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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Paul Taylor on October 29, 2012, 05:19:38 PM
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I pray all our CL friends in the NE stay safe.
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I pray all our CL friends in the NE stay safe.
Thank you
South Eastern Ontario. 60 mph winds and heavy rain so far, power still on, the eye should be right over us at around 1 am hopefully it will have dissipated a bit by then. To those in it's path you're in my thoughts stay safe.
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Here in the Tidewater my Nats mascot Uni is ready for the Perfect Storm.....
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Thing are ok so far for me here in eastern Mass. Left work early today ~2pm, ride home was fun as my car bounced around in the wind.
Weather channel said we had 67 mph winds here in Bedford.
Probably a lot worse for our friends in NJ and NY - good luck down there guys & gals !!!!
-Chris
ps. My brother down in Long Island is now without power...
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Steve,
Hope your family and uni ride out he storm safe, he is very close to the water
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Yeah, it's pretty bad here in north central Jersey. Not so much rain, but very heavy winds. A tree took out my power line thus AM with no estimate of when I may get it back. Probably looking at several days at the least. Heavy winds predicted until tomorrow afternoon. Working off a generator and my cell phone for internet. Not a lot of fun!
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Around 6 PM last evening I was very puzzled as to why water was pouring out of my kitchen cabinets. The duct for the range hood somehow where it exited the masonry decided that it no longer wanted to shed water. It now conveniently decided it was going to pour out of the range hood. It's always a lot of enjoyment trying to quickly free up that caulk tube of silicone that has the hardened in a emergency. My favorite part is just when you think it's free the back of the tube blows out and silicone is all over. But if that's not enough enjoyment, it's when your on the ladder in 50mph winds trying to balance this exploded mess and you fumble it. Your reaction is to grab it then it goes all down the front of you. On a positive note, I did locate the leak and fortunately although wet, the silicone kept the water out. Ken
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I have a friend in New Jersey I've been talking to. He says that there are lakes out there, but weirdly, he still has power. Not a lot of fun. Based on the pictures, I think Jersey needs better drainage.
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My grandparents on Long Island are without power as of this morning. A couple of my friends who live in Manhattan say their apartment buildings are underwater, the water is contaminated, and no power. I also heard there was a large fire in Queens destroying multiple homes.
Hope everyone is coming out of this ok.
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No power in Manhattan south of 40th street. A huge number of people. The Con Ed power station on 14th Street blew up. There are diagrams of flood planes (????!!!!) in Manhattan. Shocking. But accurate I'm afraid. Zone A got flooded. Subways flooded. The emergency shelters are open and functioning. One building collapsed. I haven't heard of any others. If you have not been to NYC it is difficult to imagine the extent of this damage and the scope of the flooding. Buildings butt up against each other, many very tall, many over a hundred years old. I have an apartment on the Lower East Side of Manhattan where I grew up. My wife is there doing fine, feels it's an adventure. A great spirit. She was expecting an important delivery of books. She's a publisher. So she got caught. The building complex where our apartment is, is without electric power. Which so far means no power for the electric water pumps that circulate water to the apartments. Not a problem so far. People were warned to fill up their bathtubs. Supermarkets are open. Food is available. As is potable water. If you have not been to a city similar to NYC, picture this. The apartment complex is made up of three 21 story sections, 8 apartments to a floor. All ages and different family compositions live in this development. Many elderly. Many young families. Hipster singles. Working stiffs. And so on. No water, no electric power, no heat. There are two of these complexes on a single block.
Fires in Queens.
Friends who live where Manhattan was flooded saw water up to the roof of cars. Bad news. Massive damage to metropolitan services. I read somewhere wherever water (salt water?) touches electrical components they're toast.
I am in Philly in a house that luckily suffered no power outage. I watched a bad football game while the worst was happening on the East Coast. Did some work on a Tanager wing that has been unfinished for 2 years. It's time.
I am in contact with many in NYC. Everyone is coping well. Spirits, so far, good.
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Stay dry, Dennis.
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Lets hope all in the path of that storm survive it. Now I guess I know why I stay where we have tornadoes and ice storms. Take care all you folks in the eastern portion of this country.
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Luckily it's "just" water, could have been a massive snowstorm to boot.
It's surprising that peolpe were killed even with a weeks warning?
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Thanks for the concern.
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I have lived in NYC most of my life. This disaster was unprecedented. Manhattan was never flooded anything like this. Public services have never been out to this extent. I hope the old buildings will dry out and stay up. The 108 year old subway system is a noisy relic that is, nevertheless, a marvelously effective system. Goes everywhere in Manhattan. Out to Queens and Brooklyn. Runs 24 hours a day. Most of the time it is impractical to get anywhere in Manhattan by car. Buses, subways, cabs. People walk a lot in Manhattan, a great recreation, fascinating way to get around, always something to see. Walking plus Public Trans. Even when you can make your way by car, where do you park. Parking fees can be near $50 per day. Folks who have never been, take a look, all kinds of museums, theater, Opera, Dance, places to buy stuff that resemble bazaars, places to buy stuff that are trendy upper crust and exclusive. One ethnic enclave after another. Food. Great meals for $10 or $100 plus dollars. Within three blocks of my apartment you can eat Chinese, Indian, Latin American, Polish, Jewish, French, Irish, Italian, haute cuisine de Diner, grunge bars, tony bars, upscale bars. Buy all kinds of tools. You can even fly control in Flushing Meadows with a NATs Champ. Google says the ride out to Flushing Meadows will take 17 minutes from where I live when in NYC. Good luck on that.
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Thanks for the report, Dennis. We were worried about you folks.
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Just saw the report on the TV news...
My prayers are with all those who right now are helpless.
The images from NYC remainded me of the movie "The Day After Tomorrow", only they were real %^
Marcus
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I am getting set to spend the second night in my service truck. I have been driving around charging up back up batteries for the signal system for the rail road I work for, they are worried about a system crash. I am a heavy equipment mechanic but my service truck has a huge generator/welder on it so I have been pretty busy, hope I never see a wind like tht again. I would love a homecooked meal and a shower right now.LOL,T.J.
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Thanks for your thoughts, prayers and help. Better days ahead.
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I pray that not just all you modelers are safe,but all people involved in "Sandy". I'm sure I speak not only for all the modelers in the Tucson-Phoenix area,but all the clubs in So.Cal.
Bart
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I talked to John and Elaine Miske this morning. They live in Manchester, NJ, which is about 9 miles northeast of Tom's river NJ. Tom's River was hard hit by the hurricane/northeaster.
They told me that many trees were down, and electricity was off, and may be off for up to two weeks. They still have water and natural gas. The oven and hot water heater are natural gas, but require electricity to light the gas. Result? If you don't have electricity, you have no hot water and no oven. They said that a few shingles may have blown off the house, but feel fortunate that they still have a home to stay in.
It has been 3 years since John's second stroke. He can get around the house using a walker, but doesn't drive a car anymore.
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My brother on Long Island says that they will be without power 7-10 days.
As you would expect, gasoline and ice are hard to come by.
-Chris
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I have assembled a few pics of the N.Y.C. subway flooding.
http://hangarflying.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wire&action=display&thread=3934
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I've been fascinated by a show on Discovery channel out here called " Doomsday Preppers "
Its mostly about over fanatical "preppers" who spend alot of time collecting food, preparing bug out bags and having a definitive escape and survival plan. Doomsday Preppers explores the lives of otherwise ordinary Americans who are preparing for the end of the world as we know it. Unique in their beliefs, motivations, and strategies, preppers will go to whatever lengths they can to make sure they are prepared for any of life’s uncertainties.
Initally I started watching it... as a bit of a laugh at social convention and paranoid collectors / hoarders of food. However that only lasted 1 episode - the lengths every day people go to - simply to secure their family will not go without food, water or shelter is admirable.
With the latest disaster to hit - I hope everyone realises that its not the threat of Nuclear War that these people are concerned about - its the Hand of God. He may point his finger to anywhere on the planet at anytime.
I dont think there is anything wrong with making sure you have enough food, water and supplies for a few weeks on hand at any one time.
At first glance you might think these people are simply paranoid, but Katrina, Sally and the Japan Tsunami have proven mother nature can strike at any time.
As the show's slogan says " Are you prepared ? "
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Storm made land fall at 8:00, at 9:00 I walked out in my yard, no rain no wind. The south end of the eye went right through my house, I could have gone flying. What a difference of night and day being on the south side of the storm. Virtually no storm damage in south west jersey.
MM
The eye is the relatively calm part, it's the rotating storm cells that are nasty. Add to that tidal surges and you've got a mess.
Hope everything and everyone gets to normal soon.
Those hoarders aren't so paranoid after all.
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I talked to Larry Scarinzi this afternoon, and he and Ginger are ok. . He lives in Whippany, New Jersey, which is about 14 miles NE of Newark, NJ. Larry has no electricity, but he does have hot water. Last week, the county came and cut down some diseased trees in his front yard. They left one big one that Larry wanted them to cut down, because it could fall down and land on his house. The county said it was healthy, and didn't cut it down. Naturally, the storm blew it down on top of Larry's house. ( Murphy's Law) The county wouldn't come out and remove it from his house because it was on his house! They told him to talk to his insurance agent.
Larry waited for two hours at a gas station yesterday, to fill up his van. He finally got to within 5 cars of the pumps, and the attendant came out and told all of the people that they were out of gas!
It doesn't sound like much fun at all up there.
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One common thing in these types of disasters, lines of cars waiting to fill up AFTER the disaster hits. True, most times you have no warning, but there was about three days where major reports were warning of the possible storm track. That's the time to fill everything up including your gas cans for a generator. And if everything is shut down with no power, where are these people going? Not being critical, just asking. The generator issue is another issue some times. Before long you'll hear about some one being over come by carbon monoxide from running the generator in the house or garage over night. Most people want the generator for refrigeration, and I think the best and most efficient way is to only run it when needed. Run it long enough for your fridge compressor to cycle off, then shut it down. Keep the fridge closed and it should keep things cold and or frozen for 12 to 24 hours. Then run it and let it cycle again. Same thing for the furnace if it's used for that. Run it until things get nice and toasty, then shut it off. Run it again to warm things up. You can make a gallon of gas go a long way that way, and less risk of it running out of gas with a load on it and sometimes that isn't good for electric motors and compressors. Take some tips from the people on the Gulf coast and southern East coast who deal with this situation on a regular basis. They seem to recover from these storm pretty quickly. I would just like to have the money being spent on all the electrical switch gear that has been ruined by the salt water in the storm surge. That is where lots of time is going to be spent rebuilding. Terrible situation all around and hopping for the best for them.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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I talked to Larry Scarinzi this afternoon, and he and Ginger are ok. . He lives in Whippany, New Jersey, which is about 14 miles NE of Newark, NJ. Larry has no electricity, but he does have hot water. Last week, the county came and cut down some diseased trees in his front yard. They left one big one that Larry wanted them to cut down, because it could fall down and land on his house. The county said it was healthy, and didn't cut it down. Naturally, the storm blew it down on top of Larry's house. ( Murphy's Law) The county wouldn't come out and remove it from his house because it was on his house! They told him to talk to his insurance agent.
Larry waited for two hours at a gas station yesterday, to fill up his van. He finally got to within 5 cars of the pumps, and the attendant came out and told all of the people that they were out of gas!
It doesn't sound like much fun at all up there.
De,
Thanks for the info on Larry and Ginger. Doesn't sound like they're having much fun, but at least they are OK. Hope things get back to normal up there soon. I saw a special on TV this afternoon showing trucks dowing loading fuel off of barges and taking it inland because there was no electricity to run pumps...
Another said that the infra structure in that area was so old and weak that it would take much longer than first thought to get things restored to normal.
Randy Cuberly
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The lights are on! On the Lower East Side of NYC. 5 pm Eastern Standard Time. No longer necessary to take the bus uptown for a warm meal. My Iphone is charging in the apartment outlet. Lights in the hallway, up the steps, elevator might be working. Push the lever and toilet flushes.
Below is the neighborhood place where I ate breakfast this morning. Folks were running the lights with a gasoline generator. The Bun stayed with me all day. Not baked through.
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Good news Dennis!
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I thought it would be another week at least. I saw videos of the Con Ed power station blow up when it flooded. 4 days later we're lit.
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Somewhere, somehow, because of or despite who's in the Oval Office, serious public safety troops are getting a job done!
The worst I had in 22 years in Brooklyn, NY, was a transit worker strike that kept 3 million or so union and NON-union people from their jobs for a week or two...
Then there was the time natural gas tanks in NJ blew up. I'd just got off the subway, at my home stop in Bensonhurst... when the BOOM arrived. Smoke looked like a nuke mushroom cloud!
Wasn't...
Then there was the blizzard that shut down my subway line for a few days. The N-train, or #4 train, used to be called the BMT Sea Beach line. It runs in an open trench, below ground level, for a dozen miles or so before entering a true, undergound rail system tunnel.
My whole end of Brooklyn was within 10-15' above sea level at normal highest tide. I imagine there was a bit of flooding there. Bensonhurst, Bay Ridge and Gravesend haven't even been mentioned in the news. Neither have where Sandy went in western NJ, or Pennsylvania, or States north and west of central PA. Our newsies live in and near Manhattan, nothing else matters. Er, well, yeah, the PATH line to Hoboken, NJ... Nice pix of the flooded station entrances...
They'll rebound, though. ... Soon, too.
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I have lived thru floods, ice/snow storms and gas shortages. I recent years when a gas shortage was rumored, I was on my way to Topeka KS for a club meeting. Long lines of cars at the stations in my area. In Topeka one station no long lines. I filled up as I was on quarter tank. Asked the attendent about the so called gas shortage. He blamed the media, all of it. His station had not raised prices yet as he said there was planty of gas. Not too many left to remember the 51 floods of the KC area. I was not old enough to work the clean up like my brothers and dad. The ice/snow storms of a few years ago watching transformer blowing up and that portion of the city going dark. At the office I worked the midnight shift was on emergency power and waiting for a delivery of diesel fuel to top off the tanks. Had enough fuel to last several days. But, we managed thru all those times with help from neighbors and helping neighbors. One side of street had power, our side was dead, no electricity. If the media would get out of the way I beleive the people of the NE will make it. I see ads on TV telling how to donate to Red Cross. Not me as I seen how Red Cross works after our neighborhood was flooded the other side of Argenteen Blvd was flooded out. Local neighbers with row boats getting them to dry land. But, humans will survive thru it all.
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We finally started running thru freights on Thursday afternoon the going is slow because a lot of crossings have no power and actually are being flagged by hand for the first time since the 50's but I admit I got a little misty hearing that first whistle blow after all the work we did to get the railroad up and running again . Baby wipes are a great invention but that first warm shower Thursday afternoon felt like a million bucks. Gob Bless this mess. T.J.
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Somewhere, somehow, because of or despite who's in the Oval Office, serious public safety troops are getting a job done!
The worst I had in 22 years in Brooklyn, NY, was a transit worker strike that kept 3 million or so union and NON-union people from their jobs for a week or two...
Then there was the time natural gas tanks in NJ blew up. I'd just got off the subway, at my home stop in Bensonhurst... when the BOOM arrived. Smoke looked like a nuke mushroom cloud!
Wasn't...
Then there was the blizzard that shut down my subway line for a few days. The N-train, or #4 train, used to be called the BMT Sea Beach line. It runs in an open trench, below ground level, for a dozen miles or so before entering a true, undergound rail system tunnel.
My whole end of Brooklyn was within 10-15' above sea level at normal highest tide. I imagine there was a bit of flooding there. Bensonhurst, Bay Ridge and Gravesend haven't even been mentioned in the news. Neither have where Sandy went in western NJ, or Pennsylvania, or States north and west of central PA. Our newsies live in and near Manhattan, nothing else matters. Er, well, yeah, the PATH line to Hoboken, NJ... Nice pix of the flooded station entrances...
They'll rebound, though. ... Soon, too.
It could have been ALOT worse had it been colder. When the storm blew through West Virginia the higher elev. caused blizzard conditions and 3 ft. of snow. 20 ft waves in the Great Lakes also. Luckily, Hurricanes dissipate as the go inland.
Hopefully NYC and NJ will rebuild better and update their infrastructure.
I gotta say, very few disasters compare to the devastation of a F5 Tornado.
Here's Moore, OK in 1993. This used to be a 2 ton pickup truck!
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Following the link to view some before and after pictures of the NJ coast line.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/specials/hurricane-sandy-before-after-photos/
Mike
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My Mom and Dad in Hopewell, NJ still don't have power. Dad spends his days scrounging gas for the generator so they have heat at night.