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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Robert Zambelli on October 23, 2015, 06:09:47 AM
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This just in from AOPA.
It's a shame it's come to this.
Must be one hell of a task.
"The Department of Transportation and the FAA have published new details about plans to register unmanned aircraft systems and set out their legal authority to regulate all UAS of any size, including model aircraft.
In a notice published in the Federal Register on Oct. 21, the DOT cited existing regulations that already require the registration of all aircraft, including UAS, and noted that Congress has confirmed the FAA’s authority to regulate unmanned aircraft of all types. And while the FAA has exercised discretion and chosen not to enforce that requirement on recreational UAS in the past, the dramatic increase in reports of unsafe UAS operations has caused DOT to reconsider that practice.
But while the FAA plans to enforce its authority to require that unmanned aircraft be registered, it also wants to make the process less burdensome than the current paper-based registration system. A task force announced by DOT and the FAA during an Oct. 19 news conference will assist in that process by providing input on the type of information that should be collected, what type of registration platform should be used, and which if any UAS should be exempt from registration requirements because they pose a negligible risk to the National Airspace System.
“We appreciate the FAA’s move to create a task force made up of diverse stakeholders to provide input on these important decisions,” said AOPA President Mark Baker. “The safety of our airspace and everyone who operates in it is paramount, but we also want to ensure that the UAS community can continue to grow and thrive. Although model aircraft have been operating for many years largely without incident, other applications for unmanned aircraft are relatively new and have enormous commercial and recreational potential. Right now, we have the opportunity to make sure that regulatory requirements are right-sized to provide real safety and accountability benefits without stifling innovation, unnecessarily burdening operators, or driving up costs.”
The planned task force of 25 to 35 members will include representatives from government as well as from both the manned and unmanned segments of the aviation community. The panel will have to move swiftly to develop recommendations in order to meet the Nov. 20 deadline set by the FAA.
To help the task force make meaningful recommendations, the FAA also has asked the public to provide comments answering specific questions about how to best identify individual UAS; whether registration should take place at the point of sale or prior to the operation of a new UAS; how registration data should be collected, stored, and used; and whether and how to collect a registration fee, among other issues.
In explaining its decision to develop a new registration system for UAS, the FAA noted that the number of pilot reports of potentially hazardous UAS operations has doubled in 2015 compared to the previous year, adding that pilots have spotted UAS at altitudes up to 10,000 feet and close to the approach ends of runways. The FAA also cited incidents that led to the grounding of firefighting aircraft earlier this year. The agency said it wants to create a culture of accountability and responsibility among UAS operators while creating “a space for the creativity, innovation, and exploration that will drive this industry forward.”
Part of the issue seems to be that, with the proliferation of highly capable UAS, many operators are unaware that they are operating within the National Airspace System and don’t understand the requirements for doing so safely. AOPA has been advocating for improved education to make recreational UAS owners aware of the regulatory and safety requirements affecting their operations. The association has contacted UAS operator groups and manufacturers, and has also formally weighed in on pending regulations governing small commercial UAS.
“Decades of experience with model aircraft have shown that most people want to operate responsibly,” said Melissa Rudinger, AOPA vice president of government affairs. “It’s up to us as a broader aviation community to identify the best ways to provide operators the tools and information they need to do that.”
While task force members have not yet been identified, AOPA has been actively engaged in UAS issues and has said it will participate if asked."
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Thanks for posting this Bob. I am still a little confused as to how this will affect someone who orders an RC plane from Tower and goes to his field to fly it. Is everyone flying RC going to have to register?
Thanks
Mike
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And lets include AMA's official response .....
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Dear Members,
As you might be aware, in a press conference on Monday October 19, 2015, the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) announced its intent to require registration for certain small unmanned aircraft systems (sUAS).
Led by Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx and FAA Administrator Michael Huerta, a concept was laid out calling for the creation of a task force to develop a plan to implement the registration process.
AMA was represented at the press conference by Government and Regulatory Affairs Representative Rich Hanson who offered comments on behalf of our organization. Representatives from the Association for Unmanned Vehicles Systems International (AUVSI) and the Air Line Pilots Association also provided input. A video of the press conference can be found here.
AMA has also been invited to participate in the task force which has been charged with completing its work by mid-November 2015.
The DOT is looking at the full spectrum of sUAS that would be subject to registration, and AMA agrees that registration may be appropriate at some level; however, before the process can be established, AMA believes that a threshold must be identified that will determine which platforms, what aircraft with what capabilities, will require registration and which will not.
AMA believes that traditional model aircraft, as well as the “toy-type” drones with minimal capability would fall below the threshold and not be subject to the registration process.
In a prepared statement released yesterday, AMA was clear in its position that any required registration process “should not become a prohibitive burden for recreational users who fly for fun and educational purposes and who have operated harmoniously within our communities for decades.”
AMA does not and will not support any proposal that calls for the registration of any sUAS that fall below an established threshold and is resolute in its position that all forms of traditional model aircraft must remain exempt from the registration process.
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Almost on subject, Sat. morning before the beginning of our Baton Rouge contest at Independence Park a drone flier showed up wanting to fly his craft during our contest. He wanted to be able to hover around doing video's. I told him no. Our park system prohibits all forms of R.C. aircraft flying in their city and parish parks. I asked him if he was an AMA MEMBER OUT CURIOSITY and he said no. I'll have to call the head of park grounds and maintenance and see if they are enforcing their restrictions on drones too. I watched how some of them were operated at "JOE NALL" and some were not operated very safe.
Doug
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This whole registration of UAS is total garbage!!
This is just a money grab. That is all this is. Plain and simple, a money grab.
The one word in that entire statement that should stand out to everyone is "fee." What does this "fee" do for us the consumer/operator?
Requiring someone to register their UAS does not make them operate it safely.
The FAA writes laws...
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Many R/Cr's have 10 or 15 planes. If they have to register each one even at a small fee it could add up to quite a bit of money considering how many R/Cer's there are. All the money will go to pay for the people that are doing nothing to alleviate the problem. Technology is great until it ruins us. It is going to be interesting to see how it all pans out. Maybe our R/C field will put in a couple of more control line circles, but I won't hold my breath. I was considering getting another radio as my two that I have are old 86 JR Century VII PCM jobs. They still work great on 72.
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This whole registration of UAS is total garbage!!
This is just a money grab. That is all this is. Plain and simple, a money grab.
The one word in that entire statement that should stand out to everyone is "fee." What does this "fee" do for us the consumer/operator?
Requiring someone to register their UAS does not make them operate it safely.
The FAA writes laws...
Yeah, as much as I hate to, I have to agree, but the same thing can be said about any kind of registration, be it gun registration, vehicle registration, driver's licensing, gun carry permits, business registration, etceteras!! Not a one, guarantees any kind of safety to the ordinary citizen but it does give hope to the likelyhood enforcement officials, whomever they may be, of nabbing the "fruitcakes" who intentionally or accidentally cause harm or damage at some point in time! Maybe the fees, somehow, over time, weave their way into covering the cost of finding the "fruitcakes", dealing with them and maybe even putting a bit of "DON'T" into someone who might want to consider doing something they shouldn't!! ;) Wha'da'ya think?? Possibly?? Maybe??
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I believe that attempting to register drones would be as futile as gun registration - it just ain't gonna happen. n~
With the thousands of drones/quadcopters already in use, I cannot imagine any way of registering all of them.
It would be a monumental task requiring thousands of agents and tech equipment. y1
Besides, we can't afford it. We have to direct billions of dollars to the iran nuclear program! LL~
Bob Z.
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It's funny how my past "negative" posts stated that this is what it would come down to, and that my attitude wasn't helping things.
I'm only a pessimist because I'm observant....
I knew it would come to this.
I hope that all normal line of sight modeling without camera gear is excluded. But I doubt it.
What they need to do, is start fining, then locking up, the offenders, period. That's the only way to handle this "drone" problem.
Regards, Chris
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It's funny how my past "negative" posts stated that this is what it would come down to, and that my attitude wasn't helping things. I'm only a pessimist because I'm observant.... I knew it would come to this. I hope that all normal line of sight modeling without camera gear is excluded. But I doubt it. What they need to do, is start fining, then locking up, the offenders, period. That's the only way to handle this "drone" problem. Regards, Chris
We could see more CL fliers as a result, which could be a positive benefit.
I don't have my hopes up high, as big government steps in to limit our freedoms in the name of so called war against crime, with is solvable. When I worked construction, our inspectors were considered engineering technicians and thus got a decent salary. They had to know the codes and contract language like the engineers and contracting officers. Yet our police officers, who in essence are justice of the peace technicians, who must know the numerous laws with knowledge of a judge and keep abreast on apprehension techniques and fitness are some of the lowest paid people in society. Our school teachers, in a system which ought to be encouraging law abiding behavior and preparing students for the working world, are also among some of the lowest paid.
I enjoyed the freedom of thinking that if nothing else, I could fly in a national park, away from the congestion and people. Now, many locations ban model aircraft flight. Off road trails for hiking and dirt bike riding are being closed in the name of land preservation. We are slowly becoming planned communities, where one can't breathe without breaking some form of ordinance or law.
This is why I enjoy rural living. Thus far we appear unaffected. But our nation's departure from the Bill of Rights and Constitution, especially in light of recent decisions including the SCOTUS, neglect toward our war veterans, disregard toward law abiding citizens in immigration issues, perpetuating the right to income without work and disregarding 2nd Amendment right to bear arms are alarming.
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And the laws banning the use of parks for our use is because of a few nit wits that don't respect property. I see what the bike riders are doing to a local park with the riding functions they are doing.
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Seems like we continue to experience evolution.
Only just over 100 years ago we were transported by horses and horses with buggies. Then someone showed up with the automobile and our forefathers were all upset as their horses were being scared. But the autos prevailed and look at us today.
25 years ago we were all concerned our youth had gone to computer games and we couldn't interest them. Now we have drones, they are upsetting our reality, but attracting youth. How do we use them to our advantage?
(Perhaps all the bureaucratiic regulation about to come will be an incentive to a simpler life with c/l?)
G
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Registration will be a big flop. Total banning will take place soon when some USA hater deliberately uses his drone to blow up a government installation, a Marine recruitment center, a football stadium, a school, or what ever his twisted mind can dream up. Never in my life has anything I said make me wish it was totally wrong except this one! I am only surprised it hasn't happened yet.
Joe
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Joe I agree, it is just a matter of time until some deranged moron fits a bomb on one of these things and flies it into a crowd. I can see it coming.
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Registration will be a big flop. Total banning will take place soon when some USA hater deliberately uses his drone to blow up a government installation, a Marine recruitment center, a football stadium, a school, or what ever his twisted mind can dream up. Never in my life has anything I said make me wish it was totally wrong except this one! I am only surprised it hasn't happened yet.
Joe
The movie productions haven't shown them how yet.
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And the laws banning the use of parks for our use is because of a few nit wits that don't respect property. I see what the bike riders are doing to a local park with the riding functions they are doing.
Sometimes the presence of a few genuine Christian bikers with an organization like CMA (http://www.cmausa.org/ (http://www.cmausa.org/) Christian Motorcyclists Association) can help in tempering a party. Regarding ban, seems almost universal all around, except in some rural communities where people know each other. During my generation I saw the development of punishing the masses by restricting freedom rather than deal with the few troublemakers. Seems to be a universal philosophy and an erroneous one at that. It gives the appearance of doing the right thing without dealing with the root of the situation.
25 years ago we were all concerned our youth had gone to computer games and we couldn't interest them. Now we have drones, they are upsetting our reality, but attracting youth. How do we use them to our advantage? (Perhaps all the bureaucratiic regulation about to come will be an incentive to a simpler life with c/l?) G
That's what I was thinking, making apple sauce from good parts cut from spoiling apples. I think CL would make a good man cave event.
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Dammit, people, these are NOT model airplanes . . . they are dangerous TOYS. Too bad that the Academy of Multirotors and ARFs seems to be "following the money".
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RIGHT ON, Mike. They have been, in some cases, proven to be dangerous toys.
In my opinion, this runs a parallel with the morons who are pushing gun control.
Some slimebag goes and shoots up a college and immediately we have to take guns away from all the law abiding citizens. Sure, that'll stop crime.
Similar with drones. Although I do not support them in any way whatsoever, I'm sure that many people are just having fun with them.
A small group of miscreants pull illegal crap with drones and someone proposes to go after every drone owner. Just like our fearless leader wants to do with guns.
As I said before, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! There are simply too many out there.
Bob Z.
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They ought to just apply existing law instead of creating more.
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Sometimes the presence of a few genuine Christian bikers with an organization like CMA (http://www.cmausa.org/ (http://www.cmausa.org/) Christian Motorcyclists Association) can help in tempering a party.
Kind off subject, but CMA was at Waco, along with several other religious based groups. Didn't stop Waco PD from arresting everyone that was in the restaurant.
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RIGHT ON, Mike. They have been, in some cases, proven to be dangerous toys.
In my opinion, this runs a parallel with the morons who are pushing gun control.
Some slimebag goes and shoots up a college and immediately we have to take guns away from all the law abiding citizens. Sure, that'll stop crime.
A small group of miscreants pull illegal crap with drones and someone proposes to go after every drone owner. Just like our fearless leader wants to do with guns.
Bob Z.
1.3million people die in one year by car accidents I guess we need more traffic laws. Better yet ban all cars. Its not the car who kills people unless its a Google driverless car.
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Register my planes and drones....shoot I have so many I'm not even sure where they are all even at. Better off trying to get me to register my guns first. n~ Idiots