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[john e. holliday]

If that is what it takes to keep the magazine in the green don't complain.   Also ignore the multi rotor ads showing upon this forum.

[Robert Zambelli]

Multi rotor add on back cover too.

  My issue is already in the trash.

    Bob Z.

[peabody]

Check it out....BEST BUY is selling multi-rotors....and you know the Geek Squad is fully versed on the rules and will recommend joining the Academy.....

[Avaiojet]

Some guy named Pat gets my AMA magazine.

[Randy Cuberly]

If that is what it takes to keep the magazine in the green don't complain.   Also ignore the multi rotor ads showing upon this forum.

Well Doc, I think the term is in the "Black" not green in accounting terms.  However the multirotor things could put them in the red real quick if there's a major lawsuit over some incident that kills some people...Personally I think it's just around the corner!

Any one commercially involved with the things should be running scared right now.  I guess MONEY is just too much incentive to be stupid!

I would guess that the Lawyers are gearing up big time right now!

Randy Cuberly

[Bill Johnson]

How about the single column devoted to C/L? I passed it 3 times because I kept seeing the title "The Toledo Show: R/C Model Expo.

[Motorman]

I don't know why people get so upset that AMA isn't singing the praises of control line modeling. CL has never been an out front main stream kind of thing. It's an exotic specialized sub culture that only a small and fading group of people do. That they have anything about it in a nationally published magazine is amazing.

MM

[Mike Griffin]

I don't know why people get so upset that AMA isn't singing the praises of control line modeling. CL has never been an out front main stream kind of thing. It's an exotic specialized sub culture that only a small and fading group of people do. That they have anything about it in a nationally published magazine is amazing.

MM

Now stop and think about what you just said.  If you are a CL hobbyist that is an insult to your intelligence.  "Exotic specialized sub culture??"  Sometimes I wonder from where you pull these things out of?  I realize I just ended that sentence with a preposition but it was the only way I could think to word it.

Mike

[FLOYD CARTER]

This same issue contains  "AMA's Response to the FAA's sUAS" proposed rule.

Now, "sUAS" is defined as "small unmanned aircraft systems".

The AMA response talks only about those "sUAS".  Maybe they didn't think to realize that sUAS also defines ANY R/C model (aircraft, meaning any vehicle which flies).

The AMA response does NOT try to separate drones (quadcopters) from R/C aircraft in general.  And I thought that the FAA was particularly upset with "drones" flying in restricted airspace, or other non-safe venues.  If the "drone" problem is not specifically addressed, the FAA would be inclined to slap severe restrictions on ALL R/C activity.  When that happens, the AMA will say "what happened?"

Don't forget to read page 148, same issue.  The writer proudly reports on a 20 foot wingspan R/C plane that a bunch of guys built and flew.  Particularly disturbing is the final paragraph of that article.  The guy wants to build "a full-scale aircraft that will be turned into R/C".

No wonder the government wants restrictions on R/C !!  I hope they don't read page 148.

Floyd

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[Robert Zambelli]

Now stop and think about what you just said.  If you are a CL hobbyist that is an insult to your intelligence.  "Exotic specialized sub culture??"  Sometimes I wonder from where you pull these things out of?  I realize I just ended that sentence with a preposition but it was the only way I could think to word it.

Mike

  WELL SAID, Mike! Damn the prepositions - FULL SPEED AHEAD!

  I think I have an idea from where he extracts these things!

   "Exotic specialized sub culture" Right!

  Bob Z.

[JoeJust]

Yea, what you two guys said.  Any sentence that ends in a preposition should be the thing of which you should not put!
Joe
PS the thing I am most concerned with is the AMA's pushing the idea of "Community Based" organizations.  Will the FAA determine that in order to fly any model you must belong to an AMA club in order to fly?  The control line club I belong to is 250 miles from my front door.   

[dave siegler]

did your know that the AMA has a program (new) to get high school kids flying drones. 

The "kit" has all parts including motors and batteries.   The program is to teach operations like flight planning and search and rescue.   


The program aligns itself with first robotics.  the AMA will sponsor regional and national competitions.

Big difference, in FIRST you have to design and fabricate the robot but have some stock parts.   this has not building except a prefab kit.

 

[John Rist]

What AMA needs to do next is run an article on how to mount a lazier on a quad copter!          

[Mike Griffin]

Rusty I think your take is very accurate.

Mike

[Motorman]

Now stop and think about what you just said.  If you are a CL hobbyist that is an insult to your intelligence. 
Mike

I thought about it before I said it. That's ok, I know people that are insulted if someone else is talking in the room. A small specialized group is usually a good thing and if they're outside the norm that's ok with me. Did you think that CL modeling is like football/baseball. That's what everyone is upset about, our beloved AMA is embracing the unwashed masses that buy toys and crash them into things. What we do is hard but not respected, they win by numbers.

MM

[Steve Thomas]

Well, my intelligence wasn't insulted. Maybe I haven't got much to insult in the first place. But "an exotic specialized sub culture that only a small and fading group of people do" seems like a pretty fair description to me, however much we might like to believe otherwise. 

[Mike Griffin]

I sometimes wonder why I even bother.

Couldn't you just see an ad for the NATS that reads....Come join us in Muncie for "an exotic specialized sub culture that only a small and fading group of people do"

Yeah, I've got an 8 X 10 of that.

Mike

[Steve Thomas]

Okay then, it's a 'burgeoning mainstream craze that's taking the world by storm'.  That better?

[Steve Helmick]

Okay then, it's a 'burgeoning mainstream craze that's taking the world by storm'.  That better?

You forgot "retro". Finally, a buzzword that applies to us.  Steve

[Curare]

Well, my intelligence wasn't insulted. Maybe I haven't got much to insult in the first place. But "an exotic specialized sub culture that only a small and fading group of people do" seems like a pretty fair description to me, however much we might like to believe otherwise. 

Agreed. It's not mainstream (=exotic subculture) it's not as easily accessed as an RTF model (=specialised) , and from the outside appears to be populated by funny old men playing with toys.

[dennis lipsett]

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Oh! I ended that last sentence with the last of the 19 known prepositions. for shame.

Yes, this is a microscopic part of a hobby with so few remaining participants as to not even be a dot on the landscape. I don't have any problems with that.

Dennis

[Mike Griffin]

at after by down for from in of on after past round since through till to under up with.
Oh! I ended that last sentence with the last of the 19 known prepositions. for shame.

Yes, this is a microscopic part of a hobby with so few remaining participants as to not even be a dot on the landscape. I don't have any problems with that.

Dennis

Then I wonder how long it will be before The Control Line portion of the NATS will be eliminated since we are such a microscopic part of the hobby? 

[Bill Johnson]

CL has never been an out front main stream kind of thing. It's an exotic specialized sub culture that only a small and fading group of people do. MM

I don't agree with that statement at all. To anyone growing up in the 50's and 60's and interested in aero modeling, control line flying was widespread and much more accessible then radio control. 

Then there's the Walker Cup, one of the oldest trophies in modeling that is still awarded. A C/L award.

if it makes you feel good being described as part of "an exotic specialized sub culture that only a small and fading group of people do", fine. Me, I just hang out with a bunch of guys who have fun but are disappointed that the majority of the aero modeling community seems to have forgotten their roots.

[John Cralley]

Every control line modeler needs to get out and participate in the 8th Annual Worldwide Ringmaster Fly-A-Thon October 3rd & 4th! We can show the AMA that although we are a small segment of their membership, we are a dedicated and enthusiastic group!

Take a good look at the September issue of Model Aviation when it comes out! There will be a feature article on control line modeling!

Download the attached informational flyer file! This event requires no registration or entry fee. You don't need to belong to the AMA to participate! Encourage you club and flying partners to join in the Fly-A-Thon!

[john gunn]

free flight and control line is a hobby that we use skills to build, paint and trim a plane into a sport and we compete with it.  That proves that we are a more intelligent group of people than those that buy  and fly.  I do not try to teach cl anymore, if it does not have a reset button, most people are not interested in the needed work  for repairs.

[Mike Griffin]

I don't agree with that statement at all. To anyone growing up in the 50's and 60's and interested in aero modeling, control line flying was widespread and much more accessible then radio control. 

Then there's the Walker Cup, one of the oldest trophies in modeling that is still awarded. A C/L award.

if it makes you feel good being described as part of "an exotic specialized sub culture that only a small and fading group of people do", fine. Me, I just hang out with a bunch of guys who have fun but are disappointed that the majority of the aero modeling community seems to have forgotten their roots.

Agree 100%

[Mike Griffin]

I just hang out with a bunch of guys who have fun but are disappointed that the majority of the aero modeling community seems to have forgotten their roots.

The above statement is why I am back in cl, after leaving for decades to fly rc.  To me the root is people who make their own planes.  Somebody said cl is about half ARF now.  I don't know if that is true or not.  All I know is that I fly with the cl guys now because I do not know any rc guys that make their own planes.  Yes, I know I am not accepting of the shake and bake, microwave modeler.   I don't care.  I am used to the days when, if you could not build a model, you was a spectator. 

Its sort of like being in a cooking club and showing up with a cake you bought a publix

Agree 100%

[Mike Griffin]

Rusty, Bill and John G.  You guys just nailed the essene of CL flying. 

Mike