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Title: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 07, 2007, 08:14:33 PM: Never tried to post pictures of a new build before. The "Ringmaster 1000" is being built. I don't build fast like others, I just pick away till it's done. I'm in no rush. This is where it is at right now.

"Billy G" H^^
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: steve pagano on June 07, 2007, 08:18:55 PM: Lookin good G-man. Cant wait to see the fuse for that puppy!! #^ #^
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 07, 2007, 08:22:33 PM: Steve, here it is still jigged up. The LE and TE are not solid they are built up construction.
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: steve pagano on June 07, 2007, 08:38:09 PM: Bill, What size bell crank are you using?
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 07, 2007, 11:34:06 PM: Steve;

We had a drop in control system made for us by "Jim Snelson" at C/L Central. It consists of a BCA-4 3/16 X 4" Bellcrank (Phenolic). The pushrod is 3/16 Carbon Fiber with a "Ball Link" at the Bell Crank, and "Ringmaster" type bent wire at the horn. Lead Outs are .036 Cable. Some of it may seem small, like the Push Rod, but believe me, it won't flex.

This"Big Boy" also sports a home made set of adjustable leadouts, made by myself.

Tom, don't say it, after that flood we had nothing is where it is supposed to be. I am still looking.

"Billy G" ;D
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Roger Vizioli on June 08, 2007, 06:23:26 AM: Bill,
Lookin' Good!
Buildin' slow?
You can always set up a table under a tree at Brodak's and build when not flying!
see you there.
Roger
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: john e. holliday on June 08, 2007, 06:43:05 AM: Bill the plane looks great so far. I am anxious to see the final result. Later, DOC Holliday
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 08, 2007, 07:52:10 AM: Thanks everyone;

Good news, just got back from the Post Office. We weighed it at all 5 stations and they were all the same. It is definately not overweight. The wing comes in at:

HH%% 18.37 ozs. HH%%

"Billy G" #^ #^ #^
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Morell on June 08, 2007, 12:34:40 PM: Looks great Bill. Your jig looks similar to what I use for rods. I brought the post back so you could check it out if you want to.
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Little on June 08, 2007, 12:39:57 PM: Both you "Bills" are making this Bill felt embarassed! Looks like I will have to finally break down and make a jig for my rods/tubes, too. So far I have just used a temporary set up made each time I used them.

Y'alls both look great!

While I would rather build in a Lost Foam set up, there are laser ribs that require the rods, so I do use them every now and then. That is, when I ain't building an I-Beam plane! LOL!!

The third Bill <><
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Paul Taylor on June 08, 2007, 05:01:44 PM: Looking good G-Man.

See ya in a few days.

Paul
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 09, 2007, 04:17:27 PM: You betcha Paul.

One of these "Bad Boys" is gonna power that "Ringmaster 1000". The "Red Head" is a Fox .78 Dual Plug--circa 1971. The other is also a Fox .78 Single Plug-- circa 1981. The 1981 is already changed to C/L. the "Red Head" is waiting for her venturi. That is the only modification that needs to be done to these "Big Blocks" to change them over. Yes the engine in the center back is a Fox .59 2-Speed. The one in the back on the left is a Fox .40 Rat Race. The extreme right back is a 1958 Fox .15 "Steel Fin"
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Steve Helmick on June 09, 2007, 04:36:31 PM: Billy-G...how much does the CL Fox .78 weigh? I was thinking that shortening the stroke to get it under .76 cu.in. limit for .018's might make it a bargain big block. It would be pretty easy to do, by cutting off the stock crank pin and poking a hole for a new pressed-in crank pin. A dowel pin should do.

Keep the weight down on that Mega Ringmaster, or it'll pull your arm off! LL~ Steve
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 09, 2007, 04:52:01 PM: Steve;

Fox .78 Specs:

Bore 1.00 in.
Stroke 1.00 in.
Disp. .785
Rpm 12,500 w/12-6 prop
Weight 18 ozs.

The "Ringmaster 1000" all up weight is now targeted at 60-65 ozs. Should be no worse than a .60 powered ship.

"Billy G" H^^
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Little on June 09, 2007, 05:02:24 PM: At 60-65 ounces, you should give it to Champione Lampione. It's a good 20 oz. lighter than his presentday United! LL~ LL~ (really!)
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Leo Mehl on June 09, 2007, 05:53:44 PM: GAD"S who Schrunk the GRUBY. Like the cute little shorts too. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ VD~ CLP** CLP** CLP** CLP** CLP** o2oP o2oP o2oP o2oP HB~>
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 10, 2007, 06:01:52 AM: Quote from: Steve Helmick on June 09, 2007, 04:36:31 PM
Billy-G...how much does the CL Fox .78 weigh? I was thinking that shortening the stroke to get it under .76 cu.in. limit for .018's might make it a bargain big block. It would be pretty easy to do, by cutting off the stock crank pin and poking a hole for a new pressed-in crank pin. A dowel pin should do.

Keep the weight down on that Mega Ringmaster, or it'll pull your arm off! LL~ Steve

You are probably aware of this buuuuuuut if you decide to destroke one of these"Bad Boys" make absolutely sure there are big enough oil holes in the connecting rod. I would suggest two 45* apart. Make them bigger if you are unsure. Also I have been told that some of the .78's had needle bearings in the lower end of the connecting rod. If this is true ( don't quote me here) you will need a new rod to work with. Please let me know what the results are if you try to pull this off. I don't like going to .021 lines either, although I don't think there will be any real noticeable "Drag" problems.

"Billy G" BW@ BW@ BW@
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: wwwarbird on June 10, 2007, 02:43:18 PM: Way cool-built up fuse I hope. ;D
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 10, 2007, 03:10:32 PM: Wayne;

WOW---Long time my friend. Welcome back. Yes and no, the parts that are built up are: Wing, Stab., Elevator, Fuselage, Leading Edge and Trailing edge. By built up Fuselage I mean it is a built up "Profile". A full bodied "Super Ringmaster" is not out of the question at a later time.

"Billy G" ;D
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 11, 2007, 03:57:18 AM: Hey--"Shultzie" and everyone else;

This one is really "Puuuurty"
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bob Disharoon on June 11, 2007, 06:11:15 AM: Hey BG, when you waltze into the post office with that thing, do the employees hide? %^@...HD
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 11, 2007, 09:16:48 AM: HD;

Nope, no digruntiled postal workers here. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ Here is a couple more to gawk at.

"Billy G" S?P S?P
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Shultzie on June 11, 2007, 09:47:22 AM: Quote from: Bill Gruby on June 11, 2007, 03:57:18 AM
Hey--"Shultzie" and everyone else;

This one is really "Puuuurty"
Thanks "G" MAN....That is an AWWWSOME PHOTO...and knowing for certain that "BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE-BALLS OF THE BE-HOLDER!"

Check out another beauty that resides in Billy's backyard????
Pure and simple! "GARDEN ART!" AT IT FINEST!
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 11, 2007, 10:11:32 AM: "Shultzie"

That ain't garden art-----Ford 460 cu. in. Stump Puller, That baby has a "Granny Gear" that will break your back.

"Billy G" LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 12, 2007, 03:51:45 PM: OK Everyone;

Here is what she looks like so far:

"Billy G" HH%%
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Shultzie on June 12, 2007, 04:10:59 PM: GREAT SHOT..."G"MAN! GADS! I LOVE THAT DETERMINED INTENSE IMPASSIONED LOOK ON YOUR FACE! PURE CREATIVE JUICES...FLOWIN DOWN....LIKE A RIVA' OHHH BLESSSUM YOUR SOUL!!!

YOU ARE TRULY A BLESSED BROTHER MEMBER AND "LORD OF THE RINGS!"
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 12, 2007, 04:27:44 PM: "Shultzie"

This day of buildin started at 7:00 AM, with all the interruptions and errands to run it did not end till 5:30 PM. After looking at all the pictures I took, it was worth it. TOOOOOOOOOOO tired to smile. LL~ Z@@ZZZ

"Billy G"
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Leo Mehl on June 12, 2007, 05:25:58 PM: Nice job Billy, It definatly looks like a ringmaster. It also does not look that big after it is put togather. I suspect you will need a few lead wieghts in your pocket to fly this. I can't fly it because the leadouts are coming out the wrong side an I asume this is because you don't want me to test fly this thang. I wish I could be there for first flights. Leo HB~>
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Paul Taylor on June 13, 2007, 04:49:18 AM: Nice looking RM 1000 Billy G.

See ya soon.

Paul
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: steve pagano on June 14, 2007, 02:37:17 PM: G-man it's lookin awsome. Great woodwork on the fuse!!!! How about a 90 sized Fancey Pants next?
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 14, 2007, 05:44:41 PM: Steve;

I'll give it some thought but this engine is as big as I can handle at the moment. LL~ LL~ LL~ n~ I'm really gonna hate to bury those motor mounts where they can't be seen, in the fuselage.
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: john e. holliday on June 15, 2007, 06:23:34 AM: Quote from: Leo Mehl on June 12, 2007, 05:25:58 PM
Nice job Billy, It definatly looks like a ringmaster. It also does not look that big after it is put togather. I suspect you will need a few lead wieghts in your pocket to fly this. I can't fly it because the leadouts are coming out the wrong side an I asume this is because you don't want me to test fly this thang. I wish I could be there for first flights. Leo HB~>

Hey Leo, a little secret, just have him launch it inverted. Watch Lew Woolard(aka Silverfox) fly sometime. Even tho the the plane is upright, the handle is backward to me. Have fun, DOC Holliday
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Keith Spriggs on June 17, 2007, 08:17:01 AM: Bill, I am in awe at your creation. Great workmanship (no surprise). I hope you can get someone to video the maiden voyage and put it on U-Tube or somewhere. If I can hear your knees knocking over the roar of the engine I promise not to say anything.

Keith
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Leo Mehl on June 17, 2007, 06:19:47 PM: I'm taken bets it flies perfect the first time. I got confidence in this old friend of mine. I think he is already focused. Pretty soon he will be in the zone-twilight that is! LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ %^@ %^@ %^@ HB~>
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bob Disharoon on June 18, 2007, 05:01:48 AM: Hes gonna be so excited at thefirst flight, Im sending him a box of DEPENDS LL~ LL~ LL~
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: john e. holliday on June 19, 2007, 11:06:56 AM: Hey Bob, you will be there soon enough. Sure is handy when on crossing duty and no bushes close. Have fun, DOC Holliday
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bob Disharoon on June 19, 2007, 03:48:33 PM: I know , John..but I have a long time to go to catch up with ole BG...3 years..LOL....BTW, If I ever get a chance to see it fly in person, your truly is gonna need one!!....take care, Bob
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 20, 2007, 03:23:51 PM: HD;
Thanks for the thought but I don't think I will need them, got anything to put on weight in a hurry? Landing gear and finish sanding to final shape. Assemble and cover. And finally on to the paint finish, looks like about two more weeks and it takes to the air.

"Billy G" (PE**)
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Warren Leadbeatter on June 20, 2007, 06:00:34 PM: Bill,

Have you worked out a color scheme yet? What are you going to cover it with? Looking good by the way.

Cheers
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: john e. holliday on June 21, 2007, 08:24:56 AM: Bill, are you going to replicate the original color scheme? Have fun, DOC Holliday
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: steve pagano on June 21, 2007, 12:48:14 PM: Simply AMAZIN! ;D

G-man What size tank do you need for an engine that size??
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 21, 2007, 12:58:18 PM: Steve;
I have been using an 8 oz. Hayes Clunk to break it in. It swallows that 8 ozs. in 7.6 minutes. Soooooo you want to fly the pattern you will need at least 8.5 ozs. It won't be economical to say the least. Now its big sister, which hasn't been put on paper yet is a whole new "Ball Game". Don't ask.

"Billy G"
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: steve pagano on June 21, 2007, 02:09:02 PM: Bill;

Big sister?!?!?! Well i guess if you have a few extra lawn mower engines hangin around and flying lines that are strong enough to be used as suspension cables on the Brooklyn bridge! LL~ n~ Why not!

G-man i must say with every build you keep me on the edge of my seat! Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bob Disharoon on June 21, 2007, 05:56:51 PM: Big Sister.."dont ask".....here we go again.....if it works out better than the "little brother", we are all in for another "Biily G" airplane ride of mythical proportions....I envision a TV show in the future similair to Orange County Choppers...I think some one needs to crank up a name for it..any suggestions?
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: steve pagano on June 21, 2007, 09:21:15 PM: How about ''G-MAN lord of the ring.......masters that is!
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 21, 2007, 11:10:10 PM: WHOA PEOPLE;

Let's back off for a second here. Steve, I am flattered by that title, but must respectfully decline. That title goes to none other than "Dee Rice" of "Oriental" fame, aka "The Grandmaster Of The Ring". Or to "Dave Gresens", "Bob Lipscome" and "Mike Finnigan". Please I'm just a loyal follower of the "Brotherhood"
Yes, I have created a large "Ringmaster 1000", but that is all. There will be two more "Ringmaster" offshoots built by me before the next "Ringmaster Round-Up",one larger,and one the same size. One is a twin, the other let's just say will be awesome. This is my only claim to fame in the "Brotherhood". I am not worthy of any title such as you are suggesting. Again Thank-You for the thought. Stay tuned this ride ain't over yet. LL~

"Billy G" VD~ VD~ VD~ VD~
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: john e. holliday on June 22, 2007, 06:09:20 AM: Quote from: Bill Gruby on June 21, 2007, 12:58:18 PM
Steve;
I have been using an 8 oz. Hayes Clunk to break it in. It swallows that 8 ozs. in 7.6 minutes. Soooooo you want to fly the pattern you will need at least 8.5 ozs. It won't be economical to say the least. Now its big sister, which hasn't been put on paper yet is a whole new "Ball Game". Don't ask.

"Billy G"

Hey Bill, that 7.6 minutes is pushing the pattern a bit, isn't it? The book says 8 minutes max from the time you signal until the plane comes to a stop. I have timed many a pattern with about 10 laps extra coming out on an average for me at 6 minutes, give ar take a few seconds. Well anyway with something that big I guess I would allow you 10 minutes. Have fun, DOC Holliday
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Paul Taylor on June 22, 2007, 06:59:50 AM: Billy
All I can say is be ready to hang on. We got to watch Dan fly his big streak. In the wingovers it would lift him up on his toes.
Paul
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 22, 2007, 09:13:15 AM: OK Guys;

A few more, she is standing alone now. Needs the tail wheel and sand and sand and sand and ----------- you know the drill. Silk is on the way. It won't be long now.
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Little on June 22, 2007, 03:59:34 PM: Hi G-Man,

For time, if you are flying the pattern, you are fine with the 8 oz. tank. Like Doc, I don't like to go much over 6:30 stop watch time, and that's from the hand signal. I got a funny feeling that we *might* get a rules proposal in the not too distant future to adopt the FAI 7 min. max time from signal to wheels stopping. I would be for it!
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: john e. holliday on June 24, 2007, 09:59:22 PM: Bill, it is looking a lot better. Probably look even better when it is dressed. By the way if they back the time down to 7 minutes, they had better go to one lap between maneuvers. Otherwise the guys/gals had better start getting one flip starts and run to the handle. DOC Holliday
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Little on June 25, 2007, 08:30:09 AM: Quote from: john e. holliday on June 24, 2007, 09:59:22 PM
Bill, it is looking a lot better. Probably look even better when it is dressed. By the way if they back the time down to 7 minutes, they had better go to one lap between maneuvers. Otherwise the guys/gals had better start getting one flip starts and run to the handle. DOC Holliday

Hi Doc,

In my case, I would vote for it in the PAMPA Classes for Advanced and Expert. It would help in some of our larger local meet (heck any meet!) to reduce the time it takes for flights. And I would definitely vote for it in Open.

Beginner/Intermediate, hmmmmmmmmm...... the Beginner Pattern is so short that 25 flip starts and crawling to the handle could still get you in under 8 minutes! LOL!! Intermediate is where I could see some pattern points lost, maybe.
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: john e. holliday on June 25, 2007, 09:31:46 AM: I know and was verified this past weekend that an entrant has 3 minutes to get airborne. In my case when I take a minute to get airborne I am pushing it a little to get down and stopped in 8 minutes. Of course with more practice I could really get patterns in less than 6 1/2 minutes. It is so relaxing when a I get a one or two flip start. This past weekend we watched guys fiddling with needle after a quick start. No worry about over run as several ran out of fuel entering the clover or during the clover. It is bad when I have to put down a 10 for the maneuver and 0 for landing also 0 for pattern. Remember fellows it is two laps between maneuvers. I would go for 7 minutes for ADV, EXP and OPEN. Beginner at the NATS is 5 1/2 minutes if I recall. Have fun, DOC Holliday
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 26, 2007, 09:06:48 PM: We are ready, but the "Silk" has not arrived yet? Maybe today? Here are a couple of the "Business End". That Fox .78 still looks awful big. That is a Hayes 8 oz tank, needs to be turned 90*, but there is plenty of room. Also the tips still need shaping, but while moving it around they are better left for later. (No Dings Allowed)

"Billy G" (PE**)
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: frank carlisle on June 29, 2007, 08:00:00 PM: That's a nice piece of work Bill.............
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on July 02, 2007, 08:01:08 PM: These are the last "Bare Bones" shots. I start covering tomorrow.

"Billy G" H^^
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: steve pagano on July 02, 2007, 08:28:24 PM: Hi Bill;

Lookin pretty SWEET!!! Do you have your colors picked out yet?
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: john e. holliday on July 03, 2007, 06:58:49 AM: I hope he does it in the original color scheme. Looking greater each post Bill. Have fun, DOC Holliday
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on July 05, 2007, 07:07:06 AM: Franky,

This shot is for you LL~ Mine fits , not much room for anything else, but it fits. LL~ LL~ LL~

Doc,

Sorry no original colors on this one, but I think it will surprise you?

"Billy G"
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: john e. holliday on July 05, 2007, 07:19:07 PM: I am anxious to see the final result. Have fun DOC Holliday
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: steve pagano on July 16, 2007, 06:55:16 PM: G-man hows it coming along? Have you started the sister ship yet ?
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on July 16, 2007, 07:22:47 PM: Hi Steve;
Nothing new since last post, family stuff got in the way, then a freak lightening storm took out some trees in back and had to clear that. Will get back to it tomorrow. The sister ship is still with Pat Johnston in the plan stage, soon. I should have some more pictures by the week end. Thats it for now.

"Billy G" ;D
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: Bill Gruby on July 17, 2007, 03:47:41 PM: The old EZ-Just would not do for this airplane. I cloned this from looking at 6 different handles. It works for me. I am going to christen the handle this weekend. I took what I thought was the best features of all 6 handles. Line length adj., Line spacing, etc. I had the walnut laying around so that is what I used. Whole thing cost about $8.00 plus my machine time. Not bad.

"billy G" y1
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: steve pagano on July 17, 2007, 03:56:18 PM: G-man thats aswsome craftsmanship! that handle's a beauty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New Build
Post by: john e. holliday on July 17, 2007, 07:24:58 PM: That handle should do the job. It looks great. Have fun, DOC Holliday