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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Shorts,David on July 18, 2020, 12:08:44 PM
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Here's something probably nobody cares about. Perhaps I'm just trying to start some controversy. But, feel free to help out in the ??? area and I'll make corrections.
So, with Orestes 2020 win, the Walker Cup goes back to the East Coast.
I have my total at - West Coast 35 wins, Central, which is mostly Texas, but I'm going by time zones (thanks Ty), so Central and Mountain - 15 wins, East Coast 21 wins. Unknown at the moment - 4
2020 - Hernandez East
2019 - Fitzgerald West
2018 - Fitzgerald West
2017 - Fitzgerald West
2016 - Fitzgerald West
2015 - Walker West
2014 - Fitzgerald West
2013 - Walker West
2012 - Moon Central (TX)
2011 - Fitzgerald West
2010 - Werwage East (ohio)
2009 - Fitzgerald West
2008 - Hernandez East
2007 - Hernandez East
2006 - Buck West
2005 - Walker West
2004 - Fitzgerald West
2003 - Fitzgerald West
2002 - Walker West
2001 - Fitzgerald West
2000 - Fancher West
1999 - Fitzgerald West
1998 - Walker West
1997 - Fitzgerald West
1996 - Baron East (Georgia)
1995 - Fancher West
1994 - Walker West
1993 - Walker West
1992 - Walker West
1991 - Walker West
1990 - Walker West
1989 - Casale East ( ?jersey?)
1988 - Casale East
1987 - Walker West
1986 - Fancher West
1985 - Casale East
1984 - Walker West
1983 - Casale East
1982 - Fancher West
1981 - Werwage East
1980 - Les McDonald East (Florida)
1979 - Gieseke Central
1978 - Whitely West
1977 - Rabe Central
1976 - Hunt East
1975 - Gieseke Central
1974 - Gieseke Central
1973 - Rabe Central
1972 - Adamisin East (Michigan)
1971 - Wewage East
1970 - Trostle Everywhere man, Like Johnny Cash, But from Kansas, so maybe Central.
1969 - Lampione East
1968 - Gieseke Central (TX)
1967 - Klapinski West
1966 - Gieseke Central
1965 - Gialdini Central (Wisconsin)
1964 - Silhavy East
1963 - Gialdini Central
1962 - Cipra East
1961 - McFarland Central (Kentucky)
1960 - Silhavy East
1959 - Werwage East
1958 - Pawloski East (ohio)
1957 - Aldrich Central (TX)
1956 - Cummings Central (TX)
1955 - Palmer West
1954 - Hutchins (???)
1953 - Bob Elliott (???)
1952 - Aldrich Central
1951 - Ferguson (???)
1950 - Andrews East
1949 - Thombs (???)
1948 - Slagle West
1947 - Slagle West
1946 - Slagle West
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Hi David,
I can help a little bit. I did NOT win in 1999. Afraid I can't help you re who DID win that year; can't find the Nats Stunt News for '99.
Ted Fancher
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99, some Fitzgerald guy.
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Hi David,
I can help a little bit. I did NOT win in 1999. Afraid I can't help you re who DID win that year; can't find the Nats Stunt News for '99.
Ted Fancher
Thank you Ted. I see it was David, Frank McMillan, and then some guy named Fancher in third. Appreciate the correction.
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iIthought Kenny Stevens won the Nats? Also saw a post congratulating Orestes on win #2, you have him at 3 wins.
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iIthought Kenny Stevens won the Nats? Also saw a post congratulating Orestes on win #2, you have him at 3 wins.
Orestes won in '07 and '08. Looks like Kenny got 5th this morning.
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This is the third win for former world champion Orestes.
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I thought Kenny Stevens won the Nats
No, but he and Orestes were both on America’s excellent 2014 stunt team.
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I stand corrected. Just proves the mind is the 2nd thing to go....
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No, but he and Orestes were both on America’s excellent 2014 stunt team.
There was a third Senior member on the 2014 United States team to the world Championships. If I remember correctly, it was Howard Rush, a former team member on the United States combat team at a previous World Championships many years before.
Keith
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McFarland was from Kentucky, Adamisin lived in Michigan.
I see some longitudinalism in your classification, but I’ve heard a guy from Ohio referring to St. Louis as the West and a lady from Montana calling Montana the Midwest.
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In 1956, Bill Cummings won the NATs in Stunt. He flew any and all control line events. I saw him flying D Speed at a Baton Rouge contest around 1957. He was from Dallas and his father owned a car dealership.
He looked like Elvis with a D speed ship in his hands rather than a guitar.
His close flying pal was Gene Hempel.
Riley Wooten knew him well, too. Just about everyone did.
George Aldrich told me, and others, that in his opinion, Bill was the best flyer to ever pick up a handle.
Bill died tragically in an accident involving a forklift at the Ford plant in Arlington, I believe.
He was a great inspiration for a lot of flyers....
dg
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There was a third Senior member on the 2014 United States team to the world Championships. If I remember correctly, it was Howard Rush, a former team member on the United States combat team at a previous World Championships many years before.
And, speaking of combat and stunt, one of a pair of guys celebrating the 50th anniversary of winning the Nats.
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Thanks for the corrections. I updated my list. Keith, where are you from? I don't have yours. And, yes, Michigan, Kentucky, Wisconsin, perhaps should be called central?
David
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Keith, where are you from? I don't have yours.
David
I sent a message to you.
Some people call Ohio the Midwest.
When Les was flying, he was always living in Florida.
Keith
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Wouldn't Winsconson be a Central state? It is on the other side of the Mississippi while bordering the river . Seems to me Montana would be a Western state Think of all the Cowboy movies taking place in Montana , Wyoming...
John L.
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McFarland was from Kentucky, Adamisin lived in Michigan.
I see some longitudinalism in your classification, but I’ve heard a guy from Ohio referring to St. Louis as the West and a lady from Montana calling Montana the Midwest.
Around these parts, Missouri is considered midwest, and St.Louis is called The Gateway to the West. That started when we put up that big stainless steel wicket that's down on the river front. I just call it home.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Go by using time zones. LL~
Now that is the best idea.. foolproof
John L.
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Go by using time zones. LL~
Problem solved. Thank you sir!
DS
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The general definition is East or West of the Mississippi, but, I crossed the Mississippi today after about 4 hours, then drove 9 *more* hours, and am still well short of halfway across, and have another 6+ hours or more before I even hit the front range of the Rockies - which is about the halfway point of my trip. And there are two more huge mountain ranges with snow on them after that.
Cheyenne, Wyoming, or thereabouts, is about the halfway point between Sunnyvale and Muncie (1200 miles), therefore I assert that anything east of Cheyenne is "eastern". That's also about the breakpoint between the Western terrain and the classic midwest Prairie.
At least one trip across and back is highly recommended for anyone, particularly easterners, because you would have a hard time grasping the scope of the endeavor any other way.
Brett
p.s. After having passed by again, I will officially define the dividing line between East and West (at least along i-80) as the ridge immediately prior to exit 323, Happy Jack Road exit, also the highest point on i-80 (8640 feet). To the east, it still looks like high plains, to the west, it's definitely the mountains and western scale. It's like you fall off the edge of a table as you go west, it has been a steady ramp up from 1000 feet at Omaha, Nebraska, to 8500+ but like a tilted pool table. Then, you crest the ridge, and you drop 1500 feet in 5 miles like you fell off the edge. Then it's more-or-less 7000ish feet +- 500 until you get to Park City Utah.
Note that on I-40, a similar spot is just east of Albuquerque, NM. On I-10, it's sort of out in the middle of nowhere east of Tombstone, Arizona. On 70 you only have a slight dropoff west of town but go south a bit, say, US-24, and the "edge" of the table is east of Colorado springs, and west of Schriever AFB. No one goes on I-70 or 24 any more, since the "World's Largest Prairie Dog" attraction in Oakley, Kansas, is no longer open.
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And the scenery is swell, except for some billboard infestations.
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If you want to see lots of Semi trucks take I-80 if you want a clean drive take I-70, if you want to know why they call Montana " Big Sky Country" take I-90.
John L.
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And the scenery is swell, except for some billboard infestations.
Ladybird must have excluded South Dakota.
Brett
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Yes Brett, it is hard to explain to the east coast contingent that a 250 mile trip to a contest is close. Any thing less than that is like in your back yard. D>K