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Title: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Eric Viglione on June 04, 2011, 01:11:20 PM
Sorry for not posting as much on this build as usual...I have had some build photo's in my SN Dist V column over the last few issues, but I really haven't been motivated to post much lately. It's hard when you are pushing to meet a deadline and most of your free evenings are spent in the shop. Anywho, better late than never.

Paint is KlassKote Epoxy primer, base color and trim. Stencils for the checkers and wingy thingy emblem I drew up in PhotoShop, then Derek Barry converted them to Autocad, sized them properly and cut the vinyl. Derek's work is amazing, makes me look like I know what I'm doing...

The clear was a new adventure for me, my first outing with 2 part urethane. So far, I think I'm going to like this stuff.
The particular urethane I chose was sold by KlassKote also. This was the "small" 2 part KlassKote Urethane "kit" they sell, I put over KlassKote Epoxy colors/primer - The whole finish was under 7 ounces including the clear, which weighed about 1.5 ounces before wet sanding and buffing. The kit is 3 to 1 plus reducer (1 larger can part A, 1 small can part B, 1 small can reducer), remeasured and enough to do about 21square feet I think they told me. I set a small amount aside unmixed for emergency repair, then I mixed by volume but was curious, so I zeroed my scale with my jar and weighed the mixed contents which came to 10 ounces (thinned with reducer). I used less than half the contents of the jar which wasn't quite full to start with. That means I put about 4 or 5 ounces (by weight) of material through my gun, of which about 30% were solvents (reducer) and 1.5 ounces of it stayed on the plane the rest evaporated or went in the air as overspray.

All up weight is currently 63.5 -64 ounces on my digital scale (depending on how much tip weight this will end up with).
I'm very happy with this weight actually... it's a bigger (well, longer fuselage anyways) plane than my last Starfire, and it's almost 2 ounces lighter.
C/G is right on per plans, 6.75 from TE, I set the leadouts at 6" from TE to start, power is PA65 on Quiet Pipe at 18.5".

First flights were last weekend with Bill watching. I transplanted the settings from last years plane, and they were pretty much on the money in this plane. Tank shim, pipe length, etc, Wings about level, maybe a dial of wedge, need a calm day to really tell. I pretty much set the needle with the tach on the first flight and that's where it stayed. Love it when a plan comes together. I think some tip weights going to come out eventually, but for now I'm enjoying the safety margin. This baby's got corner, and then some. I like the power steering feel, especially at the intersections of the eights. Now the pilot just needs to catch up to the plane. Got to burn some fuel before Muncie. I don't think I'll be getting 28 flights per day like PJ, but I hope to get enough over the next few weeks, heh.

Ok, I know I know, shut up and show us the pic's...

Pic1 - Someone enjoying his new $10 tyvek suit...and $30 respirator both well worth it when shooting 2 part paints
Pic 2- 6 - Various shots of the new bird, a shop pic or two showing the bottom red checks, and out at the field on day one.

Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: jose modesto on June 04, 2011, 01:59:01 PM
i like it complex yet elegant. Red,black and white are a great combination.
hope it flys better than the last one(that is always our hope)
maybe not so good your in open now LOL
See you in muncie
Jose Modesto
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Randy Powell on June 04, 2011, 02:13:52 PM
Very cool, Eric. Simple, elegant and effective. I like it.
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Michael Schmitt on June 04, 2011, 03:01:16 PM
Looks great Eric,
Look forward to seeing it fly!

Michael
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Will Davis on June 04, 2011, 04:47:54 PM
White, Red and Black,  always a great  combination , Looks great

Will
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Steve Helmick on June 04, 2011, 05:23:24 PM
I like it very much. Are the wheel pants painted black, or are they bare CF with the red stripe? I always thought wheel pants should be lace painted... LL~ Steve
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: EddyR on June 04, 2011, 06:46:06 PM
Eric you have that same grin as when you flew your first SV-11. Like I told you before it is not the same old paint job so many do. It is hard to find something different without it getting over complicated.
EddyR
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: wwwarbird on June 04, 2011, 06:56:01 PM
 Looks great, very nice finish too. Did you use a paint mask for the checker pattern?
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Clint Ormosen on June 04, 2011, 07:06:52 PM
Very sharp, Eric! Simple but striking paint job. How about a pic of the bottom?
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Derek Barry on June 04, 2011, 07:09:43 PM
Rock on Eric, I cant wait to see it in person!

Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Steve Fitton on June 04, 2011, 07:15:31 PM
Outstanding dude! Can't wait to see it in a few weeks!
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: PJ Rowland on June 04, 2011, 08:59:00 PM
Hey I only do that when the weather is fine.. Right now Im at home and its blowing a gale - 25kts.. since 8am... so another wasted day.

I assume PA5 is a typo ? but what is it a 6 or a 7 infront of that 5 ?

otherwise if not a PA5 must be a cute widdle engine :)


Love the scheme - Love the Checkers -I've always liked red, black and white basis models. Its clean - elegant ,smooth styling, - Looks like one of those planes you can get out for any occasion - Certainly good enough for a Nats - simple enough to take down to your local without everyone thinking your Windy..

I must build one of those - love that Randy style designs.  Looks like a Katana.



One thing Eric - Can we have some info on the build ?

I assume You completely scratch built it - its not a kit right ? - Foam wing ? Hardware ? undercarts / Spats / Prop - comeon we need details ! ! ??

It looks great   y1

Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Matt Colan on June 04, 2011, 09:27:02 PM
Looks great Eric!!!! Can't wait to see it at Muncie!
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Eric Viglione on June 04, 2011, 10:04:24 PM
Thanks guys, you are too kind! I hope you like it as much in person, heh heh...

Steve - No, and yes I did put the red trim stripe over the carbon weave, but I didn't leave it that way, I knocked the tape ridges down and cleared the pants with urethane.
The Bolly gear IS painted black though, becuase I thought it looked kinda rough in contrast to those purdy weaved pants.

Thanks again,
EricV

I like it very much. Are the wheel pants painted black, or are they bare CF with the red stripe? I always thought wheel pants should be lace painted... LL~ Steve
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Eric Viglione on June 04, 2011, 10:06:38 PM
Yes, that's from checkers I drew up in Photoshop, Derek Barry converted to CAD and cut in vinyl.
Making them wavy and streching them in Photoshop was fun...
EricV

Looks great, very nice finish too. Did you use a paint mask for the checker pattern?
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Eric Viglione on June 04, 2011, 11:03:36 PM
Thanks PJ... I fixed the typo in the original post, it's a PA65

Long story shortened up on this build is:No, Randy doesn't kit this one specifically. BUT... it did start life out as a Starfire laser cut kit w/foam cores, and was going to be Starfire #3 for me... Then for reasons barely known to myself and few others that can understand this insanity we call stunt, I got a wild hair up somewhere dark and started converting the kit to the Rapier. Ordered a set of Rapier plans, cut a bunch of new parts from scratch and ended up with lot's of Starfire parts left over.

Pants are Mejzlik carbon pants, gear is Bolly and painted black with KlassKote Epoxy paint. Controls are Tom Morris aluminum laminated forked end bellcrank, true 90 horns & adjustable pushrod/elevator horn with access hatch under stab. 6.5 ounce metal magnum style tank.

Prop is the Mejzlik "75" 3 blade carbon prop (starts out at 13.75" x 4.5) cut down to 12 5/8" and I washed out to 4.0 at station 12. Spinner is Aeroproducts needle nose style. PA65 is bone stock, just like my last one. 



That's about all I can think of worth mentioning...

Thanks again for all the kind words,
EricV



Hey I only do that when the weather is fine.. Right now Im at home and its blowing a gale - 25kts.. since 8am... so another wasted day.

I assume PA5 is a typo ? but what is it a 6 or a 7 infront of that 5 ?

otherwise if not a PA5 must be a cute widdle engine :)


Love the scheme - Love the Checkers -I've always liked red, black and white basis models. Its clean - elegant ,smooth styling, - Looks like one of those planes you can get out for any occasion - Certainly good enough for a Nats - simple enough to take down to your local without everyone thinking your Windy..

I must build one of those - love that Randy style designs.  Looks like a Katana.



One thing Eric - Can we have some info on the build ?

I assume You completely scratch built it - its not a kit right ? - Foam wing ? Hardware ? undercarts / Spats / Prop - comeon we need details ! ! ??

It looks great   y1


Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Ward Van Duzer on June 05, 2011, 07:49:57 AM
Kool!

Catcha' later...


Ward-O
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Allen Brickhaus on June 05, 2011, 03:53:55 PM
Eric,

How very, very nice.

Allen
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Warren Wagner on June 07, 2011, 11:26:53 AM
Eric,

That looks super.  Sure looks like your building skills moved up to expert as well as the pilot !!

Agree with everyone on the colors and checker scheme....unique, tasteful, and not overdone.  And
with the epoxy paint, the plane will look 'show room new' for years.

Will be watching to see how things turn out at Muncie....best of luck.

Cheers.

Warren Wagner
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: john e. holliday on June 09, 2011, 09:09:05 PM
That is awesome.   Isn't it great when things come together.   Hope it flies as well as it looks. H^^
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Eric Viglione on June 10, 2011, 09:02:13 AM
Thanks Ward, Allen, Warren & John, much appreciated!

The initial flights are still going well, and it will probably be my Muncie ship, but Starfire will be in the van with me for backup.

One small hitch is I trashed my #1 prop, (long story, may be worthy of a new post) which was my #2 prop from my Starfire, which I am having to get it's replacement dialed in properly. So, I'm chomping at the bit for more stick time! I could just steal the prop off Starfire, but I really would rather not.

Got family in town, a rehearsal tonight and my neice's wedding tomorrow, but Sunday is shaping up to look like a great flying day. Already told Lisa to expect me home late, heh heh. Taking spare props, my heat gun and pitch gage to the field with me too. Not coming home till I'm happy and have spares props that all work the same, and I've burned in at least a couple of 500+ pointers!  HB~> LL~
 
That sounds pretty good on paper anyways, LOL. Actually, I've pre-pitched the spare props to what I think should be pretty close, so hopefully I just get to go practice or maybe make a minor tweak or two if anything.
We shall see...

EricV

Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Bill Little on June 10, 2011, 11:35:59 AM
HI Eric!

It looks totally awesome.  Really sweet!  Maybe this will get Aaron excited about finishing his Rapier.  Lots of work done on it, but finishing the wing and assembly has been on hold as of late.  Getting to see a "finished" one is exciting, first one I have seen.

Best wishes for Muncie, and good luck with the "Rapier"!

Bill
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Alan Buck on June 10, 2011, 12:22:15 PM
Hi Eric plane looks great  if it flys like your old one you have two winners . it is a sister ship to the sv 22 good luck at the nats I have to miss this year
Title: Re: New Rapier pic's, done and flown.
Post by: Eric Viglione on June 10, 2011, 12:45:29 PM
Thanks Bill, I hope Aaron likes his as much... I think it represents the culmination of knowledge Randy has accumulated leading to an outstanding design.

Alan - Thanks, and that sucks! You will be missed! Does that mean no Ken either?
EricV