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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Bill Burton on September 26, 2015, 08:12:14 AM
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I wonder how many model designs have utilized the Nobler wing?
BB
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I wonder how many model designs have utilized the Nobler wing?
BB
I know the Strathmore was published with a Nobler wing.
I think the Legacy is an enlarged Nobler wing.
I built 2 RC's with Nobler wings and they flew quite well.
Rex
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I think there was an R/C Nobler kit?
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I do believe the Legacy wing comes from the Bob Hunt Genesis and not a Nobler.
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I've built 4 planes using Legacy wing ribs from Brodak. I had such good luck with my first kit Legacy, I decided to keep using that wing design. Also, the Brodak wing ribs are accurately cut with good wood. Saves a bunch of time and frustration.
Floyd
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I'm pretty sure Tom Jolley's Midget Mustang used a Nobler wing - in fact, I've heard suggestions that it was little more than a kit-bashed Green Box Nobler!
Regards
John
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The Nobler wing has been the foundation for many stunt ships since it first appeared on the scene.I know that Bob Gialdini's Olympic used the Nobler wing very competitively. Now,normally, I wouldn't have much more to say, except the Legacy Wing has been mentioned.
I worked with Allen designing the Legacy. I did the drawings and helped with items that were added. let me go back to the beginning.
It was 1999, or 2000 I received a call from John Brodak. He had been trying to kit one of Allen's designs. He was ,most interested in the Buccaneer series. There was a problem as they had been kitted down in Texas, and the kit maker,wouldn't release the rights to another kit maker, even though they had ceased production, and were not planing on ever kitting it, or any other CL planes again. They had switched over to RC.
John asked me if I could work with Allen on a new design, one that took off from the Buccaneer, specifically, the larger of the two versions. This idea seemed to have a good chance. I knew Allen pretty good from my days flying, and competing in the Midwest. It also helped that I had one of the larger Buccaneer kits.
It was interesting, helping the designer, put together a new design, over the telephone. As with several of the parts, we would share our ideas and Allen would make the decision on which way we would go.
The wing was designed this way.
Allen gave me the wingspan, root and tip chords, areas of the wing, and flaps.
I took these numbers, and entered them into my then, new to me, lofting program, Compufoil. I entered the airfoil, the NASA 0018 4 digit airfoil. I used the 18 percent as when the flaps were added, it worked out to a 16% foil.
I set the lead-out sweep, and several other parameters, and the basic wing was done.
The only reason some may see the Nobler, or Genesis wing is that they all likely share the same basic NACA 4 diget airfoil.
It certainly has worked out well for the Legacy, and goes a way to show us the merits of some of the simpler airfoil.
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In Bob Gialdini's 1963 article on the evolution of the Olympic Mk VI he says "I began the original Olympic in 1957 from a Nobler ... Her size was easy to handle and as for airfoils I used the stock Nobler 17% wing." He went to 18% for the larger Mk VI (19% at tip). This is the classic "barbells" design theory article. I fly a Ml VI in Classic (Brodak kit) and like it a lot. He achieved his design goals.
Nice to learn where the Legacy came from. I fly a e-powered full size Legacy and have wondered about the history of the design. Clearly not a Nobler though, even to a casual observer. So, did Bob Hunt have any input, even indirectly? Bob probably has "indirect" influence on every Stunt design inked in the last 40 years so presumably "yes."
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I've heard it said that if you take any competition stunter and sand it enough, a Nobler will appear. ;)
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I've heard it said that if you take any competition stunter and sand it enough, a Nobler will appear. ;)
Dick I imagine you are pretty much dead on.
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John. Who was the company in Texas?
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Before Al Brickhaus passed I asked him at a Brodak Flyin' how the Legacy came to be, he told me it was a modified Dreadnaught. And then he pulled out his photo album of all the planes he designed. Good times looking back at some of the ships I remember from the early days of PAMPA Stunt News.
Bob
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Now the question is...WHICH Nobler wing was copied the most? I understand there were three iteration from George Aldrich plus the one from Bob Gieseke.
George
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Now the question is...WHICH Nobler wing was copied the most? I understand there were three iteration from George Aldrich plus the one from Bob Gieseke.
George
Probably the thickest one with the most blunt LE. Just a guest.
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I would think the '57 Green Box kit form Top Flite was the most used wing. I know of two designs that used that wing: Dick Mathis' Chizler (He said in the article you could use the kit wing) and Louis Grondal's AMA Special (he told me he used a kit to make that one).
BIG Bear
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