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Offline frank mccune

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OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« on: July 13, 2014, 07:49:23 AM »
     Hi All:

     I would like to find the OTS patterns.

     I have researched this via the Internet but can not fin a site that shows these patterns.

     The AMA informed me that they are listed on their site in the rule book but I can not find that find the rule book or the OTS pattern.

      Where may I find the OTS pattern via the internet?

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Offline frank mccune

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Re: OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2014, 08:31:35 AM »
      Hi Jim:

      Thank you for your prompt reply!

      This will give me some direction to my "sport" flying.

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Re: OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2014, 10:37:05 AM »
The 1951-52 AMA pattern rules used to be on the PAMPA website, but I do not see them there.  
Went looking in the Old Time forum and found this. http://www.ccmaconline.org/AMA%2051%20OTS%20Rules.pdf

I suppose everyone started as I did.  Look at the maneuver pictures and go fly.  You might also look at the PAMPA rules on the PAMPA website.   There is a lot of interesting stuff in the OTS rules if you want to get into it.

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Re: OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2014, 12:59:53 PM »
     Hi Jim:

     Thanks for the information.  The added descriptions are great.

     Now, I need an old timeairplane!

                                                                                                Stay well my friend,

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Re: OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2014, 01:30:48 PM »
Did there used to be a novelty pattern or something like that before the present classic pattern around the 50/51 time period. It was listed in an old AMA rule book on Ebay I tried to buy to see what it was but got out bid.

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Re: OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2014, 02:26:07 PM »
The rules and scoresheets for both type are on the new PAMPA site, because I seem to remember putting them there, but only because they are on the old site also which was my source for content, heh. They might be helpful along with the diagrams you have found. Try here.

http://www.pampacl.org/resources/documents/pampa-forms-rules-and-scoresheets.html

Hope that helps,
EricV

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Re: OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2014, 02:40:51 PM »

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Re: OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2014, 04:26:30 PM »
The OTS drawing and written text are consitant with what I have in hand from the actual old Rule Book.

If you take a close look you will see that the drawing and text disagree with each other.  The most glaring example is the laziness of the horizontal eight in the drawing and the roundness in the text.  In modern OTS the roundness prevails.

Also, the text mentions several acceptable ways to enter and exit a stunt.  Modern judges give full marks for only one.



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Offline Jim Thomerson

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Re: OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2014, 05:52:45 PM »
The only OTS maneuver I see commonly done in two different ways is the outside loops. I flip over upside down and enter them from the bottom, as do lots of others.  Another sizable group enters them diving down from upright to enter them at the top.   That's about it for observed legal variability. 

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Re: OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2014, 07:44:38 PM »

Also, the text mentions several acceptable ways to enter and exit a stunt.  Modern judges give full marks for only one.


Well, maybe some modern judges do it that way.  If a judge really understands the OTS rules, he will judge each maneuver as it is described which means that some maneuvers may be flown in different ways.  However, it is a good idea for the pilot to advise the judges prior to his flight that certain maneuvers will be flown differently than what is normally seen.  It is not a good idea to surprise the judges with something they do not expect, even though it is acceptable as described by that rulebook.

Keith

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Re: OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2014, 11:07:03 AM »
In response to Steve, reply #5. Yes the pattern was much different in 1947. Since Jim Walker provided the trophy, he also had a big say in the rules, thus many of them things he could do flying exhibition flights with his Fireball models. At that time the scoring was based on 3 classes of maneuvers. Precision, Aerobatics and Novelty.
Precision: Take off, overhead flight, wheel touching, landing, spot landing.
Aerobatics: Wingover, vertical dive, stall and recovery, inside loop, consecutive loops, square loop, inverted flight, outside loop, inverted inside loop, inverted outside loop, pair of spectacles, rolls, flying two planes at once, looping two planes at once, waltz or formation shift.
Novelty: Unassisted takeoff, pick  up glider, pickup other object, release glider, sign or parachute, laying smoke screen, retract landing gear, carrier flight , dive bombing, balloon bursting, motor control, multiple motor, remote control.
In 1948 AMA went to pretty much what we use for OTS today except the horizontal 8s did not call for vertical in the center and they added a "special maneuver", one of which was to build a 3 foot square of 1/16 sheet balsa, soak it with fuel, light it on fire and fly the model right through it!
The next iteration revised the pattern to the one we fly today in the OTS event.

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Re: OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2014, 11:25:50 AM »
     Hi Jim:

     Thanks for the information.  The added descriptions are great.


     Now, I need an old timeairplane!

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Offline Tom Niebuhr

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Re: OTS pattern from AMA? or another source
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2014, 12:10:03 PM »
Don,
Thanks for the very interesting report on the event history.
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