FAI F2B U. S Team Trials 2011

[RandySmith]

Hello All

FYI
 
The 2011  U.S. Team Trials for F2B will be held at the Muncie AMA site L-Pad on Sept 8-12th
Thurs Sept. 8th Practice
Friday 9th Sept  Pilots Meeting TBA
Sat. Sept 10th Qualifying
Sun 11 Sept  Finals top ten

Regards

Randy Smith

 

[John Leidle]

  Thanks Randy.

[BillLee]

Randy, do you know who will be the contest director?

Bill

[RandySmith]

Randy, do you know who will be the contest director?

Bill

Hi Bill

That is not 100% settled yet, I will know a little later

Randy

[Matt Colan]

Hello All

FYI
 
The 2011  U.S. Team Trials for F2B will be held at the Muncie AMA site L-Pad on Sept 8-12th
Thurs Sept. 8th Practice
Friday 9th Sept  Pilots Meeting TBA
Sat. Sept 10th Qualifying
Sun 11 Sept  Finals top ten

Regards

Randy Smith

 

This is the week after Labor Day weekend right?

[Dick Pacini]

Labor Day is the 5th this year. 

[frank williams]

Randy,
What was the vote?  Were there just two bids, Muncie and Tucson?

[Brett Buck]

Randy,
What was the vote?  Were there just two bids, Muncie and Tucson?

 Bergen County, NJ, too.

   I will try to restrain my utter and complete astonishment that Muncie was chosen. And with nothing but a date, too, amazing!

     Brett

[John Sunderland]

Bergen County, NJ, too.

   I will try to restrain my utter and complete astonishment that Muncie was chosen. And with nothing but a date, too, amazing!

     Brett

Sheesh...guess that answers that question.

[Howard Rush]

I'm looking forward to attending the Treetown contest on the way.  Randy, how soon can we use the L-pad for practice?  I hope to be there Monday. 

[BillLee]

Won't speak for Randy .....

Looking at the AMA Calendar for the NAC, it shows a couple of things, some no problem, some at least a bit of a concern.

• The F2B Team Trials are listed ONLY for Sept 8-9 and not for Sept 10-11.
• There is an event "Flying Aces Outdoor Champions" scheduled for the same days (8-9). Given that that is a Free Flight event, I would expect conflict with their flights anywhere else on the site depending on wind direction.
• The Calendar shows Wynn Paul as the CD.
• There is nothing shown at the NAC Monday-Wednesday preceding, so my guess is that practice on the L-pad and elsewhere would be allowed.

.

Bill

(NAC: National Aeromodeling Center)

[RandySmith]

Randy,
What was the vote?  Were there just two bids, Muncie and Tucson?

Hi Frank

There were 3 legitimate bids, Muncie was the first one put in last October, then Tucson and New Jersey, Muncie won with 7 votes. Everything was done in accordance to the AMA Book on how these get done, the post above about Muncie having only a date and trying to insinuate wrong doing is false. If anything was stretched , it was to go beyond the cutoff date and allows more bids to be placed, which we did.

The site is already approved for Sept 8-11 as I stated, I will look into the Post Bill Lee wrote about dates.

The flying is good for Thursday thru Sunday with Monday a Rain day if needed, I will check into whether or not we can get there any earlier than Thursday for flights

Regards
Randy

[Brett Buck]

• There is an event "Flying Aces Outdoor Champions" scheduled for the same days (8-9). Given that that is a Free Flight event, I would expect conflict with their flights anywhere else on the site depending on wind direction.

   We have had free flight contest simultaneously with the TT several times before, and it was not much of a problem. Even when they flew from essentially across the street (just east of the parking lot, between the L-pad and the farmhouse). I actually enjoyed that. The big risk would be that we all think that looked neater than stunt and we all convert to FF!

    Brett

[Brett Buck]

Sheesh...guess that answers that question.

   There was never any real question about it, I think we had already made our motel reservations. And don't get me wrong, Muncie is an excellent site for such a thing (it's a lot better for a TT than a NATs, that's for sure). But most of the voters don't have to haul their butts 6000 miles (round trip) even once.

   Brett

[Ted Fancher]

   We have had free flight contest simultaneously with the TT several times before, and it was not much of a problem. Even when they flew from essentially across the street (just east of the parking lot, between the L-pad and the farmhouse). I actually enjoyed that. The big risk would be that we all think that looked neater than stunt and we all convert to FF!

    Brett

I did get a refly one time when a FF DT'd into the circle.  Don't recall if it was a TT or a Nats.

Ted

[RandySmith]

"Looking at the AMA Calendar for the NAC, it shows a couple of things, some no problem, some at least a bit of a concern.

The F2B Team Trials are listed ONLY for Sept 8-9 and not for Sept 10-11."



I have confirmed these dates Again , that I posted with the AMA. The dates are good 8th - 11 with the 12th Monday being a Rain date if needed.
I had confirmed the dates before I posted the first time so nothing has changed on the dates.
I do not anticipate any problem with the Free Flighters

Regards
Randy

[Terry Bernard]

   There was never any real question about it, I think we had already made our motel reservations. And don't get me wrong, Muncie is an excellent site for such a thing (it's a lot better for a TT than a NATs, that's for sure). But most of the voters don't have to haul their butts 6000 miles (round trip) even once.

   Brett

The farthest anyone in the continental United States could drive to Muncie is 2455 miles from Neah Bay Washington. Only an over statement of 18%. Not bad for terrestrial distances. Maybe you could work on it and try to improve the accuracy enough to figure out when the "Big One" will hit us.   

Terry

[Brett Buck]

I did get a refly one time when a FF DT'd into the circle.  Don't recall if it was a TT or a Nats.

 Hey, would you stand upwind with a Comet "Sparky" in case I blow my square 8?

   Brett

[RC Storick]

Hey, would you stand upwind with a Comet "Sparky" in case I blow my square 8?

   Brett

[Crist Rigotti]

Hey, would you stand upwind with a Comet "Sparky" in case I blow my square 8?

   Brett

That's a good one! 

[Bill Little]

Wrong *Sparky* I believe!    I do believe Brett is referring to the Comet FF kit of the "Sparky".  (maybe not??)

Bill

[RandySmith]

Hey, would you stand upwind with a Comet "Sparky" in case I blow my square 8?

   Brett

I believe Howard may put it this way..... "Dirty deeds done dirt cheap"   

Randy

[Terry Bernard]

Wrong *Sparky* I believe!    I do believe Brett is referring to the Comet FF kit of the "Sparky".  (maybe not??)

Bill

The Comet is an old time FF model.  (see pict)

"Sparky" refers to spark ignition


Terry

[Mike Keville]

Actually, the Comet Sparky is a 32" wingspan rubber-powered cabin design.

[Brett Buck]

Actually, the Comet Sparky is a 32" wingspan rubber-powered cabin design.

  Precisely. I have a kit for one in the stack of vitally important projects that I will never get to.

   Brett

[PerttiMe]

Need kit or plan?

http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=12859&page=215&newlist=1

http://volarlibremente.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/comet-sparky.jpg

[Balsa Butcher]

I'm not entering but if I did the most appopriate free flight design to launch during my pattern attempt would be a Midwest "Fubar". 

[Ted Fancher]

Hey, would you stand upwind with a Comet "Sparky" in case I blow my square 8?

   Brett

anything for you , Brett!

[Don Hutchinson AMA5402]

The Comet plan above is the Comet "Mercury", good with a Bantam 19 or Ohlsson 19 or 23. Just finished one of these up, (about 62 years ago!)
Don

[Bill Little]

The Comet is an old time FF model.  (see pict)

"Sparky" refers to spark ignition


Terry

HI Terry,

Robert Storick, the site owner, is known by the "nick name" *Sparky*.  That is what I was referring to since he posted " ". 

I knew "the rest of the story"! LOL!!

Thanks!
Big Bear

[Brett Buck]

anything for you , Brett!

   We need to go out and debug your airplane sometime soon, now that my nose is no longer to the grindstone (at least not to the same extent). Assuming of course the new one isn't done yet, of course.

     Brett

[Howard Rush]

The new nose?  

[Larry Fernandez]

Hi Frank

There were 3 legitimate bids, Muncie was the first one put in last October, then Tucson and New Jersey, Muncie won with 7 votes.
Regards
Randy

Hi Randy, who actually does the voting ??

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

[BillLee]

Larry, according to the AMA's FAI Teams Procedures manual, the site is selected by a vote of the Team Selection Committee. The members of the F2B TSC are listed on the AMA website under the Competition heading.

Bill Lee

[Randy Powell]

>>The farthest anyone in the continental United States could drive to Muncie is 2455 miles from Neah Bay Washington.

Oh good, that means it's only 2410 miles one way for me. Is that by roads or as the Comet flies?

[Terry Bernard]

AMA F2B Team Selection Committee

Control Line Aerobatics (F2B) Team Selection Committee

I. David Cook
II. Winfred Urtnowski
III. Robin (Bob) Hunt
IV. Richard Houser
V. James Smith
VI. Edwin Paul
VII. Robert McDonald
VIII. Bob Gieseke
IX. James Lee
X. Keith Trostle
XI. Paul Walker

[BillLee]

For those who don't recognize it: "James Smith" is Randy, who is also the chairman of the F2B TSC.

Bill

[Randy Cuberly]

AMA F2B Team Selection Committee

Control Line Aerobatics (F2B) Team Selection Committee

I. David Cook
II. Winfred Urtnowski
III. Robin (Bob) Hunt
IV. Richard Houser
V. James Smith
VI. Edwin Paul
VII. Robert McDonald
VIII. Bob Gieseke
IX. James Lee
X. Keith Trostle
XI. Paul Walker

Hmmm...pretty easy to guess who the three votes for Tucson were and also why there were only three.

Seems a little slanted to the east!!!


Randy Cuberly

[Brett Buck]

Hmmm...pretty easy to guess who the three votes for Tucson were and also why there were only three.

Seems a little slanted to the east!!!

  Might be surprised at who voted for what, but it's somewhat moot.

   Of course it's slanted to the East. 300 stunt fliers in CA and AZ have the same representation as 10 guys in North and South Dakota. Not that the guys in South Dakota shouldn't have a say but it means you and I have disproportionately less say. This has been a feature of the AMA from the start. It's also the reason WAM was formed in the first place, and for C/L it was at least as big as the AMA for a while - a very long time ago.

   You and I knew the answer before this all started, anyway, so hard to be too disappointed or surprised. I have no doubt the vote is as reported. But it would make an interesting study to see what would have happened had the vote gone narrowly to Tucson - would the AMA override it to put it back to Muncie (like they did with having the W/C at Oshkosh)? Tough to have a "international center for aeromodelling" sit idle while people fly an important contest in public park 2500 miles away.

    Brett

[Brett Buck]

The new nose?  

   My nose is the very least of my cosmetic problems. That's damning with faint praise, of course.

    Brett