great weather today.
Al
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Al:
Can't wait to hear all the stories and who won the "Fastest" award this year!
Wow... that "Purple Brew" gallon can brings back SO many great memories from my youthful years and my Fox years! I had one left over empty MM can from "back then"... but made the mistake of storing it up in the attic. Years ago, the cold of winter (I guess) caused it to implode. ''
I would purchase another in a heartbeat if I could find one in excellent shape and reuse it for any vintage combat get-together's I have the privilege to attend in the future.
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The B-17 flying over the field was indeed the coolest. Hearing those engines just prior to clearing the trees absolutely had some heads turning. Ken
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The B-17 Flyover was spectacular. He was flying what seemed to be just over the trees on his first flyover. I happened to be in the air on that first flyover and did everything I could to not just watch and fly my plane into the ground. I was lucky to be only flying my stunt speed combat streak as a warm up.
It was a great day but very hot and muggy. More like mid July in the northeast. The speeds obtained were just a hair under what the nj crazies are known for. The day was low key with the speed runs starting later in the day. We had a really cool match with a pair of Midwest Hornets! Al and Roy mixed it up for a bit but Roy got Al's streamer wrapped around his prop. I'm downloading 6+ hours of video while I'm typing this. I'll try to get that match up by days end.
I hope someone took pictures!
Tom
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Hornets make interesting take offs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzbR3krH_2Y
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TL forgot to mention that his SS took the top speed award this year! It was a close battle between 5 contenders. All were within a couple of MPH. All were Fox/LS/Gardner powered. One SS, two Double Diamonds, one Voodoo and one Scrambler. No one topped 120 this year. We are blaming 'bad air'. Tom's speed was a tick over 118. LS himself presented the award. There were pictures taken.
The whole day was spectacular, if perhaps a bit warm, but we had one dark and sobering moment. My own Voodoo was blasting around at about 117 when I felt a sudden double jerk when the plane pulled free from the lines. It buried itself about 50 feet outside the circle to an empty space. Although the plane is destroyed and my best motor filled with dirt I am giving thanks that the plane did not go through the peanut gallery!! The lines were in good shape and had been pull tested at previous events for 3 years or so. It looks like they pulled free of the wrapping at the handle end. It is easy to get casual but this was a reminder to always inspect and pull test.
Can't wait for the movies!! TS
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Here's Tom accepting his Scarinzi Speed Challenge award.
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Here's a pic of the B17 flyover. Quite the sight and sound.
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Here's Tom accepting his Scarinzi Speed Challenge award.
Well deserved.
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Here's 2 more shots of the B-17
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A B-17 flyover??
Wow... I figured it would be another epic event... but not "B-17" EPIC! How did you pull it off getting a B-17 to buzz the field?? LL~
Was pizza served for lunch again this year? (The "carry-out" pizza up your way is better than our "dine in" pizza places!) Did you guys all go somewhere and eat after it was over on Sunday? Was Tom Hampsha bragging about Jimmy's body in his toolbox again this year??
Good to see Larry is still kickin'. I sure like that old rascal.
Say... speaking of 2018: Wife and I are pretty much talking like it will be done deal. Wondering: Any of you want to get together at the GSCB field on Saturday for some flying? Seeing as I'm talking another 1300 mile trip up your way... I would like to cram in all the vintage combat craziness I can! n~
Also: Getting ready to start moving stuff into my "Hobby Shack" and I intend to start building a plane or two for the 2018 event as soon as the weather turns off too nasty for my other outdoor activities I'm interested in.
All fer now.
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Andre,
No doubt we'll get together for a primer and a Italian Hot Dog on Saturday. This year was a little different than most for me at least. I was dusting my planes off at the field. I had not turned a lap under 5 seconds in a year and I was very nervous with my first flight. I chose my Blitz for the first flight and thank goodness it worked out. The plane is very predictable with a good turn and one of my dads old reiiable x's on it. Still runs strong for almost no compression! Think I blew the plug!
https://youtu.be/ogyXFW2u3es
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Tom:
Your Blitz flight...
Lookin' good to me! You were whipping it around like a boss! Appears to me it can turn pretty good when you want it to. I just might need to think about building a Blitz, too. :!
Saturday Early Bird Fun Fly...
Super! At least it will be you and me! #^
I'll bet more of the East Coast Crazies will come on out and join us as the time nears. And ABSOLUTELY on actually getting an Italian Hot Dog this go around!
Looks like that cool front that was supposed to put our temps in the low 70's by this Satuday is fizzling out. Already upped the Saturday temps into the mid-80's. '' I don't like to ride my dual sport motorcycle off road when it's into the 80's and humid... so I'm likely going to scuttle my planned "First Ride" of this Autumn season that was hoped for this Saturday. Instead, I'm gonna' start moving stuff into my out-building in preparation for being able to build some planes out there!
All fer this 'un!
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Andre,
No doubt we'll get together for a primer and a Italian Hot Dog on Saturday. This year was a little different than most for me at least. I was dusting my planes off at the field. I had not turned a lap under 5 seconds in a year and I was very nervous with my first flight. I chose my Blitz for the first flight and thank goodness it worked out. The plane is very predictable with a good turn and one of my dads old reiiable x's on it. Still runs strong for almost no compression! Think I blew the plug!
My stars! Very nice flight on a well trimmed out lookin machine!
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Here's 2 more shots of the B-17
Looks like EAA's "Aluminum Overcast", where was this contest at?
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Looks like EAA's "Aluminum Overcast", where was this contest at?
GSCB Event held in Lincoln Park, NJ .
The B-17 from the EAA event that was right next door at the Caldwell Airport
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Jim V with his beautiful 36x powered I-Beam Lancer!
https://youtu.be/7ACbxqnMPwo
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Next year I need to take a picture of the plane and pilot prior to the flight. This ensures I don't get the plane wrong and viewers can see the ship.
Tom L
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Note for Dane Martin above ref his Nostalgia thoughts on the Apocalypse
Larry Rice -Black Hawk models- kitted the Dick Mathis, early 70s Slow Combat, Mongoose and then added the Apocalypse to the line up---- so two guys could have similar but different planes to chase streamers with
For me, a '55 born kid, who played with balsa combat planes in the late 60s early 70s a Mongoose is MY nostalgia plane... My local down the hill (Oakland CA) pharmacy/ Five n Dime/ TV Tube/ soda fountain/ shoe store ----had a close out deal around 1973.5..... Mongoose kits were $5.95...if you bought 8 you got a free Enya 5224 .35 engine
I actually managed to ship, in house hold goods, all around the world on Army assignments; one built Mongoose for 19 years before the packers finally crushed it beyond repair
In 2012 when I returned to balsa models...e-bay original Mongoose kit got bid to way too mucho $$$...but not by me ( too cheap skate)
Imagine my joy when I finally found BK models and they actually had a (close) replica of the Mongoose....went nuts scarfing them up
I have several BK Mongoose kits, so if you want one to hanger next to your Apocalypse let me know
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For all you Johnson CS 35 lovers. 40% Nitro APC 8x8 prop on the Voodoo in the photo went 96 mph running on the rich side. It would have hit 100 mph if I squeezed the needle in some more but I had to many other planes and engines to run. Nelson 36 combat, Fox 36 Mk Vll, Fox 36xBB, Fox 36xNB, McCoy 35 Lightning bolt, all out of my stable. Other engines people ran Torpedo 35, OS 35, Rossi .15, Cyclon 050, Super Tigre 35G 21 Combat, Super Tigre 35PB, McCoy 35 RedHead Fox 36x BB, Fox 36NB, Fox 36PB plus a few more. I would estimate everyone lost about 5mph from heat wave we had.
Al
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Okay, here is Al with the aforementioned VooDoo!
https://youtu.be/b50B283x_Wo
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nice one!
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Would not call that a legit speed with him walking backwards. LL~ LL~ Really pull hand into center of chest and pivot on left foot. D>K
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Although I love my Combat Streak, The Killer is my favorite Box fuselage Combat plane. This is Tom S and his Blackhead powered Killer!
Tom
https://youtu.be/aU_WdinHdvE
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Enjoyable! Small detail correction. Power is a Fox Rocket .40. Old style TF 9-7.
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Well Andre the old DOC is sitting here wishing he could have made the Tulsa Stunt fest. Hope nothing changes plans for the combat get together. Also hope I got engine run problems cured on the Guilletine and Equalizer. Jimj Lee doesn't think Fox 35 Stunt is enough on the Manx Cat which I plan on using 52 foot lines.
Back around 1960, a flying buddy of mine down in Green Ridge, Missouri, built a MANX CAT and used a K&B .35 greenhead engine for power. It was plenty adequate ! .... I think you will find that a Fox .35 will do the job on the right prop and fuel, however, I am sure that you have an old K&B .35 greenhead somewhere in the cave which would volunteer for the job. If you have a copy of the magazine article on the MANX CAT, you will see in the photos that the designer used the K&B .35 greenhead engine on the original MANX CAT III. ..... D>K H^^
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But I don't like the exhaust position of the Green Head K&B's. H^^
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Did that engine burn down on the Lancer?
Steve
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"Did that engine burn down on the Lancer?"
I think the needle valve was a little loose and opened up and went way rich. He's running a pacifier on that, which tend to go rich the last couple of laps normally.
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But I don't like the exhaust position of the Green Head K&B's. H^^
I know what you mean, however I have used the K&B .35 greenhead since 1955, on all sorts of side mounts and upright mounts with very good results. You might try a K&B Stallion .35. As I remember, they are similar in power output, but have the exaust on the "right" side. D>K H^^
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Hi all! Enjoying all the videos, comments, and banter in this thread! Thanks to all that are contributing. And a special thanks to Tom L. for his videos!
As for me:
I am aiming toward next year's GSCB event already! I have two Voodoo kits on the way that I ordered from Lazer Works. They shipped today. One (I hope) is to be powered with one of my Johnson 35 CS engines, the other some type of X engine (of course!). Either a 35X or 36X NB or 36X BB? We shall see!
I also have a couple other airplanes I want to build for the event, likely X powered. Also: At the upcoming Gluedobber's Combat weekend (Oct 14-15) I'm supposed to pick up my old ST 35C. (That I purchased in the mid-1960's.) 'Dobber Randy Dailey has rebuilt it into a sort of replica engine like he used to win Sr. Combat at the '66 Nats. Haven't decided what it will power. May go onto a "Zipper" like Randy used to win. We shall see on that, too!
Was hoping to have something new ready for this year's Gluedobber's Combat weekend, but alas, it didn't happen. (Too much life going on. Life going on is a good thing, though...right? :)! ) However the retirement monthly countdown is well down into the single digits now, so more flex time will eventually be available! (April '18 ought to be my last month of labor. All of May will be paid vacation. I will be formally retired and receive my first RR retirement check in June 2018.)
#^
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[quote author=john e. holliday
Would not call that a legit speed with him walking backwards.
Sure it is, the plane is on 60 ft lines and it was timed for 7 Laps. The object is to get the fastest mph as possible no matter what style of flying the pilot does, its a fun fly. I've seen many different flying techniques over the years in the speed and racing circles where pilots try get as much mph as possible, so that's why we don't enforce that rule. Yes, I was pulling the plane as hard as I could trying to get my Johnson 35 CS to unload over 100 mph, but was unsuccessful. What it really comes down to is you need to make power, because all that fancy piloting will only get you a couple extra MPH.
Al
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What I've seen at contests and films/videos is that at a sure 'nuf speed event, the handle must be placed in a rotating "pylon" so that the handle to plane c/l is as close to the prescribed line length as practical. This means the handle is essentially dead center of the circle. Without a pylon, you cannot simulate this without holding the handle to your chest and back stepping a bit. If you do not back step, the handle is going to make your circle approximately an 18" - 24" larger diameter owing to your chest thickness, wrist length/etc. The idea of back stepping is to keep the handle as close as possible to being the center point of the pivot.
Learned this way back at the Glenview Nats in '72 when I asked Larry why he was back stepping when we were timing some engine mods.
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Al and Andre :
Good points. Might I add that if I don't pull the handle to my gut and step back while circling, the ship will get ahead... thankfully not to the point of getting the lines wrapped around self.
An exaggeration, of course LL~
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Another point on this thread. Fun is the name. Not policing. Also, the event is called the Larry Scarinzi Speed Challenge. So, with that being said, we are all trying to emulate our spiritual mentor and his technique ;D. Therefore, a little effort in the circle is not only accepted but encouraged! As Al pointed out, it's still what's up front that counts. The air gave us some pushback this year and no amount of technique was enough to crack 120. Maybe next year. TS
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Always good to see Ken and Shawn Cook. They always have cool stuff. Here is Shawn "The Big Easy" and the Super Whipsaw
https://youtu.be/mxa3tCTpbj4
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Tom S. beat me to it, but I was going to add:
The entire concept of GSBC's Combat weekend is to have fun first and foremost. If the "Speed Challenge" portion was to be "strictly legal"... then a pylon, a more accurate timing system, altitude indicators (your entire timed run of "x" amount of laps must be below 6' altitude I think?), etc, are to be in place. This is well and good if the attempt is going to be an "official" result... but making it "official" does tend to do two things:
* Make the speed portion of the weekend more "serious". (Complete with competitors beginning to be hyper-critical of others: "Not fair!! ONE of his timed laps was above 6'!!! Mine were all perfect!")
* Start the FF (Fun Factor) indicator sliding way down the FF scale in dramatic fashion.
As it is, the FF on a GSCB combat day is way upwards on the FF scale: Lots of very cool airplanes on display, lots of "fun flying" all day long, lots of excellent camaraderie among some truly fun guys to be around, on and on. Shucks... even the food was great! (Where did you guys get that great carry-out pizza in 2015??)
Got a fast airplane? Timed out to be one of the fastest at GSCB?
Bragging rights bro'... with fudge room for us others to say why you were faster than we were!!! (All the more reason to do it again next year!)
Yup, all in fun.
"Fun" is what is going to get Sharon and I to drive umpteen thousands of miles to attend another one! #^
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The craziest thing I've seen was a popular known speed flyer hoping around the pylon backwards to stay ahead of the handle during his flight %^@.
Andre explained it exactly, its easier to keep the handle in the center if you walk backwards when you're right handed, a lefty it's easier to go forward when flying in a counter clockwise direction. In the early days what combat flyer didn't try to whip his plane while it was being timed to get his best MPH? The Scarinzi Speed Challenge is the way we relive our childhood memories by trying to duplicate his accomplishments.
Al
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Dudes! You've got me all excited here. I picked up a couple X model foxes and some early combat specials. I got a couple apocalypse models, a Darwing and hopefully a demon. Kristina has claimed one of the apocalypse planes and an enya 29 square venturi. She's sounding pretty confident....
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Al:
Speaking of memories... there was a clip on YouTube of a fly day when you were a skinny kid. I think Larry was in it, as well as The Butcher, et al. Is that still on YouTube? Do you remember who uploaded it for a search?
Dane:
Don't forget that the Gluedobbers are having a vintage combat day on Saturday, Oct 14, and Speed Limit Combat on Sunday the 15. Could be within driving distance for you? If so... there will be some more planes and stuff there to fuel your fire!
FWIW:
Been spending most of my morning accomplishing things for my "Hobby Shack". First up was cleaning out the remaining construction leftovers, then a trip to Walmart to gather up some stuff. Next it was time spent assembling storage shelves and a coat rack that I'll be using to hang my combat planes upon. Looks like the coat rack I purchased will be able to hold about a dozen combat planes... all hung up neatly like shirts in a row! I hope to move a work bench out there tomorrow. Getting a desk relocated to it (disassembled, reassembled, etc!) at will be an ordeal. It will then be time to start migrating supplies/etc out to it. HOWEVER... if I prevail and accomplish my goals for this weekend, my Hobby Shack will be nearly ready for use!
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Always good to see Ken and Shawn Cook. They always have cool stuff. Here is Shawn "The Big Easy" and the Super Whipsaw
https://youtu.be/mxa3tCTpbj4
What is the engine on the SUPER WHIPSAW ? D>K H^^
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Terrence,
I dont know what engine is o the Super Whipsaw. Im sure Ken will chime in when he see's your post.
Tom L
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The Super Whipsaw is a neat plane. This plane is using a Fox .15 BB with case pressure. I really enjoy the Fox .15's. 10% nitro and a Thunder Tiger 7 x 4.5 prop. It seems to be proving itself as a good combination. I do have a hiccup in the tank about mid flight. I'm not certain as to why but it's very identifiable. Ken
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Al:
Speaking of memories... there was a clip on YouTube of a fly day when you were a skinny kid. I think Larry was in it, as well as The Butcher, et al. Is that still on YouTube? Do you remember who uploaded it for a search
Yes, I uploaded the video. My father filmed the footage back in the early sixties. Larry, the Butcher and a few other great modelelers are in the video.
https://youtu.be/xosSkRQglwg
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Thanks Al.
I'll download it tonight when I get home from work so I can have it in my virtual scrapbook. Though the memories aren't mine in the clip, I did live and flew CL during that time and I have similar CL memories. Your clip helps me to connect with said memories. Besides, I get to see younger versions of my East Coast Crazies friends therein!
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Thanks for the swell videos Tom. You other guys, where are the pics of the models?