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Offline Jim Pollock

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Income needed to fly models
« on: May 27, 2010, 03:32:57 PM »
I'm very curious, what income is considered adequate for model airplane flying?
My income is $2,000.00 a month and have an $800 house mortgage.  I don't have
enough income to eat the second half of the month, let alone fly a model at
any contest, even as close as Atlanta!

Jim Pollock, looking for some work, somewhere?

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2010, 05:06:23 PM »
Well, you can get thirty-two 4oz tankfuls out of a gallon of fuel (128oz). If you put in 4 flights per session, that would last 8 sessions. If you fly 2x a week, that gallon would last you 4 weeks. ($18 for the gallon of fuel). You might need a prop or a glow plug now and then. ($3 prop, $6 glow plug). So maybe you spend $27 per month fuel, props, glow plug.

A set of lines per season would cost say $15. Make your own handle, or buy one for $15. Keep shop costs down and get a flite streak ARF ($60) or super clown ARF ($70). Engine say OS LA-S 25 for $80. Let's say you run the model and engine for 2 years before replacing. That's $75 per year for the pair.

For a 6 month season then you spend $252, which is $90 plus 6 months of $27 per month. Or, $42 per month for your 6 month of flying.


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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2010, 06:30:52 PM »
I am sure they will be looking for someone to mop up the beaches down in the gulf. I heard last time they paid people 30 bucks an hour to do that.

That should get you some play money. If not move into a smaller house with a bigger shop. LL~
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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2010, 09:35:44 PM »
Well, I guess I missed the point (again). I guess on top of your basic cost of living you've got your minimum cost of flying plus what it costs to get there and back to a contest, plus any overnight stay, food. etc. Which ain't easy on a limited budget. Am I getting closer?

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2010, 10:27:09 PM »
I haven't flown since 1975, but I remember too well taking the mortgage payment to pay for gas, entry fees and lunch at contests that were a couple of hours away.  I had a wife, 4 kids, a mortgage and a car payment and I was earning $165 a week.  The mortgage was $136 and my car loan was $97.90.  I got totally crazy and bought a new 25 ft travel trailer so I could take the family to far away contests.  I absolutely lived for competition and it took priority over everything.  I figured $100 to scratch out a plane and fuel was about $10 a gallon.  Those were the days.  I wouldn't trade them for anything. 

So, here I am, 35 years later, semi-retired, on the edge of starting all over again.  I have been collecting engines and kits and have stocked my shop with new equipment.  Tonight I scored a Top Flite Gieseke Nobler kit on eBay.  The kit is complete but around 30 years old.  I do hope I can still fly a pattern. :-\

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2010, 01:25:48 AM »
Hello Jim,
  I know where you are coming from, I had to retire at 59 because of illness. My pension income is perhaps $1500 and I get a payment from the government of around $600. I don't have a mortgage but my house tax is $150 a month, so I have just under $2000 a month income. My wife has retired from teaching but her pension is very small because she started to teach late in life. She does some part time teaching to help out. I live in UK and the cost of living is much higher (think £ for $ and you are about right). The £ is about $1.45 now so you can see that we in the UK are worse off! The one good thing is that we have virtually free health care, if I had to pay US health care costs, I would be broke by now.
  I manage to indulge in model making and flying, but like you, it isn't easy. There are relatively few contests in UK and venues are closer together, but if you think fuel costs are high in the US, try buying gas here in the UK! A very rough calculation gives gas prices about 5 times more than in the US.
  A lot of us flyers are getting on in years and I suspect that we all suffer from the low pension syndrome. It amazes me how many people manage!

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2010, 02:38:50 AM »
I've just watched Michael Moore's film "Capitalism" (A love affair) If it is to be believed, I didn't realize how bad things were in the U.S.!
Like Andrew I live in the England, and we have a new government, and it looks like they are going to hit the middle Englishman/woman (ME!) with higher taxes. I fly for fun these days, and over the years I've collected enough clobber! kits, wood, odds'n'sods etc, to keep me out of model shops for a long time! (sorry model shops ;D) glue and blades and fuel are about all I buy these days!

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2010, 05:02:32 AM »
I've just watched Michael Moore's film "Capitalism" (A love affair) If it is to be believed,

DO NOT, REPEAT: DO NOT, EVER BELIEVE ANYTHING FROM MICAHEL MOORE AND HIS ILK IN HOLLYWOOD!!!!!!

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2010, 05:22:20 AM »
Jim,

The Atlanta contest is not an expensive one. You can manage it with one nights stay in a local hotel. Tom doesn't start his contest till mid day so that people can use Saturday morning for travel. That saves you about $60.00.  With a your tight budget you will not have much money for flying. So find a way to enhance your budget. In the old days that meant part time work like pumping gas. That opportunity is now gone. So perhaps you should check out Wal-Mart. They seem to have lots of part time seniors in there stores. Finding a travel buddy would also help.

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2010, 05:34:17 AM »
I've just watched Michael Moore's film "Capitalism" (A love affair) If it is to be believed, I didn't realize how bad things were in the U.S.!
Like Andrew I live in the England, and we have a new government, and it looks like they are going to hit the middle Englishman/woman (ME!) with higher taxes. I fly for fun these days, and over the years I've collected enough clobber! kits, wood, odds'n'sods etc, to keep me out of model shops for a long time! (sorry model shops ;D) glue and blades and fuel are about all I buy these days!

Cheers     Neville

I watched Michael Moore's first two propaganda films, "Roger & Me" and "Pets or Meat", because they were made around here and they were about my industry.

Conclusion: Totally false !  Nothing but lies designed to pander to malcontent idiots.  He tells the masses what they want to hear.  His humor, which acts as a sugar coating for the poison, is amusing in a nasty way.
Lots of people (as a knee jerk reaction) dislike their boss.  So he ridicules the boss.

Question:  Here's a company that builds and sells 8 million vehicles per year and employs 1 million workers.
The government throws open the ports to unlimited foreign products built with no unions, no taxes, no safety standards, no affirmative action, and no law suits.   These offshore products cost a fraction of domestic production cost.
So sales decline and layoffs and plant closings follow?
Whose fault is it?
Should the auto companies have kept all the plants open and continued to employ everybody by magically creating the money?

In reality, the management of the American auto industry were out-and-out financial geniuses and wizards by going broke in 2010 under Obama instead of 1979 under Carter.  Every other US industry had gone offshore long ago.

Michael Moore is fighting words in these here parts.
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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2010, 07:27:38 AM »
Well it has been over five years since I took the retirement incentive the telephone company gave me.  Had to wait until February after my 62nd birthday for SS.  If things had stayed status quo at the time I would be in seventh heaven.  But, gas started going  up.  Utilities started going up(gas, water, lights).  The people that have my house decided my house payments weren't enough beause of insurance rates.  Have the lowest rate I can find.  Can't even replace the fence and equipment the tree tore up from a storm.  And this old body keeps telling me I am not 16 anymore.  So my crossing duty at the grade school is what pays for my modeling.  But the school year just ended.  Every place I go they ask about my age.  Would love to get my old position back at the Neighbor Hood Market of Wally World.  They keep telling me they are not hiring but, everytime I go in there to shop there is new people.  If I don't go anywhere I can make it fine.  Also if I could get al the kids to pay rent for a roof over  their head that would help.  Oldest daughter and three grandkids moving back in.  So I guess we are all in the same boat until the country itself goes broke. R%%%%
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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2010, 08:26:12 AM »
Paul, why is it the only people making the big bucks, are the big banks that got us into this mess, and have been saved by mine and your taxes?
We have to come to the realization sooner or later that this planet is not run for you and me, its not even run by the governments we vote for, its the rich and powerful that hold all the cards!

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2010, 09:33:01 AM »
My problem is different than you guys.  I retired from the United States Naval Reserve in 1996 (21 years) and teaching in the public schools in 1996 (31 years).  I had worked some summers at different jobs from cemetary mowing foreman to Wards auto department to checking electric lines for the local electric company.  By 2000, my retirement income was enough to live on.  My house and cars are paid for. My before tax income is as follows:  Teacher retirement: $3600 per month, military retirement: $400+ per month plus Tricare military health coverage to back up Medicare and free  prescriptions on the Army Base at Leavenworth, KS., Social Security after Medicare deduction: $44 per month (plus $300 to $600 interest income, depending where my investments are at the time....CD's, money markets, etc.)  That totals about $4400 per month plus, between my wife's Social Security and her home business, she gets about $2300 per month.  She takes care of her own expenses and that is a plus.  My shop is stocked with 50 kits, mostly stunt/combat types and well over 100 engines.  NOW THE PROBLEM......MY HEALTH.  YOU CAN HAVE PLENTY OF RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THIS GREAT HOBBY, BUT IF YOUR HEALTH IS BAD, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.  MY PRIMARY PROBLEM IS OSTEOARTHRITIS IN MY KNEES AND RIGHT SHOULDER.  THE PAIN IS TERRIBLE 24 HOURS A DAY.  I CANNOT TAKE THE EFFECTIVE PAIN KILLERS BECAUSE OF A PROBLEM WITH INTERNAL BLEEDING WHICH PUT ME IN THE HOSPITAL LAST SUMMER.  I STILL BUILD SOME AND HOPE TO FLY SOME BUT THE PAIN I LIVE WITH EVERY DAY IS VERY DIFFICULT TO OVERCOME.  TAKE CARE OF YOUR HEALTH.............ACTUALLY, WITHOUT IT NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.  MANY OF US DON'T REALIZE THIS BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.   H^^

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DO NOT, REPEAT: DO NOT, EVER BELIEVE ANYTHING FROM MICAHEL MOORE AND HIS ILK IN HOLLYWOOD!!!!!!
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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2010, 10:38:59 AM »
Hi Terrence,
  I know where your coming from too! I have a muscle wasting disease and need morphine twice daily to contain the pain. I can still manage most jobs with a little lateral thinking, but large F2b stunters are almost out nowadays. Best thing to do is keep smiling but more importantly keep flying!

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2010, 10:41:23 AM »
Terrence, I have to agree with your sentiments on health! This time last year I was very fit, since Autumn last year my health went down hill rapidly, 'til it was discovered that I had a serious illness a couple of weeks ago! Since last year I haven't had the energy to build anything new, or to do anything for that matter! Hopefully I'll be back to good health sometime? with a lot of luck and a prevailing wind! ;D

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2010, 12:06:55 PM »
 I have been on low income for a longtime for many reasons that no one cares about,BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO THINGS THAT REQUIRES MONEY YOU NEED TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT AT HOME. I went to Brodak a few years ago and enjoyed it a lot.But how was I going to do this again? I started a business at home flipping bikes. I bought them at thrift shops and Craig's List. I repaired them and resold them on CL. I made enough money to take four trips to the south west in the last five years. I gave up  Brodak as that was all about me. Rebecca and I like doing things together and sitting around all day at a CL contest is not a vacation for her. She is a pretty good CL flyer and she went to many contests in the past with me. Thirty years ago I built fully sheeted I- beam wings that were all sold in Europe. I reworked motors when almost no one was doing it. Eight years ago I was a reseller of Hi End audio equipment on CL. The point is you need to find a home income that is not seen by the IRS. Cash in hand only.E/Bay works but it requires a lot of time. This is not about me but maybe about getting some to think about ways to make income. 
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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2010, 04:04:21 PM »
Well lucky you. I get less than 2k a month and don't really have a home. presently at mom's house taking care of her. When she passes I'll go back to living in an rv.

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2010, 05:38:17 PM »
My income isn't too great and my situation has been made worse by some of my decisions including some stupid debt.  I recently had accumulated enough money for a new cl plane and was trying to decide which one when my wife's car broke down. Oh well.  At least we had money to fix the car.
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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2010, 07:00:16 PM »
The point is you need to find a home income that is not seen by the IRS. Cash in hand only.

Let's hope there isn't an IRS agent C/L enthusiast on this board. S?P

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2010, 08:26:07 PM »
Paul, why is it the only people making the big bucks, are the big banks that got us into this mess, and have been saved by mine and your taxes?

Cheers    Neville

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2010, 01:40:28 AM »
Paul, I've never lived beyond my means either! I have no mortgage or loans! Yes the banks did give money out willy nilly, but they also speculated on Countries that never paid anything back! I have no sympathy with the banks at all! Remember the Barings banks fiasco?
Quite a few banks in my country have been propped up with my hard earned taxes! and now the b@*&$ds are still going to give themselves huge bonuses! while I struggle on with the same wage I've had for 8 years! Now see what you started Jim!!! LL~

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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2010, 03:31:29 AM »
Paul, I've never lived beyond my means either! I have no mortgage or loans! Yes the banks did give money out willy nilly, but they also speculated on Countries that never paid anything back! I have no sympathy with the banks at all! Remember the Barings banks fiasco?
Quite a few banks in my country have been propped up with my hard earned taxes! and now the b@*&$ds are still going to give themselves huge bonuses! while I struggle on with the same wage I've had for 8 years! Now see what you started Jim!!! LL~

Cheers Neville

In my opinion, some banks have done some pretty stupid things with other peoples' money.  When the banking crises in the US happened a while back, my impression was to let them fail.  In retrospect, the bankers themselves would probably not have suffered much from the failure.  It would have been a huge headache for depositors, and taxpayer money would have been used to cover the federally insured deposits.  (The rich guys would have still been rich and the taxpayers would still have been screwed.)  I have no problem with banks and bankers making money, but I think at some point "interest" becomes "theft" and should be treated as theft.  I also think there may need to be some sort of limits on the kinds of risks that a bank can take with deposited money.

A corporation based in a town near where I live became one of the biggest in the respective industry.  It then got into money trouble. It's stock crashed.  It went bankrupt, and finally was bought out by a foreign interest.  Many people lost jobs or had to relocate.  The former head of the company had a new Hawker bussiness jet delivered this week.

An American company sold to foreign interests, many employees and stock holders screwed, and the "fat cat" walks away with a new jet.
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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2010, 04:35:58 AM »
I guess i aint the only one who is flying with no money! I have a long list of illness including heart failure. I have had no income for many years, and we live on my wifes very small income. We have no insurance, no doctor, no medicine. I waited to long to file for SSI and now dont qualify because its been to long since i worked. We are paying for a modest home and three of us are supported on 150-200 bucks a week.

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2010, 06:01:58 AM »
DO NOT, REPEAT: DO NOT, EVER BELIEVE ANYTHING FROM MICAHEL MOORE AND HIS ILK IN HOLLYWOOD!!!!!!

Hollywood folks deal in fantasy. That, after all, is what making a movie is all about. Unfortunately, with a very few exceptions, those folks live in a world of fantasy and cannot separate it from reality. When they spill their world of fantasy over into real life, they must be ignored.

Michael Moore is one of the penultimate capitalists.  Borrow lots of money.  Implement an idea.  Use it to sell lots of things.  Make lots of money.  Repeat.

He does have this tiny blind spot that what he is doing is not capitalistic.  Funny how such a smart guy can suffer so much cognitive dissonance(Believing one thing and doing the exact opposite).  I'd get a headach.!
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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2010, 06:04:45 AM »
I'm very curious, what income is considered adequate for model airplane flying?
My income is $2,000.00 a month and have an $800 house mortgage.  I don't have
enough income to eat the second half of the month, let alone fly a model at
any contest, even as close as Atlanta!

Jim Pollock, looking for some work, somewhere?

Depends on the type of models you want to fly Jim.  I can build a handlaunch glider for ~$5 and fly every day for just about zilch.  A scale F-15 with twin turbos costs a bit more.
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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2010, 06:47:32 AM »
At the risk of being laughed out of this discussion, 1/2A flying can be just as rewarding at about 1/10 the cost of bigger models.  These days many 1/2A models fly extremely well, use lines up to 50' long, burn maybe an ounce or so of fuel/flight, don't totally self-destruct in a crash, etc., etc.  Get an AP Wasp .061 (I know, I know, it ain't officially 1/2A), Spiderwire fishing line for lines, buy a nice kit for $30-$40 or build from plans using $10 worth of wood, finish it for many factors less with rattlecan paint, and fly to your heart's content. An APC prop is about $2. A gallon of fuel lasts me 2 seasons.  I get wheels off toy cars at the Dollar Store, 25 cents each ain't bad for wheels. Use party balloons for fuel tanks, 35mm film canisters (free at any place that still develops film) for containers for the balloons.  Coat hanger wire works great for pushrods as long as there are no bends in it (other than the ends). There are ways to fly really cheap.
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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2010, 11:25:50 AM »
It's not too bad if you build your planes from scratch, get your motors by low bids on ebay, and have a really great friend named Keith who's into R/C and saves all his left-over fuel[for you] and also mixes you fuel for cut rate prices!! ;D I have about $3,500 income, but will lose a chunk of that when my youngest gets 16[at which time my wife and daughter will be subtracted] so, even though I can barely make my payments, I can still fly my planes......as was said by another ret. vet: I'm more worried about my health and am actually living on borrowed time! Guess what that payment is! :##  H^^
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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2010, 11:57:40 AM »
It depends a lot on your goals. A good interim goal is to achieve and maintain competitiveness at local contests in an appropriate PAMPA class, plus Classic Stunt. With a good engine, many classic legal designs are competitive in any stunt event. This lets you fly 2 events at one contest with the same plane. Each official flight becomes a practice flight for the next official.

Some good designs (among many) include the Nobler, Smoothie, Oriental, Skylark, Skylark II, Pegasus, Thunderbird and Thunderbird II. Designs with fuselage mounted gear sometimes build faster, lighter and are more rugged vs. those with wing mounted gear. Trike gear models usually build heavier and are not as "stooge friendly" as tail draggers.

Build it from a kit or ARC/ARF (if available). It's faster and costs less, even if you have to replace some wood and hardware. Finish it with an iron film. I still like Monokote, but some local guys have switched to Ultracoat. If you paint the fuselage, use spray can Lustrekote over a brushed nitrate or butyrate dope base (or brush finish the whole fuselage with silkspan and butyrate dope).   

Use an OS FP .35, .40 or LA .46 (the .46 is my favorite, needs 4.5 to 5 oz. of fuel per pattern). Buy a good handle like a Big D or the new Brodak handle and have at least 2 sets of lines (one for back up). You may have to replace the lines after a season or 2, but a good handle will last for years or even decades. A .35 to .46 powered classic rig can be locally competitive against hi-zoot .60 to .75 powered models, while costing only slightly more than a .25 size model.

The smaller .25 powered model, though fun to fly and easier on fuel, will probably not be competitive against the larger models. However, it's an excellent choice if casual sport and fun flying is your goal. A LA .25 powered ARF Flite Streak makes a good warm up and "dust off" model at the beginning of the season, or anytime you just don't feel like flying a larger plane. If you plan on flying it in the P-40 event, modify it with 2-wheel main gear, 2 inch dia. wheels and a stooge friendly tail wheel or skid. That makes it much easier to fly off the grass circles usually assigned to this event.

Expect to spend $500 to get up and running with a benchmark setup: good flying "forty size" model, reliable engine, handle, lines, stooge and field box (cheap fishing tackle box) with fueling syringe, plug liter, 4-way wrench and other basic tools. Once this is achieved, work on getting a back up engine and "the next model".

Avoid crashing. It's expensive! If things don't feel right, don't force the issue. I've seen models splattered and even engines destroyed in crashes. As long as you land with the model intact, there is always "the next flight". Once you have achieved solid footing on the above "plateau", find ways to earn or save extra cash so you can maintain it and possibly look at putting together a more up-scale rig. Good Luck! EWP     

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2010, 12:53:50 PM »
 Having just retired in February of this year I offer a few comments on how I did it.
  I planned for my retirement, hobbywise, from the time I was a kid. I have enjoyed the hobby since childhood and spent lots on it over the years and managed to accumulate a good pile of stuff to keep me going for the rest of my natural life.
  Financially, excluding sickness or forced retirement, never retire if you have house,car or other large ongoing expenses. You all know how life still manages to keep hitting you even after you 'retire'
  Competing should be an option, it is not a requirement to enjoy this hobby, I certainly will never enter a contest but that is my choice.Your not supposed to impoverish yourself on the hobby and then tell yourself your having fun.
  To fly for your own enjoyment is relatively cheap. After all it's a hobby and you do it at your own pace. Remember life is exciting when your expecting something, not when you have achieved it. So set a goal to build that model that defines your modelling career and go for it. Take your time and enjoy it, fly a hack if you have to, help a kid or someone else in the hobby, that will keep your interest up.
Trade stuff, Marvin Denny has the biggest junk pile that I've never seen, and I'm determined to see and and do some serious swapping, no money, I'm retired, I'm now cheap.
 We are an ageing lot and most of us are going to experience a lot of the circumstances that many are going through now. Hobbies are supposed to help you by controlling stress and providing some pleasure to our lives, It is not supposed to be another major irritant .
 

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2010, 01:18:46 PM »
Just in case anyone is feeling sorry for themselves because they "can't fly", go read Walt Musciano's bio on the AMA website.  Basically, he ran away from an orphanage at age 11 or so because they wouldn't let him build models, and lived -- and built models -- on the streets of New York city.  He had a satchel with a change of cloths, a building board, a knife, some glue, and a stash of balsa.  Granted, he had some nice people helping out, but I'll bet it still wasn't easy.

His priorities may have been different from those of a lot of other folk, but he sure had them straight in his mind!

(Oh -- and he grew up to be the chief engineer of a shipbuilding firm, in no small part because of the skills he learned from designing and building his own model airplanes).
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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2010, 01:21:26 PM »
Very well put Dennis.  Everyone has there ups and downs but the important thing is to enjoy the hobby.  I think sometimes we only consider those competing as being in the hobby.  There are a lot more flyers out here than you hear about.  In our little local club we have 30-something members but only 4 or 5 are on this forum.  Thats a pretty small percentage.

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Re: Income needed to fly models
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2010, 03:25:50 PM »
Just in case anyone is feeling sorry for themselves because they "can't fly", go read Walt Musciano's bio on the AMA website.  Basically, he ran away from an orphanage at age 11 or so because they wouldn't let him build models, and lived -- and built models -- on the streets of New York city.  He had a satchel with a change of cloths, a building board, a knife, some glue, and a stash of balsa.  Granted, he had some nice people helping out, but I'll bet it still wasn't easy.

His priorities may have been different from those of a lot of other folk, but he sure had them straight in his mind!

(Oh -- and he grew up to be the chief engineer of a shipbuilding firm, in no small part because of the skills he learned from designing and building his own model airplanes).

If I remember Walt's biography. His supervisor was impressed by the fact that he drew in ink and not pencil . That in itself would have got my attention.
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