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Title: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: PeteBergstrom on August 28, 2008, 10:44:49 AM: Hi!

Check out this web page

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN0115

This is our new PT-19 CL 35 sized ARF from Hangar 9. It is designed to make it easier for us all to invite our RC friends to try their hand again at CL! Available with or without the engine and both versions include a wood handle and set of lines. It takes about one evenings work to get it ready to fly and then they can bring their RC fuel and ignitors to the field and have a ball with the new airplane.

Click here! (http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/HAN/450/HAN0115-450.jpg) Click here! (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN0115)

Please check it out and tell me what you think.

Pete
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: pat maset on August 28, 2008, 11:51:01 AM: It seems to me, that if you are introducing a trainer, the next logical step is to introduce a step up(flapped pattern ship?) Just my two cents worth.

Pat Maset
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Leester on August 28, 2008, 12:05:44 PM: Pete: I think it looks great and adding the handle and lines is a nice touch. Is it covered in UltraCoat ?? Any thoughts of an ARC version ?? TIA
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Richard Grogan on August 28, 2008, 12:41:44 PM: Very cool stuff! Its great to see Horizon making a commitment to CL. This will probably force Sig and TF to step up and offer a ready to fly package too.Great news!
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Mark Scarborough on August 28, 2008, 12:49:33 PM: Pete,
THANKS for your support activily for this hobby, IMO great thinking on offering a COMPLETE package, all they need is fuel and ignitor, makes it pretty simple and inviting, one stop shopping. Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Paul Taylor on August 28, 2008, 12:52:36 PM: WOW This is Great!!!! Very nice looking plane. I have heard nothing but great things about the Evo engine.

Can wait to read the reviews on how the plane flys.

what type of 3 blade prop is pictured?
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Just One-eye on August 28, 2008, 01:02:36 PM: It looks like it would be a fun plane to have and to fly just for sport, and perhaps even P-40 Intermediate Class.

WHEN will these be available, Pete?
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: PeteBergstrom on August 28, 2008, 01:05:43 PM: Thanks for all the comments guys. Continued success always gives us the impetus for more designs. Just keep your eyes open and encourage your RC friends to try their hand (pun intended) at CL again ::) The three bladed prop is our training prop for our 40 size RC airplanes. it is a 10-1/2 x 4-1/2 prop that controls airspeed pretty well. It is a pretty good match for this airplane and the engine in the training, I don't want to spin too fast mode. It will be inlcuded with the HAN0115 ARF w/engine version. We are expecting the first shipment at the endo of October/early November timeframe.

Pete
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: dave siegler on August 28, 2008, 01:10:20 PM: It looks really good.

Please consider including a safety thong. One of your pictures has the pilot flying with the thong just hanging there.

I am not a fan of wing mounted gear.

What prop is that?
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: PeteBergstrom on August 28, 2008, 01:32:47 PM: We do include a safety thong in the kits. I'll have the picture pulled with the dangling thong .. we don't want to promote anything dangerous.

Pete
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: SteveMoon on August 28, 2008, 03:15:15 PM: That looks awesome Pete! A great deal at $200. If the quality
is anywhere near (which I'm sure it will be) the Hangar 9 RC ARFs
then this will be a winner. I've flown several Hangar 9 RC ARFs
and they are top notch, great quality items. Can't wait to see
one of these at the field.

Steve
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Alan Hahn on August 28, 2008, 03:20:51 PM: Yes and like your RC ARF's, how about an Electric version!
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: PeteBergstrom on August 28, 2008, 03:45:50 PM: Patience, Alan ... patience ;D
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Bob Whitely on August 28, 2008, 05:00:34 PM: Pete, Very nice! Now this is how I believe an ARF should be presented. It is an ARF, correct? If not and is already assembled then that is even better. The fact that lines and handle are included is a big bonus and should go far in making it easier for the guys wanting to get in the air quicker.

Most know that I am not a big proponent of ARFS' or ARCS' but that is only because of the BOM rule and the appearance point problem. So long as no appearance points are given for them then I am ok with the concept.

I like the wing gear and I am glad you stayed with them just for the scale appearance. I am impressed with the tip weight box and what looks like adjustable leadouts. Those are items that should have been on all the other ones out there. Good job.

Past experience has shown that the controls on all the other offerings needed major help to last more than 1-2 flights before failing. Hopefully you have taken care of that problem as it will definitely help to sell more models.

Besides the PT19 is one of my favorite planes and your looks really good!

Bob Whitely
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: wwwarbird on August 28, 2008, 06:06:03 PM: VERY COOL!!! Kudos once again to Horizon Hobby for their recognition of Control Line!!! y1 y1 y1

And, it's a WARBIRD! ;D
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Richard Grogan on August 28, 2008, 06:58:04 PM: Pete:
I noticed a hatch under the inboard wing. Is that access to the BC linkage? The pushrod and elevator horn looks pretty substantial.How are the leadouts attached- crimped or swaged?
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Doug Moon on August 28, 2008, 09:30:22 PM: Pete,

That is a great looking plane. The pushrod setup is top notch.

I cant wait to see one in person.

Thanks for adding more to the CL portion of the hobby.
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: 11290 on August 28, 2008, 10:08:26 PM: Looks like my wallet is going to be lightened up again soon !
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Keith Spriggs on August 28, 2008, 11:01:53 PM: I think Horizon Hobby has its finger on the pulse of all phases of model aviation. They seem to understand and sell what people want far better than most.

Their customer service is legendary.

Thanks Horizon Hobby for listening to your customers.
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Larrys4227 on August 29, 2008, 05:12:34 AM: This is fantastic! Its gonna be perfect to get people back in the circle! 3 Months ago, I was the only one C/L flying at my field. Theres now 3 of us, and I expect 1/2 dozen by years end. With the PT-19, I can see those numbers are gonna jump!

Way to go! FlySafe! Larry (Larrys4227)
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Bradley Walker on August 29, 2008, 06:48:19 AM: Horizon Hobby doing anything CL is good. Great in fact. This bodes well for the future of the hobby.

I agree with Bob Whitely, it think it would be be awesome to make it an RTF. I wanted to do an RTF soooooooo bad, but it just never happened.

BTW, is this covered in Ultracote?

Anyway. Pete congrats brutha!!! Peace!!!
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Dalton Hammett on August 29, 2008, 06:53:18 AM: *******
Great looking plane - It's been said before, but thanks for getting into the C/L circle, support from
any company is greatly appreciated by all of us.....

Dalton H.
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Bill Heher on August 29, 2008, 08:13:40 AM: Pete - my 2 cents

Looks great, wingtip weight box, adj leadouts, push rod and elevator horn look sturdy, all this tells me you guys did some listening / thinking about this project. the sprung tail wheel is a nice touch.

On the minus side- crimped leadouts- on the wintip end not too big a deal-easy to inspect and stay on top of.
If the same is true at the bellcrank, and you have the bare cable running through an aluminium bellcrank with crimps to secure - well lets just say be ready for some feedback on that issue.

Wing mounted gear- looks great and should make for good ground handling - but beginners and retreads tend to have a high number of full speed - pancake type impacts with the ground. If the gear gets torn out and destroys the wing- you just lost a customer.
Most ARF type R/C fliers would be challenged to rebuild a wing that had landing gear attach blocks and support ribs torn out.
Maybe you can include a fuselage mounted wire set that would use the same wheels, with a note or addendum to the instruction for installing it for " Severe duty training option". They can always install the wing mounted units at a later date after they " get a handle on things! ".

The complete package with engine, tank, lines and handle for the price shown on the web page is an excellent deal - I can see one sitting under my Christmas Tree this year.

Keep up the good work- we appreciate the fact that you guys know we are out here and hungry for new products.

All in all - I'm impressed by what I've seen. I
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Bob Reeves on August 29, 2008, 09:29:08 AM: I think it's just what the doctor ordered.. Looks like even though the leadouts are crimped they are ran through the ferule twice which will make them good enough for it's intended audience. Same with the clevis, would like to see a Sullivan Gold and am hoping the one supplied is better than what we have seen so far but it should be fine.

We are seeing an increased interest from the local RC club and this is a fantastic offering.. Looking forward to seeing one in person. Hope it's successful enough to keep in the line..
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Phil Coopy on August 29, 2008, 11:27:19 AM: I think they're great....two of the RC only guys from my club just put in orders....makes me happy..

Phil
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Neal Beekman on August 29, 2008, 04:21:17 PM: Pete I just went to the Hobby Shop and ordered one just on the Looks , I will be the 1st in N.Y. to have one. I will power with a LA 40 as my Evo will not hold a setting .
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Lyle Spiegel on August 30, 2008, 09:27:18 PM: Pete-
Do you also intend to offer the PT19 w/o the engine installation? Had I known this was going to be available as a turnkey package I might have held off ordering my new EVO .C/L .36.
For those like me who already have the engine ( EVO .36 or other) - the option of ordering the airframe only would be attractive.
Lyle
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Richard Grogan on August 30, 2008, 09:34:18 PM: Quote from: Lyle Spiegel on August 30, 2008, 09:27:18 PM
Pete-
Do you also intend to offer the PT19 w/o the engine installation? Had I known this was going to be available as a turnkey package I might have held off ordering my new EVO .C/L .36.
For those like me who already have the engine ( EVO .36 or other) - the option of ordering the airframe only would be attractive.
Lyle
Lyle,
Here is the link to what you're looking for...It says with engine, but it is a typo.Price is 119.99
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN0100
Cheers!
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Leester on August 31, 2008, 09:24:34 AM: Neal: If your EVO won't hold a setting get ahold of Horizon customer service I'm sure they'll make it right.
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: john e. holliday on September 01, 2008, 07:35:30 AM: Made the mistake of showing the wife the picture of the PT-19. She says I have too many planes now. Guess I will have to get someone else to get me one and sneak it in while shes asleep. DOC Holliday
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: John Miller on September 02, 2008, 12:33:44 PM: Oh Doc

Don't be such a whimp. Just go out and buy the thing. She probably has way too many pairs of shoes, or something, right?

Besides, you can never have too many planes anyway. They do wear out, right? Tell her that the older ones need to rest up and replace their "Airion supply".

Oh yes, Tell Rover to move over, buy a good tent, and prepare to eat at Micky Dees a lot for the next several months.
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: John KruziK on September 09, 2008, 06:29:25 PM: Looks great seems like a good deal $200 bucks with engine, line and handle. Will look into when available Thanks John
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Garf on March 15, 2009, 04:56:52 PM: I just planted mine. Total loss.
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: john e. holliday on March 16, 2009, 08:53:59 AM: Garf, you have the darndest luck. Wish I was closer to you so I could help. Now where is the rest of the story? Having fun, DOC Holliday
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Garf on March 16, 2009, 11:25:57 AM: On my website. Where else.

http://hangarflying.proboards18.com/index.cgi?board=wire
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Neal Beekman on March 16, 2009, 02:56:40 PM: This is the start of my PT 19 repair , made a new 1/2 " balsa fuse kept everything else the same . One comment it looks great in the air , but don't land it hard. S?P S?P S?P
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Neal Beekman on March 18, 2009, 01:59:26 PM: This is my repaired Pt 19 it does fly better now.
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: john e. holliday on March 19, 2009, 07:10:04 PM: Looking good. DOC Holliday
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: William DeMauro on March 21, 2009, 08:15:32 AM: Looks good Neil!!!! I'll have to grub a flight next time we are out together.I hope I can remember how to fly a gas powered plane. Better yet give me that for about a week and let me electrify it.
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: William DeMauro on March 22, 2009, 07:57:11 PM: Well I got to fly Neil's "improved " PT 17 today and must say that for a non-flapped profile I was impressed. It turned well even though he had to add allot of nose weight to it to reduce it's sensitivity. He had a narrow spaced handle on it also. I am sure some of the nose weight added was cause he rebuilt the fuse using standard 1/2" balsa. I also had a perfect engine run (as perfect as you can get for gas powered) and it did take a few laps for me to reacquaint myself with the natural vibration of a fuel powered motor. Like I told Neil today,that plane is a perfect candidate to convert to electric. Balance would no longer be an issue because you would be able to move the battery forward and back to get it perfect. The only downside of this whole plane was that with no flaps and a thin airfoil It doesn't glide very far after the engine cuts. Overall its a very nice flying ARF!!
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: Garf on March 22, 2009, 08:33:15 PM: Thin airfoil?????????????????????????????????
Title: Re: New PT-19 to get RC retreads back to CL
Post by: William DeMauro on March 23, 2009, 09:22:30 AM: Alright, thinner airfoil than the SV 11 and Strega's I'm used to flying. I think it was more the lack of flaps anyway that contributed to the shorter glide than I am used to. I'll take the hit and admit my mistake on that, It was a bit cool out and, It was the first time I had seen one so maybye I looked too fast at it.