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Offline Hoss Cain

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MUST READ: DVP 8, DVP: J. Rice informational
« on: April 07, 2010, 10:30:38 AM »
To all:

This is, IMO, a MUST READ. On AMA District VIII Web Site AMA VP/AVP Postings. One of best ever informational items.

http://www.ama-dist-8.org/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&p=414&sid=557ee006e7b24adccaf0279ad2232013#p414


Read it all: Posting here is fruitless unless you have read entire article.  D>K

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>>>"At one time our feelings and direction were to try to leave modeling under AMA as close to status quo as possible....In fact the words that were used were "To regulate model aviation by exempting it from regulation". I am fairly certain that idea is no longer valid!" <<<<

"New Subject>>>>>>>>>>>
I have received so much input from members in disagreement with the removal of the printed contest calendar from Model Aviation that I have asked that it be reviewed at the upcoming EC meeting in mid April."
Horrace Cain
AMA L-93 CD and Leader
New Caney, TX  (NE Houston area)

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Re: MUST READ: DVP 8, DVP: J. Rice informational
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2010, 07:00:54 AM »
When ever I make comments about the AMA I always get scowled by some. But here goes anyway.  The cutting of the contest calender was done to save money??????? Thus that allowed them to not increase dues???????? For years members have asked to belong to the AMA and forgo the magizine. This is not allowed.  So every month the mag comes, I scan it and throw it away. Doesn't even take me 1/2 hour to do this. I don't recall ever looking at the contest calender. So I do not care about it going away. I get the contest information via email and it works quite well for me. So now once again I will make my pitch about the AMA. They are not interested in CL flying at all. They are not interested in serving the members. They are interested in keeping there pockets full. They refuse to allow anyone from belonging without there magazine? So I am concluding that they get the majority of there funds from the advertising they sell in the magizine. ( I have no facts to support this) I draw my conclusion from the removal of the contest calendar as a savings? They can now support more advertising with the new space? Thus we are saved from a dues increase. OK I have said my piece so now you can bring on the argument against what I have said.
Chuck Feldman
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Re: MUST READ: DVP 8, DVP: J. Rice informational
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2010, 08:58:23 AM »
I'm the complete opposite of Chuck. I always take a look at the contest calendar.
Since I travel about half of every month, there just may be a contest or swap
meet I'd like to stop by and check out. It worked out this way years ago when I
was on a long layover in Seattle the same day a Stunt contest was going on, so I
took the bus and spent the day watching some great flying and meeting some
great people. I always read several of the article in MA and have kept every issue
since I joined AMA in 1994. So, I would be rather disappointed to see the Contest
Calendar go away.

Steve

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Re: MUST READ: DVP 8, DVP: J. Rice informational
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2010, 09:21:40 AM »
 ;)Hello Steve,

I understand your point. I limit my travel to the SE USA and that's about it. This year there will be no vacation travel. We all have our point of view about these things and I found your letter to be very well written and interesting. Take care, Chuck
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Re: MUST READ: DVP 8, DVP: J. Rice informational
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2010, 05:27:52 PM »
  I'm with Steve on this one.  When I take a vacation, I like to go through the contest calender for the last month before my vacation and try to make some of the contests along the route.  I tried the "on line" version and found it VERY difficult to navigate and especially if I was traveling through more than a single state. 
  I was probably one of those that the AMA guy was referring to about being "unhappy".
  I still like the mag as far as the contest calender format goes.

  Bigiron
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Re: MUST READ: DVP 8, DVP: J. Rice informational
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2010, 08:27:12 PM »
It would be nice if everyone would update the calendar here on this site. But then I know that not everyone knows about this site, or even has a confuser. n~ HB~>
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Re: MUST READ: DVP 8, DVP: J. Rice informational
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2010, 10:47:15 PM »
When ever I make comments about the AMA I always get scowled by some. But here goes anyway.  The cutting of the contest calender was done to save money??????? Thus that allowed them to not increase dues???????? For years members have asked to belong to the AMA and forgo the magizine. This is not allowed.  So every month the mag comes, I scan it and throw it away. Doesn't even take me 1/2 hour to do this. I don't recall ever looking at the contest calender. So I do not care about it going away. I get the contest information via email and it works quite well for me.

To each his own in that respect. The desire to get AMA members to become aware of the FAA dealings was the primary point of my original post in this thread. One point about that is the history of aeromodeling in this country. In the period of late '70s to early '80s the sport was about to go under. There was too little interest for the RC industry to change over to the new frequencies and modeling was going downhill to the end of the road.
Then came the RC Car craze and the industry again had capital. By 1985 the road was again stretched out as the industry had the financial input of RC Cars to sustain more capital into airplanes which reinvigorated the industry.
So back to what FAA is doing.

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So now once again I will make my pitch about the AMA. They are not interested in CL flying at all. They are not interested in serving the members. They are interested in keeping there pockets full. They refuse to allow anyone from belonging without there magazine? So I am concluding that they get the majority of there funds from the advertising they sell in the magizine. ( I have no facts to support this) I draw my conclusion from the removal of the contest calendar as a savings? They can now support more advertising with the new space? Thus we are saved from a dues increase. OK I have said my piece so now you can bring on the argument against what I have said.

Here are some FACTS that you will probably NOT like. Simply go to the AMA web site, Members Only and study the annual Auditor's Reports. You will find that AMA makes ZERO yankee dollars from the advertising in MA. You will find the "Loss" expense of producing MA (Defined in the IRC as an "Unrelated Business" ) exceeds the cost of the membership's liability insurance package. Therefore I dare say that dropping the Contest Calendar will save one red cent, probably even cost more as it - In My Opinion - may well be replaced with some more articles probably promoting the failed PPP.
Member dues pay for that magazine. You will find that the staff dedicated to periodicals far exceeds the staff assigned to membership services.
I can go on for pages. Hopefully you get some documented facts here that you can research for yourself. I have to be careful as I have been verbally threatened with removal from AMA, or (in writing) stripped from CD and Leader Member and refused to be allowed onto any AMA flying facility. So, while I do have some problems with the AMA Hierarchy, I still support AMA as an organization for ALL aeromodeling, including donations each year even though I am a Life member. Aeromodeling has been a lifestyle for over 65 of my 74 trips around the sun.

Now the threat of FAA is much more a current threat. Maybe not to CL, but as I spoke above about RC Cars saving the RC airplanes, when the RC airplane industry dries up, well the CL, & FF will soon follow. That happens, and the AMA dries up, then so will organized aeromodeling. You will not  then need any Contest Listing because all will be long gone.

So, Mr. Feldman, et. al., I pray you will find that something big is happening in our little world. Aeromodeling does not contain many voters in ref. to the overall country. It is easy to shut us down, then preach how the world was saved by bureaucracy.  y1  This also stems from 41 professional years closely connected to DOD, DOT, and FAA.
Horrace Cain
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New Caney, TX  (NE Houston area)

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Re: MUST READ: DVP 8, DVP: J. Rice informational
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2010, 09:05:07 AM »
Dear Hoss,

I can take you at your word because # 1 your a Texan and # 2  you backed up your comments with facts and research. I did neither. I simply stirred the pot (as usual)  Now that you have shed some light on this I can settled back in my chair. Thanks for enlighten me and hopefully others who may read this tread.

Chuck
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Re: MUST READ: DVP 8, DVP: J. Rice informational
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2010, 09:23:37 AM »
I am glad we have someone with knowledge of the workings of our AMA.  Yes it is ours if we let our District VP know what we think.   H^^

To Chuck if you do not want the magazine after scanning it, do you not have a school close you could give it to the school library?  But, there is so much in the magazine as far as info that is of value in someways even tho it may not be CL.  Free Flight teaches how to build light.  But, when I told Bobby and our Executive Director I read their articles they acted very surprised. Anyway maybe I will bring some more cool temps to Florida if thing go right.   H^^
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Re: MUST READ: DVP 8, DVP: J. Rice informational
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2010, 05:44:34 AM »
Doc,

 Everyone is welcome here in Stuart. Even those who bring us cold weather!  #^
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