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Title: Nats 2010 pictures coming?
Post by: proparc on July 20, 2010, 03:30:06 PM

While I know it is still early, is there any chance of 2010 Nats pictures on the way?

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Post by: wwwarbird on July 20, 2010, 09:59:37 PM

 I didn't want to be "that guy", but I'm anxiously waiting too... #^

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 05:50:11 AM

Nat's 2010 photos
Jose modesto

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 05:51:40 AM

More Nat's Photos

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 05:54:53 AM

More Nat's Photos

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 05:56:22 AM

More Nat's Photos

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 05:57:54 AM

More Nat's Photos

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 06:00:26 AM

Nat's 2010

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 06:01:55 AM

Nat's 2010

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 06:03:04 AM

Nat's 2010

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 06:05:16 AM

Nat's 2010

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 06:07:57 AM

Nat's 2010

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 06:59:08 AM

Nat's 2010

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 07:03:38 AM

Nats 2010

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Post by: Les McDonald on July 21, 2010, 07:44:38 AM

Jose,
Great photos!
Thanks so much for "The Fast Service".
Beautiful models but I sure miss the clear canopies with clever stuff inside.
I recall Tom Dixon had a Nobler, many years ago, with a clear canopy although the only thing under it was a type written note that stated "COCKPIT DETAIL".
                                                                         Les McDonald

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Post by: Marvin Denny on July 21, 2010, 07:48:56 AM

  Many thanks for the very good pictures Jose.  It is almost as good as being there.
  Again ---THANKS.

  Bigiron

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Post by: john e. holliday on July 21, 2010, 08:53:11 AM

Ditto from the old DOC .  Great pictures. H^^

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Post by: Dick Pacini on July 21, 2010, 09:21:45 AM

Beautiful ships but I miss seeing a (the)Stiletto in the group... ;)

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Post by: proparc on July 21, 2010, 11:17:22 AM

Jose,
Which one is your plane and equipment?

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 03:04:31 PM

Hey Milton. My model is the Yatsenko Shark with Retro 61LS running FAI fuel.63oz. This plane got a couple if nicknames( Snow White,Casper,Ghost) you get the gist.
This model is the easiest to fly, has the best corner but is hard  for me to fly well 10 flights in a row. i started flying this model one week prior to going to the Nat's as my all composite Vacuum bagged Impact Master 3 was not ready to go. the Impact Master was completed and flown but not painted the week prior to the Nat's. Impact Master 2 was flown this spring but developed a yawing  on very hard corners(remember Gean) like that so it was left home.
Here are photos of the Shark, Impact Master 2 and 3

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Post by: Matt Colan on July 21, 2010, 03:49:55 PM

Thanks for the pics Jose!

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 04:24:38 PM

More Nat's photos

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 04:27:50 PM

More Nat's photo's

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Post by: proparc on July 21, 2010, 04:29:01 PM

Quote from: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 03:04:31 PM

Hey Milton. My model is the Yatsenko Shark with Retro 61LS running FAI fuel.63oz.

I judged a contest where one of the Expert cats was running a Retro. Motor was slamming. Big prop, low rpm, very quiet,(like the F3A RC ships) actually, it was the quietest motor there. Made it very easy to judge his flight because, he wasn't going a stinkin 100 mph!!

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Post by: Brett Buck on July 21, 2010, 04:49:50 PM

Quote from: proparc on July 21, 2010, 04:29:01 PM

I judged a contest where one of the Expert cats was running a Retro. Motor was slamming. Big prop, low rpm, very quiet,(like the F3A RC ships) actually, it was the quietest motor there. Made it very easy to judge his flight because, he wasn't going a stinkin 100 mph!!

    The Retro models actually tend to fly faster than piped planes- generally in the 4.9-5.1 range, although they slow down in the maneuvers. The tuned pipe planes are anywhere from about 5.2-5.5. It's a lot like the 4-strokes, they give the impression of a lot slower speeds than they are really going. They're much quieter than 4-strokes from our measurements, although the top Retro practitioners have made some modifications that get them more power but more noise from the stock setup.

   Part of the lack of noise on the Retro is the fuel. FAI or 5% makes much less of a sharp "crack" when the port opens up. It was really striking on the Fox when we started running 15% - much, much louder and much harsher.

     Brett

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Post by: Shultzie on July 21, 2010, 08:22:13 PM

Jose...
I tried to send you a private E mail...from my AOL account...but your E didn't fly "saying that you were no longer A O L (Always Out of Luck!::) member ???

AGAIN..
YOUR SHOTS ARE ALWAYS SUCH A PLEASURE...AGAIN! YOU HAVE ONE AMAZING ARTISTICAL "MINDS EYE BALL" FOR TAKING GREAT PHOTOS!

A HUGE KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDOE-DO-DA-DAY TO YOU BW@ BW@ CLP** CLP** HH%%

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Post by: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 08:34:11 PM

Shultzie email the same just yahoo.com

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Post by: James Mills on July 21, 2010, 09:26:09 PM

Quote from: jose modesto on July 21, 2010, 08:34:11 PM

Shultzie email the same just yahoo.com

Jose,

Didn't you take any pictures of us newbies holding down the back couple of rows LL~ ;D?

James

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Post by: wwwarbird on July 21, 2010, 09:38:20 PM

 Thanks for the pics Jose! I can almost smell the castor... y1

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Post by: jose modesto on July 22, 2010, 09:13:40 AM

James Mill's you asked here are some additional Nat's Photos
You have to remember i was in the 14 point row so i was backthere.
Jose Modesto

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Post by: Howard Rush on July 22, 2010, 09:17:46 AM

There were some nice airplanes back there. 

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Post by: jose modesto on July 22, 2010, 09:23:18 AM

James more from the back of the room

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Post by: john e. holliday on July 22, 2010, 09:23:57 AM

On some planes, it makes you wonder what the judges saw that the planes didn't get better points.   H^^

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Post by: jose modesto on July 22, 2010, 09:59:06 AM

I attended this years Nat's and the appearance judging is always surprising as to model placing.
I don't know the criteria for judging PA or have i read the appearance judging manual created i believe by Keith Trotsle and claus M(not going to butcher his name like Keith's) so the following is just an opinion.
PA judges should not judge the appearance of the models as this gives a small sample of the judges a double influence on the outcome of the contest(they get to judge twice.) This obviously can only happen if volunteer's are available.

Second like the flying portion of the event judges use their own interpretation of what is good and not a commom set of beliefs or facts.
This is why appearance judging is always interesting specially when the doors are first opened and you see the rows, I first look at the front row and then find my own plane. The following for me is to become and amateur Nat's appearance judge and say why is this here i would have put it there just like every one else.
My impression is that all planes from 18 points to perfection the owners are happy. Row 17 and 16 is where you find the models that you would move
Row 15 and back are the guys that would fight to go from 14(me) to 15 point row. I have a couple of examples.
Photo #1 Stan Powels Impact Stan former Concourse winner
Photo #2 18 point row
Photo #3 Frank mcmilland model  16 pts

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Post by: jose modesto on July 22, 2010, 10:06:30 AM

James additional photos
We need more light in this placebut im happy to have a place for this

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Post by: dssit on July 22, 2010, 10:40:32 AM

jose. who owns image 6189? that is one beautiful plane

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Post by: proparc on July 22, 2010, 12:19:41 PM

Jose,
La photographia, muy, muy bueno!! So happy about your finals placing. #^

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Post by: Jose Javier Rodriguez on July 22, 2010, 12:59:31 PM

Thanks Jose!, For giving us these very interesting photos.

A Greeting

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Post by: James Mills on July 22, 2010, 06:20:15 PM

Quote from: jose modesto on July 22, 2010, 09:13:40 AM

James Mill's you asked here are some additional Nat's Photos
You have to remember i was in the 14 point row so i was backthere.
Jose Modesto

Jose,

Thanks, good to know I was in good company (I was just happy they didn't stick my Shark out in the hallway LL~).  I'm enjoying the pictures apprreciate you posting them.  It was good meeting you at Tom's table (I was the one with the hyper blonde boy).

James

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Post by: john e. holliday on July 22, 2010, 09:18:18 PM

What you didn't have your gorgeous wife with you also?  Hope she is doing well.   H^^

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Post by: jose modesto on July 22, 2010, 10:29:58 PM

James the pleasure was all mine. is this the Shark.
 One more photo of Frank's plane I still cant see this model as a 16 point airplane and it has canopy detail
Jose

Title: Re: Nats 2010 pictures coming?
Post by: James Mills on July 23, 2010, 05:23:51 PM

Quote from: jose modesto on July 22, 2010, 10:29:58 PM

James the pleasure was all mine. is this the Shark.
 One more photo of Frank's plane I still cant see this model as a 16 point airplane and it has canopy detail
Jose

That would be my Shark, about 10 years old now and showing it.  I didn't plan to use it but do to last minute problem had no choice.  I've almost got the new plane ready to put in the air, so maybe next year.

James

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Post by: James Mills on July 23, 2010, 05:26:18 PM

Quote from: john e. holliday on July 22, 2010, 09:18:18 PM

What you didn't have your gorgeous wife with you also?  Hope she is doing well.   H^^

She was there and a great sport sitting out in the heat with me all week.  She's doing very well, had the 6 month check up a couple of months back and no cancer- God is good!

James

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Post by: john e. holliday on July 24, 2010, 07:46:58 AM

That is great news and yes GOD is good.