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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Dick Pacini on April 09, 2012, 10:54:55 PM
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This just showed up recently on the Brodak site. Not much info other than dimensions. Ever hear of it?
http://brodak.com/engines/snorer-55-engine.html
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Z@@ZZZ mw~ HB~>...surely they didnt call this motor a Snorer! n~
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Z@@ZZZ mw~ HB~>...surely they didnt call this motor a Snorer! n~
They sure did.
http://www.snorerengines.com/motores.htm
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Looks like a MVVS to me.
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I believe that the engine is made in South America....mayhaps Argentina?
Quite a bit of development to make it as user friendly as ST's....runs with a 2-4 and the barrel may be set for either side, or rear exhaust....
The two folks that I know that have been using them are quite impressed....
Have fun!
Yup....a Snorer!
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http://www.snorerengines.com/motores.htm
It's from Argentina. Their rep had one at Brodaks last year.
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are they gonna make a 1/2 A and call it a sneezer? LL~ jim
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Did this go on Brodak's site on April 1st, by any chance?
Regards,
Andrew.
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Did this go on Brodak's site on April 1st, by any chance?
Regards,
Andrew.
My first thought
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Did this go on Brodak's site on April 1st, by any chance?
Regards,
Andrew.
I don't know when it was posted, but it is still there.
http://brodak.com/engines/snorer-55-engine.html
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I don't know when it was posted, but it is still there.
http://brodak.com/engines/snorer-55-engine.html
It will stay there, it is real
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Looks like a MVVS to me.
Dan,
Good eye, looks like an MVVS to me also.
Venturi's for MVVS engines are available from the factory. We also know the case can be rotated 90 degrees and the engine can be used as a Rear Exhaust engine.
Nice compact pipes are available for the MVVS engine also. Another Factory item.
Interest?
Charles
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Forget about venturi size. This is where you need to focus your effort with this motor. ;D
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Let's see, your in the heat of competition. You walk over to the judge to get your score, and you find out it's 60 points lower than normal. You inquire as to what went wrong and, the judge tells you that "sorry,that last flight of yours was a snooze".
Seriously, we don't have many Marketing faux paus in sport, but this has got to be defintely one of them. Sure is pretty though!
Should have made it a .61.
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Marketing faux or not,
That NIB, MVVS .40, is available!
Charles
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The Snorer is nothing like the MVVS....the Argentinian engine has a more traditional 2/4 run, with torque and a wide prop....they appear every bit as well made as European pieces....they hauled a sorta porky test bed around pretty well....
Have fun!
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The Snorer is very very much like The MVVS, as it looks like a clone of the motor.
I had these a year back and beyond and helped them with info on timing and I made True venturies and setup one for them to show how the induction system should be.
The difference is this has evolved into a lower timed stunt engine that has a larger displacement, and now works for stunt. Also when you set the direction of the exhaust think about it because once run, it needs to stay that way. They also run well on a CF pipe rear EX.
Randy
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The Snorer is very very much like The MVVS, as it looks like a clone of the motor.
I had these a year back and beyond and helped them with info on timing and I made True venturies and setup one for them to show how the induction system should be.
The difference is this has evolved into a lower timed stunt engine that has a larger displacement, and now works for stunt. Also when you set the direction of the exhaust think about it because once run, it needs to stay that way. They also run well on a CF pipe rear EX.Randy
Randy,
I may need a venturi for one. Muffler also!
I have two of these MVVS engines made in the Czech Republic. Both NIB.
Charles
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Randy,
I may need a venturi for one. Muffler also!
I have two of these MVVS engines made in the Czech Republic. Both NIB.
Charles
You should be able to get those quickly from Brodak, I have headers and CF pipes
Randy
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You should be able to get those quickly from Brodak, I have headers and CF pipesRandy
Randy,
Aren't Brodak's venturies nylon or plastic?
Do you have a website?
Charles
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Randy,
Aren't Brodak's venturies nylon or plastic?
Do you have a website?
Charles
I do not know what his ventuires are made of, Mine are Delrin.
WWW.Aeroproduct.net
Randy
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The Snorer is very very much like The MVVS, as it looks like a clone of the motor.
I had these a year back and beyond and helped them with info on timing and I made True venturies and setup one for them to show how the induction system should be.
The difference is this has evolved into a lower timed stunt engine that has a larger displacement, and now works for stunt. Also when you set the direction of the exhaust think about it because once run, it needs to stay that way. They also run well on a CF pipe rear EX.
Randy
I agree Randy, they are very MVVS!!
Part of the issue the old MVVS 49 (and indeed the entire 40/45/49 range) had was that it was in the upper ranges for weight vs capacity.
The Brodak site gives 12.52 ounces with the standard muffler (although the Snorer site states that this is the weight with NO muffler) it not as problematical as the older range I suppose. But have they kept MVVS's indestructible crankshafts, Akrobat timing and thick chrome on the liners?
Rear exhaust definitely is the way to go but you can revert to a different orientation after running. Doing this simply abbreviates the engine life by having to run it in twice but its obviously NOT recommended.
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More here -
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_2613192/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm
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I know an MVVS Rep.
I could ask about that Snorer?
Charles
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Peabody, since you have seen the engine in action. How large of a prop 13" and how heavy ,large was the plane? Is it equivalent to ST .60 , Does it
run in lower torque range 8000? I am looking for a less expensive Retro....
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If I am going to throw that kind of money at a engine, I will spend a few more bucks and get a PA .40 UL from Randy.
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If I am going to throw that kind of money at a engine, I will spend a few more bucks and get a PA .40 UL from Randy.
Hi Paul,
that is a puzzling thing to say when little is known about the new kid on the block don't you think?
And especially so when the design of both motors had help from Randy in the first place.
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Could "Snorer" be translated, from Portuguese, Brazilian (if a language) or what ever...into an English word?...Possibly?...Seriously?
Norm
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It seems this engine was kept a secret. Most of the time, we know about an engines development LONG before it ever hits the U.S. market. Gave us time to get excited about it.
Or was I just the last to know on this one?
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Could "Snorer" be translated, from Portuguese, Brazilian (if a language) or what ever...into an English word?...Possibly?...Seriously?
Norm
Norm, they've GOT to change that name. ???
Imagine your at the flying field, and you have a hard time starting it. What are you going to tell people-it's sleeping? When you need parts, do you take it to a marriage counselor? When you want a new head machined for it, instead of a machine shop, do you take it to an E.N.T. specialist? How do you do a Rhinoplasty on a stunt motor?
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Norm, they've GOT to change that name. ???
Imagine your at the flying field, and you have a hard time starting it. What are you going to tell people-it's sleeping? When you need parts, do you take it to a marriage counselor? When you want a new head machined for it, instead of a machine shop, do you take it to an E.N.T. specialist? How do you do a Rhinoplasty on a stunt motor?
Do you need to tell it to roll over? Do you need to set an alarm clock next to it set 5 minuets before your flight? Does it need to have a cup of coffee before it will run? LL~
I agree the name is totally lame. Snorer. Not good.
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Prime it with amphetamines!!
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Hi Paul,
that is a puzzling thing to say when little is known about the new kid on the block don't you think?
And especially so when the design of both motors had help from Randy in the first place.
U.S.Nationals - 1994,1997,1999,2000,2001,2003,2004, 2005,2009,2010,2011
U.S. Team Trials - 1995,1997,1999,2001,2003,2007,2009
Australian Nationals - 1997,1998,2009
Many Open Sr. and Jr. NATs wins
World's ,Advanced and Open National Championships
1994 NATs Open Winner Paul Walker PA 40 RE
1997 NATs Open Winner David Fitzgerald PA 51 RE
1999 NATs Open Winner David Fitzgerald PA 61 RE
2000 NATS Open Winner TED Fancher PA 61 RE
2001 NATs Open Winner David Fitzgerald PA 61 RE
2003 NATs winner David Fitzgerald PA 61
2004 WORLD GOLD Medal winner Bill Werwage PA61
2004 WORLD GOLD Medal winner Rob Gruber PA61
2004 NATs winner David Fitzgerald PA61
2004 Senior NATs winner Rob Gruber PA61
2004 Advanced NATs winner Orestes Hernandez PA61
2005 Sr Winner Rob Gruber PA61
2006 NATs Advance Mike McHenry PA65
2006 World's Siver Medal Winner Dave Fitzgerald PA75
2007 NATs Classic winner Jim Lynch PA 40
2008 NATs Jr. Winner Ryan Young PA 61 RE
2008 NATs Classic winner Keith Trostle PA-40 Merlin
2008 NATs Advanced winner Germanio(Alex)Becerril PA 61 RE
2008 WORLD F2B Champion David Fitzgerlald PA 75 Merlin
2009 U.S NATs Champion David Fitzgerald PA 75 Merlin
2009 U.S. Team winner Bill Werwage PA 61 RE
2010 U.S NATs Winner Bill Werwage PA 61 RE
2010 U.S. NATs Advanced Winner Eric Vigliuone PA 65 RE
2010 Jr. World Champion Winner Ryan Young PA 75 Merlin
2011 U.S. NATs Advaned Winner Ryan Young PA 75 Merlin
2011 U.S NATs Champion David Fitzgerald PA 75 Merlin
2011 Sr. U.S NATs Champion Ryan Young PA 75 Merlin
When the list gets this long on the snoozer engine I will give it a second thought. H^^
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Sheesh, you're preaching to the choir here...many of us are huge PA fans and long time AeroProducts customers. The PA 40UL (yes, I have one) is not a competitor to this engine. This engine probably falls more into the "Gee, I wish I someone would build an engine that runs like a ST-60" type engine. I won't buy one as I have enough engines in this class (including an MVVS .49) but I hope it finds a market. With Brodak's excellent support and as Randy had a hand in its development, it should. 8)
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While i am glad to see a new engine on the market...the name did not sound like it was going to light any fires under anyone or was possibly a joke! looked one up tonight. Can anyone give me an all up weight for this engine?
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Okay then.....When I was watching the prototype it was well over a year ago (I tend to forget that I have been in Paradise for over 6 months), and saw an early rendition.......
It has evolved: Here's what the guy responded when I queried him.....
The Snorer is a higher speed/ flatter pitch engine, but it will work fine with a muffler. The maroon test bed plane weighed about 67-68 oz during the testing
Have fun!
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Snorer?
As in "it could pull your plane around the pattern in its sleep"?
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Sheesh, you're preaching to the choir here...many of us are huge PA fans and long time AeroProducts customers. The PA 40UL (yes, I have one) is not a competitor to this engine. This engine probably falls more into the "Gee, I wish I someone would build an engine that runs like a ST-60" type engine. I won't buy one as I have enough engines in this class (including an MVVS .49) but I hope it finds a market. With Brodak's excellent support and as Randy had a hand in its development, it should. 8)
I'm sure if Brodak sells it and Randy was involved with the development of the engine it must be ok. But for my pocketbook I would not spend that kind of money on a unproven product. If you are telling me that this engine is not in the same class as a PA then I will not drop big bucks on a ST type motor.
And remember I still consider myself a newbie. Only been doing CLPA a few years.
H^^
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It has to go up against an Enya 60 PRO and an Evo 61,(and Stalkers, 51's are good). And, can it out hustle a Saito 62? They may be a day late and a dollar short on this one.
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Actually it is the Evo 60 not 61 that is optimized for stunt. A very nice engine and $100 less than the Z@@ZZZ (really should change the name). The Enya 61 Pros haven't been available for sometime now, hopefully we will see them again. Definitely agree with the statement about Stalker 51's, nice engine. 8)
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The Snorer is very very much like The MVVS, as it looks like a clone of the motor.
I had these a year back and beyond and helped them with info on timing and I made True venturies and setup one for them to show how the induction system should be.
The difference is this has evolved into a lower timed stunt engine that has a larger displacement, and now works for stunt. Also when you set the direction of the exhaust think about it because once run, it needs to stay that way. They also run well on a CF pipe rear EX.
Randy
Hi Randy,
Since you worked on the development of this engine, somewhat, how do you compare it in run style and power to a PA .51, which seems to be the area this engine would be competing with.
Thanks
Bill
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Hi Randy,
Since you worked on the development of this engine, somewhat, how do you compare it in run style and power to a PA .51, which seems to be the area this engine would be competing with.
Thanks
Bill
Ah Bill, the voice of reason.
And you are right, the only person really qualified to judge this engine here would be Randy (but it could perhaps run into a conflict of interest supporting an outside product too heavily?)
I have my ears pricked up because of the possibility of spare parts from the Snorer range fitting the now discontinued MVVS 40 to 49 (or even the rear intake 51) glow models.
That and ....... well it just maybe a ripper of an engine in more categories than just stunt.
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I recall seeing a post or link to a website with the story on this engine from Argentina, right here on Stunt Hangar.
Perhaps a diligent use of the "search" function would turn it up for you? It was called the "Snorer" then, too.
They had an interesting way to "finance" the engines. IIRC, you paid like $3/week until it was paid for, then you got your engine. I didn't figure out how long it took to get one paid for. Argentines se habla espanol...dig it! H^^ Steve
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Maby it should be brought to our attention that it is very difficult to get a PA 65,75 ,now , they are $400 engines. Well worth it if you can get one.
Hopefully some one will give it another test and report on the new .55. Thank you Peabody for responding to my question regarding the .55.
Keep your eyes peeled as some people are converting to electric and are selling their PA. You get what you pay for.
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I hear ya, Walter. Of course the PAs for sale now are going for new prices. Goes to show what the value actually is.
Bill
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If it has a PA51 type run with an Aero Tiger price and MVVS quality it should be a hit regardless of the name. 8)
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If the Snorer .55 runs anything like the MVVS 8cc Akrobat (which I think it is based on), it should be a good stunt engine. See the YouTube link for the first full pattern of my MVVS powered plane. Last year I experimented with prop loading and am currently using Thunder Tiger 12.5x5.5 props, which further improved the run.
Fred
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdwM-eU5tuE
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If the Snorer .55 runs anything like the MVVS 8cc Akrobat (which I think it is based on), it should be a good stunt engine.
Fred
That is my thinking too Fred, slightly more capacity in an engine built like a Russian tank and it's all good.
I note that the port shape in the liner is a bit different to the most recent trapezoid shape MVVS Akrobat ones though.
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notice that people are still talking about the name Snorer.
I don't know, but maybe it means something very different in Spanish.
An example—in Oz, we have a Mitsubishi Pajero 4WD. In Europe, the same vehicle is a Shogun because in vernacular Spanish, Pajero (strawman) means wanker. LL~ LL~ VD~
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Here in Beaver Falls, we don't know what a wanker is. Uh, maybe we don't want to know.
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G'day Bill. Interesting isn't it. Two friendly countries divided by a common language.
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Here in Beaver Falls, we don't know what a wanker is. Uh, maybe we don't want to know.
Oh, you do but call it something else. LL~
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Hi Randy,
Since you worked on the development of this engine, somewhat, how do you compare it in run style and power to a PA .51, which seems to be the area this engine would be competing with.
Thanks
Bill
Hi Bill
It is not a PA, it is closer to the MVVS 49, The last one I had they still did not have the P/S right and were using steel as the sleeve material with a lapped Al piston, I see they have now gone to brass, I also did not fit one into my airplane so I cannot tell you any details about that. These have been years in developing as I have seen many models of these over about 4 or 5 years
Randy
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Thanks, Randy.
Bill
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How 'bout a Short Snorter with a Snorer? ;D
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1940S-AMECO-SHORT-SNORTER-CONTROL-LINE-MODEL-AIRPLANE-KIT-/230774178766?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35bb3683ce
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Hi,
Several engines of my collection. The "Snorer" drives with authority to "Tutor II".
Snorer does "roncador" in Spanish.
Regards
Juan Carlos Pesce
Buenos Aires
ARGENTINA
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Wanker!!!!! y1
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Actually, Snorer is a pretty good name for a stunt engine. Most of them run 4 cycle, which sounds like someone snoring, as opposed to a high speed two cycle.
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Hi,
Several engines of my collection. The "Snorer" drives with authority to "Tutor II".
Snorer does "roncador" in Spanish.
Regards
Juan Carlos Pesce
Buenos Aires
ARGENTINA
Hi Juan,
you use an inboard mounted tank and still have the exhaust offset to clear an outboard mounted one?
Probably better to rotate it 180º to be closer to the fuselage and have the outlet pointing down - if it fits that is.
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Hiya Paul,
Just as a World-beating stunt design alone wont take you to the winners circle, a world-beating engine wont either. Just as a good model takes time at the stick to become a winner, an engine takes a fair amount of tinkering and expiramenting. There also seems to be allot off double-talk by people reguarding engines. People complain about the lack of CL engines on the market, yet when manufacturers come up with one, very few people buy them in favor of what is available in the cottage industry. Build a quick-and-easy profile, buy one of these "snorers", and start the R&D process. Fuel, props, NVA, venturi's, ect. are all tools to bring engines to life. It could take awhile--a season or maybe two-- to find the right setup, but its worth it in the end if you come out with a sweet-running powerplant.
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Why all this chat about the engines name?
I have several engines named 'Stalker'. They are more happy pulling model airplanes than following women.
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Why all this chat about the engines name?
I have several engines named 'Stalker'. They are more happy pulling model airplanes than following women.
ROTFLMBO!!!!!! LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
I hear ya!
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
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Why all this chat about the engines name?
I have several engines named 'Stalker'. They are more happy pulling model airplanes than following women.
LL~ LL~ LL~
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Hiya Paul,
Just as a World-beating stunt design alone wont take you to the winners circle, a world-beating engine wont either. Just as a good model takes time at the stick to become a winner, an engine takes a fair amount of tinkering and expiramenting. There also seems to be allot off double-talk by people reguarding engines. People complain about the lack of CL engines on the market, yet when manufacturers come up with one, very few people buy them in favor of what is available in the cottage industry. Build a quick-and-easy profile, buy one of these "snorers", and start the R&D process. Fuel, props, NVA, venturi's, ect. are all tools to bring engines to life. It could take awhile--a season or maybe two-- to find the right setup, but its worth it in the end if you come out with a sweet-running powerplant.
This is exactly what I did when I started messing with Saito 4 strokes, it took the better part of a year to get from almost giving up to having an engine run I was really happy with. My pay-off was being able to fly head to head against anything using a $150.00 engine bought used from an RC guy.
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Why all this chat about the engines name?
I have several engines named 'Stalker'. They are more happy pulling model airplanes than following women.
Hmm, reminds me of when my wife looked at my oily diesel 'PAW' boxes in the garage.
She quipped "There is no way that you are ever touching me with those stinky diesel paws!"
(Actually took me a second to catch on to what she was on about.)
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Looks like a sleeper, possibly with Apnea.
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This is true Sean. I am going to get one, I want a rear exhaust that was a lot less than $400. It does not matter what is says on the motor, I cant read it form 60 feet anyway.
Steve
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Silly name or not, I would like to see one run.
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Silly name or not, I would like to see one run.
Just make sure you have one of these near by when you do!!
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Hi Juan,
you use an inboard mounted tank and still have the exhaust offset to clear an outboard mounted one?
Probably better to rotate it 180º to be closer to the fuselage and have the outlet pointing down - if it fits that is.
Hi Chris,
the muffler outlet pointing downwards throws the oil directly on the wing.
Regards
Juan Carlos Pesce
Buenos Aires
ARGENTINA