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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Marcelo Cremon on December 22, 2014, 03:27:06 PM
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Hello my brothers, here is the newest project "Chupim60". Model for competitions! Sorry I am very tired and wish you all a happy Christmas.
Let us throughout the project and design showing everyone what is happening. I need some rest. But in the last days got courage to show you guys, big brothers!
Thank !
Cremon !
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" Welcome To The Show " !!!
http://www.cremonhobby.com
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see !
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see !
Very interesting. Is this also a kit?
Randy Cuberly
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Kind of reminds me of a Shark.
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Kind of reminds me of a Shark.
Ya think! LL~ LL~ LL~
Jerry
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Similarities....but different.
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Both have Spitfire-ish wings - and both fuselages have some resemblance with modern full-size aerobatic aircraft...
A Thunder Gazer looks just like a Nobler too ~>
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... More missing some details and settings for the end of the prototype !!! S?P S?P S?P
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I think it looks awesome!
Glenn
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Great looking model, Marcelo! When will u release the kit? ;D
Keep on keepin' on!
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
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Truly beautiful lines. everything on the model just "fits perfectly with everything else. A truly integrated design look!
Randy Cuberly
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Dar Fórum Friends
Marcelo and I first met in a contest, when he brought his Ringmaster kit to show everybody. He Always recalls me being the only one who was actually interested in his kit... LL~
From then on, I've been able to follow his work and dedication to control line, Always trying to make available good kits, which are easy to build, made of good wood.
Recently, he was granted permission to sell plans and kits by Pat Johnson and Pat King, which shows his commitment to quality.
Somewhen not too long in the past I was being told about this Project.
Osni Leme and Marcelo teamed up to try to come up with a competitive stunter design, sold as a kit, which would be cheap enough for people to afford, easy to build so everybody could do so, and which could take any kind of powerplant.
Ideas were discussed and a design was decided.
He won't be satisfied until the prototype flies and does it well.
Marcelo is a great guy, whose shop is a place of dreams for any modeller, and a person who has made me part of his Family.
Soon this ship will maiden, and I will be there 8) to have my go.... VD~
Marcus
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Hello my friends and brothers. . .
It's almost done, missing some details.
Insert some not definitive picture on my website so they can follow a little of what is happening.
The photos are not definitive, just inserted, on grounds of lack of time due to prototype construction!
Go ahead, I'll post new news!
Thank you all.
Who interested can visit the website and click "CHUPIM60".
www.cremonhobby.com
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Check this out...
http://www.cremonhobby.com/wa_5.html
Prototype should maiden on saturday...
Marcus
P.S. LOL LOL Marcelo was faster...
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Looks like a lot of nice engineering went into this project. Will this be a kit or an ARF, and will you be selling it to the US market ?
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hello Allan, it will be a kit. After its release it will be sold also to the the north america. But let's wait and finish your flight videos and presentation.
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If it is like the Cupim20 you have another winner.
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Great looking plane and engineering.
I'll definitely take one of the kits when they're ready.
Steve
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I'm also most interested in one of the kits.
Randy Cuberly
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Hope you guys can read portugese.
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Hope you guys can read portugese.
No portugese here, but I can read a translator good enough to get by. LL~
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Hope you guys can read portugese.
Well, I have several friends here that can! Besides, modeling is pretty universal. I built and an airplane with plans that were printed in Ukraine...No problem!
Randy Cuberly
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For all that beautifully efficient wing, the fuse profile looks short of really stylish and efficient. This is not a jab at your design, but I think you have more in you than cad will allow. ;)
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Don't worry guys, I'll make sure you can understand everything...
Like you needed...LOL....
Marcus
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Don't worry guys, I'll make sure you can understand everything...
Like you needed...LOL....
Marcus
OK, so what is translation of "Chupim".
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Raven...
Marcus
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Raven...
Marcus
Yeah, I did a google of CHUPIM and it kept showing pictures of a black bird.
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Can'r speak Portuguese, but I do know a couple of super hot Brazilian
chicks. Maybe they'll help me build it!?!?!?!?!!!!!!
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Osni and one of the prototypes...
oh boy, he sounded excited a while ago....
Marcus
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The Raven is very different. It is bigger and it does not have the same Chupim's disgusting habit of digging cattle @#$% to find seeds. Because of this discussing habit the Chupim is popularly called in Brazil "@#$% Digger" or in Portuguese "Vira Bosta" The other bad habit the Chupim has is laying its eggs into other birds nest. It is such a SOB that it lays its eggs in the nest of smaller birds so the Chupim Chick grows bigger then the others and it easily push the others to get more food. Because of it's habits the Chupim @#$% Digger is the most hated bird in Brazil.
"Chupim" is also used to label people who take advantage of others, who make illegal copies, who lives abusing some one else money and generosity......
Brazilian Informal Dictionary:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=pt&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dicionarioinformal.com.br%2Fchupim%2F&sandbox=1
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=pt&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coave.org.br%2Fbiblioteca-de-aves-detalhes.php%3Fid%3D246&sandbox=1
Google Translator is not so good translating Portuguese to English, but you will understand what is the meaning of "Chupim"
Martin
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Interesting. I've made a few models that could've been called "S&#@ Digger", although "Chupim" probably has a better ring to it.
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Chupim in Google shows a cowbird, but the behaviour described is that of a magpie, not a Raven.
But obviously an opportunistic bird!
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Sorry friends, for those interested, we insert new photos on the site.
Explaining:. "Chupim is the name of my pet bird, which inspired its name really is a native bird of Brazil Love Birds.!
The person who is talking bad about my work, is a personal problem.
That person is losing its trust here in Brazil, so that is attacking me so.
I wish someone can prove that the models that are making illegal copies, to your measurements and design.
Many people here in Brazil trying to sell something in virtual sites, sell, but do not have products to deliver, such as what is occurring, deceiving our Brazilians friends.
I have no guilt for having engineering background and be a factory owner who possesses various equipment to do this. I have time and afford it. Not gain anything money doing it, everyone knows, the more it hurts very people who qerem do and can not.
I hope you can understand what I speak ...... but sorry everyone if people here are annoyed with my work, you guys do not have nothing to do with it.
Now if they feel that the name "Chupim" will interfere with your performance, do not have problems, we will change its name to better everyone. Let's hope the videos of your flight, so we can see it as a good or bad.
Sorry again, if people who attack me here in Brazil, have no ability to do this, not even open a box kit and build it.
Cremon . H^^
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Wow, kind of sorry I asked about the translation now. I don't care what you call it, just anxious to get my hands on a kit. I will call mine "Champion" because that's what I actually thought Chupim would translate to.
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Hello friends, thanks for the support I'm getting through my email.
I come to thank the friends who trust me, as "Robert Storick" which gave me the opportunity to advertise my site in "StuntHanger" ...... "Pat King" and "Pat Jonsthon" for giving the opportunity to its representation plans and kits here in Brazil, "John Brodak" for publishing events that organize here the Fly-A-Thon in Brazil on my responsibility, as you all know and have seen, "Marcus Lamb" for the great help that makes me, and also all you who are relying on my work. Not gain any money from it, but the laws here in Brazil, favor people who attack us. It is a way that people use to earn a little money when they need it. And call me "Chupim". I am not in need of money, but I think those who are attacking me is to survive in our country. This shows their attitude of mistrust that Brazilian es having with this header. The Brazilian friends are sad and without confidence.
I hope you all understand what I'm writing.
Sorry for all this trouble, again!
Thanks for all !!! H^^
Marcelo Cremon!
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Hello friends, thanks for the support I'm getting through my email.
I come to thank the friends who trust me, as "Robert Storick" which gave me the opportunity to advertise my site in "StuntHanger" ...... "Pat King" and "Pat Jonsthon" for giving the opportunity to its representation plans and kits here in Brazil, "John Brodak" for publishing events that organize here the Fly-A-Thon in Brazil on my responsibility, as you all know and have seen, "Marcus Lamb" for the great help that makes me, and also all you who are relying on my work. Not gain any money from it, but the laws here in Brazil, favor people who attack us. It is a way that people use to earn a little money when they need it. And call me "Chupim". I am not in need of money, but I think those who are attacking me is to survive in our country. This shows their attitude of mistrust that Brazilian es having with this header. The Brazilian friends are sad and without confidence.
I hope you all understand what I'm writing.
Sorry for all this trouble, again!
Thanks for all !!! H^^
Marcelo Cremon!
I understand you enough to know that I still admire and respect what you are doing, and feel your endevors will benefit the Stunt hobby. Hope you are successful with the design and get the kit on the market soon.
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Sorry friends, for those interested, we insert new photos on the site.
Explaining:. "Chupim is the name of my pet bird, which inspired its name really is a native bird of Brazil Love Birds.!
The person who is talking bad about my work, is a personal problem.
That person is losing its trust here in Brazil, so that is attacking me so.
I wish someone can prove that the models that are making illegal copies, to your measurements and design.
Many people here in Brazil trying to sell something in virtual sites, sell, but do not have products to deliver, such as what is occurring, deceiving our Brazilians friends.
I have no guilt for having engineering background and be a factory owner who possesses various equipment to do this. I have time and afford it. Not gain anything money doing it, everyone knows, the more it hurts very people who qerem do and can not.
I hope you can understand what I speak ...... but sorry everyone if people here are annoyed with my work, you guys do not have nothing to do with it.
Now if they feel that the name "Chupim" will interfere with your performance, do not have problems, we will change its name to better everyone. Let's hope the videos of your flight, so we can see it as a good or bad.
Sorry again, if people who attack me here in Brazil, have no ability to do this, not even open a box kit and build it.
Cremon . H^^
Cremon,
People were curious about the meaning of Chupim and I just told them what it really means.
I did not say anything about you, the kit itself or your business.
But you are attacking me personally and my business saying things that are not true.
Martin
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Hello Friends
I built the prototype and made the flight test with the engine PA65, flew very well and is very promising
I've been reading all the comments and have my position
Some friends said it was the same as another plane, I can answer that is not equal, there may be similarities, such as ThunderGazer and Trivial SE, are similar planes are however different, elliptical wings are great in flight since World War II with manufacturing the Spitfire, other planes already use elliptical wings as the friend of Furia Barrabino.
Therefore there may be similarities however it is not illegal copies, as some may think.
I am disposition for any questions
About the name CHUPIM plane, is a very famose and traditional bird here in Brazil, all black and singing very well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ejoPFFaphA
This bird is worshiped by the Brazilian
Best Regards
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Marcello,
It's a beautiful well designed airplane. I think there were some misunderstandings about some of the coments made here on Stunt Hanger. I think some of the comments were just crass American Humor and not meant to be condeming. There may be other feelings that I'm not aware of from past incidents there in Brazil...This is only a guess but if that's true I would advise you to simply ignore them and proceed with your plans of the kit. I believe it will be very successful. The acceptance of the design has already shown itself here on the Forum.
I wish you the very best luck in the endeavor and am very interested in the kit. I believe it shows all the qualities for a successful stunt design.
Randy Cuberly
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Congratulations to friends Marcelo Cremon and Osni Leme for the beautiful design. :) :) :)
Certainly the Chupim 60 will be a wonderful model. Marcelo, you can now add me interested in the list in a kit.
Who cares about the model name is because only care about superficial things and not to the real importance of the project.
Congratulations my friends.
Regards,
Fernando
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I don't think I have thanked brother Cremon enough for the wonderful kit I got from him. For me it is just the right size as I can't handle the bigger planes any more. Also how can we thank a person willing to design, produce and sell kits like this gentleman does. I myself did not see the negative writing of the little black bird. You want a nasty bird try on a Blue Jay some time. Have been attacked by them several times in the spring.
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I don't think I have thanked brother Cremon enough for the wonderful kit I got from him. For me it is just the right size as I can't handle the bigger planes any more. Also how can we thank a person willing to design, produce and sell kits like this gentleman does. I myself did not see the negative writing of the little black bird. You want a nasty bird try on a Blue Jay some time. Have been attacked by them several times in the spring.
Yeah, or the Sonoran Woodpecker we have here in The Southwest. They poke holes in everything including houses. Once a year I have to get the ladder, wood filler and paint out and go fill in all the latest holes the little suckers make in my house. Yes I have several shotguns but they are a protected State Bird!!! Maybe I can sue the State of Arizona for the damage... LL~ We all know how far that would go!
When I get one of the kits and build it I'll probably just call it the "Blackbird" That's a very honorable name for any aircraft.
Randy Cuberly
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You want a nasty bird try on a Blue Jay some time. Have been attacked by them several times in the spring.
LL~ LL~ LL~
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More pics
http://imgur.com/sC6efMv
http://imgur.com/dswsmIN
http://imgur.com/pChHVwG
http://imgur.com/7JtN5pC
http://imgur.com/H024aEl
http://imgur.com/sk1cfzg
http://imgur.com/S16ONWo
http://imgur.com/iIaGvrt
http://imgur.com/aUyR0Zq
A litle video too, first flight test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQdIHFkOG8k
Best regards
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You want a nasty bird try on a Blue Jay some time. Have been attacked by them several times in the spring.
We have Steller's jays in the NW, seen here demanding peanuts. They never attack me. I recommend your not being so stingy with the peanuts.
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"Yeah, or the Sonoran Woodpecker we have here in The Southwest. They poke holes in everything including houses. "
Here's a flicker poking a hole in mine.
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I saw some cool birds in Ibirapuera Park. The local folks didn't like them. They could have been chupims. I wonder if those were the same birds that attacked Windy when he got too close to their nest. Those were really cool birds.
There is a famous American combat model called the Bosta.
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We have Steller's jays in the NW, seen here demanding peanuts. They never attack me. I recommend your not being so stingy with the peanuts.
Does the cat eat peanuts too, or Jays...He looks very interested in the one outside the window!
Randy Cuberly
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I think the biggest game Spencer ever ate was a moth.
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I saw some cool birds in Ibirapuera Park. The local folks didn't like them. They could have been chupims. I wonder if those were the same birds that attacked Windy when he got too close to their nest. Those were really cool birds.
There is a famous American combat model called the Bosta.
Hello
The bird that attacks people is called Quero Quero, He is very aggressive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGesnO5xgNw
Best regards
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Hello friends, now I will show you guys to blame for all this mess.
The history of the name "Chupim" that's what happened.
A beautiful hot day here in Brazil when I was designing the "Chupim20", was sitting in my house under some trees, drinking a few beers, thinking of the name that would give him (Chupim20), and was not able to find a name. Suddenly my bird pet (your name affectionately called "PIM") started singing with beautiful whistles, down my head .... tormenting myself with her singing. . .Veio Then have your name in the kits.
Come below show you this beautiful pet bird I have, very affectionate with my family.
He (male) is very intelligent. Her singing awakens every day at dawn. . . when I get home with my car (black), he thinks that is the car owner. . . is mad !!! Lives fighting with the dogs of black I have too.
Here it ..... also in his daily bath !!!
Sorry friends, this is my life !!! H^^
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see !!!
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I saw some cool birds in Ibirapuera Park. The local folks didn't like them. They could have been chupims. I wonder if those were the same birds that attacked Windy when he got too close to their nest. Those were really cool birds.
There is a famous American combat model called the Bosta.
......and Bosta is also elliptical. I still have 2 left.
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This thread got a little out of hand with some comments. Chupim is Marcelo's pet bird. We all know what pets are like for us. So, let's just concentrate on the model! It is a great looking design and should do very well. Marcelo is anothe vendor trying to help the hobby by offering some nice looking kits. We should be thankful, in this day and time, that another vendor is working for us!
So lets knock off the negative and concentrate on the positive!
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
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Hi friends
Another video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2PxYH74UgM
Best Regards Osni
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Looks like a winner to me.
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Hello
Thanks for the words John
We have faith that will be a champion
The kit is well cut and its very simple construction, can be used any motor (PA, Stalker, Retro, ST), light and very maneuverable plane
I'm doing the flight tests, will participate with the plane in competitions that are starting
I am available for any questions
Best regards Osni
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I am available for any questions
Best regards Osni
What motor does the video plane have ?
What is wingspan and area ?
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Hello Allan Perret
I'm use PA65 13X4,5 prop tri blade
Wingspan 1498 mm (59")
The prototipe have 1720g (Read to flight) litle heavy , next plane more light , i hope 1550g wings in two parts
Best regards , Osni
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Hi friends
Another video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2PxYH74UgM
Best Regards Osni
The plane\motor combo has spectacular vertical performance.
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The plane\motor combo has spectacular vertical performance.
...and looks great in the air. Good luck with it!
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Thank you guys
Soon we will make a better video in the correct position
I believe that on Sunday already will have a new video
Best regards
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Marcelo, thank you for your effort to produce a very nice stunt plane. Excellent web site ,very informative the pictures help me understand what
the construction process is. It looks to be fairly easy to build. if the weight is 60 oz with the PA and Pipe that is excellent.
#1 Do the wing jigs come with the kit?
#2 Is a take apart construction( is the wing removable) ?
Please keep up the excellent work. the combination of the web site, video , and information here of the forum keeps us well informed.I cannot wait
until you are ready to ship out the kits!!!Thanks again this is exciting.
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... can be used any motor (PA, Stalker, Retro, ST)...
What about those who like electric power?
Is a lot of redesign needed in the nose, to fit and access a battery?
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Hello friends.
The "Jig" is included in the kit. It is universal, used to build other wings too. It is laser cut, with fixing holes in its base that can be screwed on wooden tables. If you prefer using glass tables can be fixed with double-sided tape. Can be detachable during construction to change position and the tubes are secured with rubber bands.
This model could be built with parts thereof to be transported to other locations.
It can be converted to electric motors smoothly as there are enough spaces in their compartments for your battery and esc.
Another detail, would be to build a wing can be done without the aid of the plant in paper under the pieces, it will be included in the kit two fixtures away from the ribs (right and left), with your exact measurements.
View photos!
Thank you all, my great friends and brothers! H^^
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More !!!
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Marcelo, Once again the jigs are an example of excellent design and that they are a part of the kit is even better.Keep up the great work!!!!! :)
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Now friends, I began to do the paint job on the prototype, which will serve for packing photos and advertisements.
Thank you all! H^^
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I love that and it is gorgeous. If I could match the color of my demented poodle that would be the color of the Chupim20. Need the temps to come up for painting out side.
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Love the graphics. How did you do that ?
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Now friends, I began to do the paint job on the prototype, which will serve for packing photos and advertisements.
Thank you all! H^^
Marcelo, your really killing it here brother!!
What is the plane covered with, and how did you get those graphics.
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Hello friends,
I hope you understand the process of painting I did in the prototype.
Come on, I'll try to write as clear as possible.
Fuselage ---... coat the balsa wood with silkspan, applied dope with aluminum powder, not to use the primer. I applied the background color (solid yellow) and in the bee hive painted with metallic yellow.
Wing --- ... was covered with "yellow transparent Oracover". Bee hive was done with the same manner of the fuselage.
After all this painting, a thin layer of "ink blue chameleon" that changes color depending on the position of the light was applied.
After all this, was added in small metallic varnish sparkling particles, which are also color change as the light position.
All this we used an airbrush and masks cut out of a vinyl plotter.
Not ready yet, but in a few days you will see pictures of how it was and its effect on the change of light.
Thank you all, I hope you are understanding what I write!
Bro Cremon! H^^
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.... Friends .....
Tomorrow .... I assure everyone that my partner "Osni" will show you a video that showed their performance. Remember is the third flight and still lacks some adjustments.
Wait a little more, until it do its job!
Bro Cremon ! H^^
www.cremonhobby.com
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Dear Friends
One more video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvW6Q-GWoCg
Best Regards Osni
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Looks great with no more flights than you have on it. You are living right when the engine quit when it did. Mine is usually vertical when the engine decodes to quit. If I didn't have so many kits now and planes ready to fly, I would consider it. By the way I do like the out lines of the design.
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dear friends, after some useless reading about the "chupim" name, i am here to tell that regardless name, the plane is a beauty and one of the best Controline designs i´ve seen .
i paid a visit to Cremon last week and saw the plane in person, though i have been closely watching the design and building progress i neede to "see" her with my hands. light and beauty!
the building process would be fool proof and unless you fix the gigs on your belly, you will end up with a straight, light and strong plane.
the gigs are really great and this plane will be a sucessfull design for sure
can´t wait to start the building of my electric version!
belive me, this guy is obsessive with design and sure will end with an awesome kit for us!
BTW, i see no need for 1:1 plans, just a photo manual will be enough to built this bird!
congratulations Cremon and Osni!
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Hello Friends
Next saturday we go test other Prototipe
New pics and videos
Best regards
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I'm gonna have my go... i'm gonna have my go!! 8) 8)
Marcus
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Hello friends ..... a few more finishing photos.
Thanks ! H^^
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....More !!!! ....
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Man
I'm gonna have me some fun tomorrow... VD~ VD~
Marcus
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Love the hex pattern on the wing and stab, not so much on the fuse.
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Love the hex pattern on the wing and stab, not so much on the fuse.
I love it all!!
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The pattern reminds me of some models and full size aircraft that have used it for a snake or dragon skin effect.
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Hi people
Here are some pics of yesterday's action...
Unfortunately, the storm came just after we got to the field so only one flight...
Check it out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3t99I1Vits
Marcus
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Sorry
The pics are here...
http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,38463.0.html
Marcus
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Hello friends.
Some specifications of the prototype were inserted into the "vendors corner"
Thanks !
http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,38463.0.html
Marcelo Cremon
www.cremonhobby.com
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......New Photos !!!!
http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,38463.0.html
Thanks ! H^^
Marcelo Cremon
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Hello, below new videos of your flight performace and its presentation.
... Also new pictures ...
http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,38463.0.html
..................Thanks for All.......... H^^
www.cremonhobby.com
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Hello Friends
The plane is very competitive
Docile when need and agrecivo when necessary, makes maneuvering corners very well
The video where I'm already flying is a competition, is the fifteenth flight, even with few flights already is competitive
We are the disposition for any questions
Best Regards , Osni
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Hello friends, we have news in .......
http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/board,104.0.html
Thanks for All H^^ H^^ H^^
Bro cremon !
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Great looking airplane
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Hello friends, we have news in ......
http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,38463.0/all.html
Thanks !