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Just what the title says.
I watched Paul Walker fly a beauty but it shows the plane during the OH8. I'd like to see the pilot's body and feet planting. I'm searching the Tube, but haven't found it yet. Anyone got a link? I'm trying to do it standing here in the den, but ain't finding it comfortable.
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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2013, 08:20:08 PM »
Most plant their feet square to the climb and don't move them until they finish the 2nd outside loop (directly overhead, in theory). The alternative is to start with your feet as for a wingover, then move one foot to where you are facing downwind, do your 8's and then you don't have to move your feet until you pullout into level flight. I honestly think this is a better way to learn, simply because most of us geriatrics do our OH8's "out front", which for the first group, is upwind. For the second group, it would be downwind, which is surely a plus. I've tried to change to the second method and scared myself silly. If we assume that the OH8 will probably be "out front" an equal amount (less is likely) with the second method, your control and precision should be much better, and thus should get more points. The other thing to remember is that this maneuver "takes awhile", and if it doesn't, you're making it too small & rushing it. You might pick up a point or two in the Online Judging Clinic forum.   H^^ Steve http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=13069.0  
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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2013, 08:33:47 PM »
Go to Heman Lee's "Aeromaniacs" website, click on "Videos," go to "NW Regionals 2011" and you will get EXACTLY what you want: a video of zillion-times National Champion Paul Walker flying the entire pattern. Just him, not the plane. The next video is similar, featuring David Fitzgerald, who is reputed to know a little about stunt.

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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2013, 08:43:00 PM »
Hmmm, I'm not even sure I have good form in a wingover. I better start paying more attention to that first. I tried the link to the judging clinic, but it says it's either missing or off limits. Maybe part of the server change Robert's been working on.

Tomorrow's hourly forecast looks like 40% chance of scattered T-showers and 7mph winds. Could be a flying day, 7mph is as good as it ever gets here. It was 12 on Thursday.
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EDIT: Okay, thanks guys, a couple of posts and a video came in while I was typing.
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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2013, 11:22:55 PM »
I shot a series of videos that have been hosted by other C/L enthusiasm called "Hands of Paul Walker".  I will have to repost the original on my site.



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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2013, 11:46:04 PM »
Hmmm, I'm not even sure I have good form in a wingover. I better start paying more attention to that first. I tried the link to the judging clinic, but it says it's either missing or off limits. Maybe part of the server change Robert's been working on.

Tomorrow's hourly forecast looks like 40% chance of scattered T-showers and 7mph winds. Could be a flying day, 7mph is as good as it ever gets here. It was 12 on Thursday.
Rusty

EDIT: Okay, thanks guys, a couple of posts and a video came in while I was typing.

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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2013, 07:20:13 AM »
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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2013, 08:54:25 AM »
Thanks to all,
I was wondering the same thing. 
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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2013, 02:54:51 PM »
Rusty-
Thanks for asking the beginner questions! I've been working on the beginner pattern and was trying to figure out the dance steps for the OH8. Got to side with Steve's comment about facing downwind. Started with a H8 and been trying to raise it to overhead. Doing this upwind, I think would be scary!

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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2013, 05:19:22 PM »
Hi, Norm, how is your pattern coming along, any videos? Is your plane holding up? I feel like I'm punishing mine, but so far nothing broken.

And, yeah, I'm full of questions, but these folks welcome them and enjoy spreading the knowledge. The links above are going to be a great help on all of the maneuvers. Been a busy weekend(unfortunately not flying), so I'll digest as much as I can of this info this evening. I stand inside the house and go through some of the motions.

The hell of it is, I can do all of this stuff, except decent squares, with my fast 1/2A planes, but just freestyle with no organization. I thought I would jump right in and look great with the Shoestring. But I was wildly wrong. Trying to fly the precision pattern has cut me down to size. "Precision" being the operative hitch in my giddyup. I'm enjoying the new challenge. Just for fun, I'm going to try some of it with the baby planes too. I'm less likely to crash them and I can yank them out of trouble easier than with the SS. I'll prop them back to a reasonable speed. APCs are good for that. With a 6x2 you can still get the little Tee Dee .051 and Big Mig .061 up to full scream without flying a zillion mph.

Have fun.
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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2013, 07:03:08 PM »
When you are doing any of the tricks, you want to plant your feet and not move them until you have completed the maneuver and are doing the exit to level flight. It's important as a reference to the centerline or intersection. Ideally, I'd want to have my body square to the loops & H8's, but if you're flying a big/heavy plane, you might need to put one foot forward or risk being pulled over onto your beak. Depends also on your height/weight, but at least, keep your feet planted for reference. I will add that for takeoff, I plant my feet so that I'm looking at the plane off my right shoulder, so don't need to move either foot until the plane has made 1/2 lap. I had been ragging on Howard about his takeoffs and suggested trying that, and he claims it's improved his takeoffs. What you do with the feet really matters...also the neutral setting on the handle is critical! 

To do the wingover, you would get ahead of the plane in level laps enough so that you can plant those feet so a line through your ankles would point at the judges or upwind (hopefully both). Spread your feet to a comfortable amount. When the plane almost catches up to that line, you'd start the wingover, hopefully exactly following that line. For a Beginners WO, you'd keep feet planted until you pullout into level upright flight, then move your right foot. For the higher skill classes, you'd pullout inverted, do a half lap inverted, climb into another WO, and then pullout upright, keeping your feet planted until after the upright pullout. At least you won't have to retrain your feet when you move up, and it's not that hard, because there are only two basic dance steps.

Dry flying would be the safe way to get the feet/hand synchronization figured out. If you fly either lefty or CW, you're going to have to figure out how to adapt for yourself, and that's the way to do it.  H^^ Steve 
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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2013, 10:09:02 AM »
Rusty
Been fortunate to have some really excellent coaching plus the benefit of their hand me down planes. Couple contests coming up in Aug, might give it try if I can get up the nerve!

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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2013, 10:59:05 AM »
Hello,

I used to fly my overheads with my feet square to the climb, meaning facing the judges.  Result = overheads out in front of me, not over my head.  Scores like everyone else, mediocre.  

Then I changed it.  Now on entry my right foot is in the same place it would be and my left foot is actually placed a several feet back.  If you drew a line toe to toe it would be about 45 degrees across the maneuver, instead of directly straight across the maneuver, when viewing from above.  I hope that makes sense.  I also bend a little at the knees, as the maneuver progresses I bend more or less as needed.  Knees bent naturally removes pressure from the spine and the legs now are taking the brunt of the pressure from a non natural standing or sitting position.  This position makes it much much much easier to actually bend backwards as my legs are now split and in a good solid support position for my upper body. When you lean back your legs and hips rotate naturally to support your upper body. Now I can easily look straight up.  The pressure of bending over backwards is not squarely placed on my lower back. This helps to keep the maneuver actually directly above me and not out in front of me.  With your feet square to the maneuver bending over backwards is placed 100% on your lower back at your waist.  This is not as stable and or comfortable and can result in a tendency to fly the maneuver out in front of you.

Moving your left foot back also opens up the body to face the outside portion of maneuver making it much easier for us right handers.  

I stay in this position until it passes through the exit then step around and pull out at level flight.
 
Once I switched to this stance this became one of my better maneuvers.

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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2013, 12:21:11 PM »
Hello,

I used to fly my overheads with my feet square to the climb, meaning facing the judges.  Result = overheads out in front of me, not over my head.  Scores like everyone else, mediocre.  

Then I changed it.  Now on entry my right foot is in the same place it would be and my left foot is actually placed a several feet back.  If you drew a line toe to toe it would be about 45 degrees across the maneuver, instead of directly straight across the maneuver, when viewing from above.  I hope that makes sense.  I also bend a little at the knees, as the maneuver progresses I bend more or less as needed.  Knees bent naturally removes pressure from the spine and the legs now are taking the brunt of the pressure from a non natural standing or sitting position.  This position makes it much much much easier to actually bend backwards as my legs are now split and in a good solid support position for my upper body. When you lean back your legs and hips rotate naturally to support your upper body. Now I can easily look straight up.  The pressure of bending over backwards is not squarely placed on my lower back. This helps to keep the maneuver actually directly above me and not out in front of me.  With your feet square to the maneuver bending over backwards is placed 100% on your lower back at your waist.  This is not as stable and or comfortable and can result in a tendency to fly the maneuver out in front of you.

Moving your left foot back also opens up the body to face the outside portion of maneuver making it much easier for us right handers.  

I stay in this position until it passes through the exit then step around and pull out at level flight.
 
Once I switched to this stance this became one of my better maneuvers.



Your description is perfectly clear.  Makes a lot of sense.  I will start using this technique to try and improve the worst looking overhead eights to something resembling the the correct figure.

Thank you.

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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2013, 09:50:28 PM »
Well, the car is packed with 3 planes and the whole shop, and I'll take all of this advice, along with printouts of the AMA Novice and OTS patterns. My flying buddy is working a contest on October 19 and 20 in Huntersville, NC, about an hour and half from my house. So I'll start practicing. I got excited when I saw OTS on the schedule for Saturday, the 19th. But now I realize the Shoestring isn't an OTS plane. Maybe they'll let me fly it as an unofficial competitor. I'll get in touch and ask the organizers. If not, I'll practice the AMA beginner, but OTS looks like it falls much closer to my current skill set. This is all hoping I still have a Shoestring in October. ::)

Anyway, now I have some advice I can put to work. I'm taking the SS and a Baby Flite Streak, my favorite plane ever, and my Tee Dee powered Li'l Satan. I'll take the camera. Hopefully I can get some video.

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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2013, 09:58:32 PM »
Hello,

I used to fly my overheads with my feet square to the climb, meaning facing the judges.  Result = overheads out in front of me, not over my head.  Scores like everyone else, mediocre.  

Then I changed it.  Now on entry my right foot is in the same place it would be and my left foot is actually placed a several feet back.  If you drew a line toe to toe it would be about 45 degrees across the maneuver, instead of directly straight across the maneuver, when viewing from above...  
I just flew that in the living room and it feels as natural as any position I've tried so far. Now I better fix the ceiling fan. Thanks, Doug.
Rusty
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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2013, 10:46:52 AM »
Rusty, you have time to build a Ringmaster for OTS before the contest! If not, let me know and you are welcome to use mine, i also have a flapped Superclown you could use.
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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2013, 12:50:30 PM »
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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2013, 01:38:43 PM »
Rusty, you have time to build a Ringmaster for OTS before the contest! If not, let me know and you are welcome to use mine, i also have a flapped Superclown you could use.
My new C/L buddy is a judge with the club that's sponsoring the October event. So, since the SS isn't an OTS qualifier, I practiced the AMA Novice pattern today. I surprised myself after my first overexcited too-tight flight. My other flights went much better than any I've done before. I'll post a thread about today's adventures later this evening.
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Re: Need a video showing the pilot(not the plane) doing overhead 8
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2013, 01:43:23 PM »
may be small note ... some pilots fly overhead 8 backwards to judges ... it looks funny for me, but it works for them :- )))


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