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Offline Jim z

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Monokote
« on: December 20, 2024, 08:38:15 PM »
What happened to monokote ?   Why is it not available…

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2024, 08:40:27 PM »
Monocote was made by Top Flight Models.  They went out of business many years ago.

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2024, 12:38:20 AM »
Monocote was made by Top Flight Models.  They went out of business many years ago.

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   Thanks Dave,    Is there a substitute that people are using?

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2024, 06:12:14 AM »
I think there may be other iron-ons still out there.   I never really used them much so haven't kept up with that.  If you still have a hobby shop in your area that caters to RC they should have something.   You might also check Ebay.

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2024, 06:24:19 AM »
Jim,

Horizon Hobby bought the Top Flite brand years ago.  They continued selling Monokote up until the point that the factory would no longer make it for them.  You can still find Monokote if you search online (ebay, old stock at online hobby shops, RC Groups, etc.)

Horizon also has a competing product called Ultracoat, and as I understand it, this iron on covering is still being made.

Compared to Monokote, Ultracoat will seem thicker and more rubbery, and many colors are less glossy by comparison.

There is a newer product being sold, called Nuecover.  Some have nicknamed this product 'Chinacoat', for obvious reasons.  I've haven't used this myself but rumor has it that it is more like Monokote than Ultracoat.  https://valuehobby.com/covering
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Re: Monokote
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2024, 07:33:46 AM »
I think the best at the moment, also better than Monokote, is Oracover. They have many different types.
www.oracover.de
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Re: Monokote
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2024, 08:52:37 AM »
Since I cover most of my planes with Jet White Monokote this thread has me a bit spooked, so I checked on what was still out there.  Seems like the EBay crowd has discovered this as well.  The only place I could find White without filling out a credit application was Tower Hobby.  I have bought three rolls of their "Flat" white which were actually gloss labeled flat.  Does anybody know if that is still the case?   I asked them twice about a year ago and got "Yes" and "No" as the answers to "is it flat".  I was told that Top Flight ran out of labels near the end and put "flat" labels on everything.  Anybody know which it is?  Any other sources, all of the usual suspects are showing "Out of Stock" which translates to "Discontinued".  I am ordering small quantities of the various "ChinaKote"'s to see if there is anything even close.

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2024, 08:57:11 AM »
I think the best at the moment, also better than Monokote, is Oracover. They have many different types.
www.oracover.de
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At $40 a roll plus shipping - Ouch!  Cheaper on Amazon and the Bay but no White.

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2024, 09:41:29 AM »
Brodak sells TopFlite Monokoat white. It is glossy.

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2024, 10:45:58 AM »
   Momokote and then  Super Monokote was made originally by Top Flight Models in Chicago. It was one of the products that Great Planes/Tower Hobbies wanted when the bought out Top Flight and destroyed the tooling for any products that they produced up to that point. They wanted Monokote, the R/C kit line which they redesigned, the iron on tools and some other building products. They later came out with the Nobler, Flight Streak and Tutor -II ARFs.  Great Planes had Super Monokote produced in mill rolls for them to package in house,  and the formula changed a couple of times . When Great Planes went belly up, filed for bankruptcy and Horizon Hobby took over what was left and eliminated  much of the Great Planes line of products. They never produced Super Monokote. What you see on eBay is stashes of stuff held in warehouses in several locations. In it's heyday, Tower Hobbies funneled all returns through a warehouse in Champaign., IL not far from their location and you could often find a guy selling stuff from there out of the trunk of his car at the NATS in Muncie. I think this is one of the warehouses that you see on eBay selling left overs and such, sometimes you are buying it by the foot from a mill roll. I don't have too much experience with the other brands like Ultracoat and when I d id use it I wasn't too happy with it. What the world needs now is a rerun of the original Super Monokote!! That was the best iron on covering on the market.
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Re: Monokote
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2024, 11:04:19 AM »
At $40 a roll plus shipping - Ouch!  Cheaper on Amazon and the Bay but no White.

Ken

My understanding is that Ultracote is Oracover, and can be had very easily on Amazon.

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2024, 11:39:28 AM »
My understanding is that Ultracote is Oracover, and can be had very easily on Amazon.

Steve

Isn't Oracover re-branded as Ultracote, and made in Europe? Where in Europe, IDK. Germany seems likely.  D>K Steve
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Re: Monokote
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2024, 12:27:33 PM »
Isn't Oracover re-branded as Ultracote, and made in Europe? Where in Europe, IDK. Germany seems likely.  D>K Steve

That's my understanding. I have a bunch of rolls of it, and it seems to work well enough.

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2024, 12:40:03 PM »
Isn't Oracover re-branded as Ultracote, and made in Europe? Where in Europe, IDK. Germany seems likely.  D>K Steve

     If I'm remembering things correctly, Ultracote was originally a Carl Goldberg Models product, and as Goldberg Models got bought and sold over the years I can't remember what happened to Ultracote. I will have to remember to check the rack at the hobby shop I used to work part time at and see if it still has Goldberg signage on it. I think the last of the Super Monokote production was in Germany also.
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Re: Monokote
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2024, 03:02:42 PM »
Brodak's $40 for a roll is above my pay grade.  I am gambling $15 for two rolls of "Ultracote" on AliExpress.  Both prices included shipping.  Coming from China it is probably crap but worth a try.

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2024, 06:30:09 PM »
I picked up about 8 rolls of "Chinakote" sold by Hobby King when I was going for cheaper. It shrank up nicely, better than Monokote. The adhesive would sometimes bleed at seams, but by carefully using a light wipe with a solvent cleaned that up. Rolls came in 5 meter (15 foot) lengths, which is nice.

The stuff is now sold through other sources with various names. Haven't been doing much shopping lately, so can't give leads.

Used to be able to buy from Hobby King China outlet, but due to shipping costs skyrocketing over the recent years since Covid, that option is out. Their US warehouse last I checked did not have as much of the covering in stock as overseas. Sort of hit or miss.

YMMV.

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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2024, 08:56:30 PM »
I picked up about 8 rolls of "Chinakote" sold by Hobby King when I was going for cheaper. It shrank up nicely, better than Monokote. The adhesive would sometimes bleed at seams, but by carefully using a light wipe with a solvent cleaned that up. Rolls came in 5 meter (15 foot) lengths, which is nice.

The stuff is now sold through other sources with various names. Haven't been doing much shopping lately, so can't give leads.

Used to be able to buy from Hobby King China outlet, but due to shipping costs skyrocketing over the recent years since Covid, that option is out. Their US warehouse last I checked did not have as much of the covering in stock as overseas. Sort of hit or miss.

YMMV.
Good to hear.  I have done a lot of orders with Hobby King over the years.  I suppose Trump is going to put a fly into that ointment, but I guess that is our part of paying the price to clean up this mess.  The AliExpress stuff looks like the same I saw on Hobby King.  Will know soon.

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2024, 03:42:25 AM »
Hello I really miss Monokote it was the best product we could get in New Zealand from North Shore Hobbies who also sold the Top Flite control line range of kits.
The solar film range was okay and a bit cheaper but that went away about 10 year ago. The cheap film from China is a lot cheaper then Oracover here but not as good and the glue is not fuel proof and all seems need fuel proofing or it peels off and the color smears and spreads out and you end up with 'clear mylar' patches.

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2024, 06:14:51 AM »
I'm tempted to try the Chinakote on my next project. Cheaper and user friendly. It'll be electric, so no need to worry about fuel issues. Currently in the process of covering an RC ship with Ultrakote. The price just increased to $20 a roll on Amazon. Still good stuff but a challenge around curves and wingtips. Heavier than Moneycote, but stronger.

On another note, has anyone discovered a good substitute for the discontinued TF Monokote Trim Solvent ? Going to try Acetone but that might be too strong.

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2024, 06:59:53 AM »
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I'm tempted to try the Chinakote on my next project. Cheaper and user friendly. It'll be electric, so no need to worry about fuel issues. Currently in the process of covering an RC ship with Ultrakote. The price just increased to $20 a roll on Amazon. Still good stuff but a challenge around curves and wingtips. Heavier than Moneycote, but stronger.

On another note, has anyone discovered a good substitute for the discontinued TF Monokote Trim Solvent ? Going to try Acetone but that might be too strong.
The Monokoters around here all use Acetone as far as I know.  Pure Acetone from the Box Store might be stronger that the wife's fingernail polish remover that I get at Walmart.  We will know next month if it works on ChinaKote  :o

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2024, 07:07:15 AM »
Has anybody tried the vinyl iron on sold in craft stores for t-shirts as trim for lettering etc.?  We have a fabric store closing here and they have walls of every color imaginable on sale at 70% off which equates to about $1 a roll.  I don't think it is useful for covering but the adhesive is washer/dryer safe so maybe.....  ???

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2024, 09:36:48 AM »
Ken,
I think the issue with vinyl is weight, for small trim, lettering should be OK. May need to clear at least the edges to prevent fuel damage unless electric.

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2024, 05:09:57 AM »
unfortunately oracover or ultracote (same stuff juts change the package) or chinakote start to rot and peel off within 2-4 years. i have been covering models for the last 30 years and most of the oracover models after 5 years peeled off. Monokote on the other hand lasts longer but is off business now
my "solution" to it is to sheet the whole wing as i have experienced with my deceased hellcat, the extra weight actually ended up being the same, so no extra, juts need to be very carefull with the painting process. hope the trade put monokote back in production or china raise the quality, since for RC models painting is not an option ( unless itīs a scale job)

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Re: Monokote
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2024, 12:49:59 PM »
Does anyone have a current source for FasCal or a FasCal equivalent? 

It's a clear sticky-back film that really works great.
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Re: Monokote
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2024, 04:51:02 PM »
Does anyone have a current source for FasCal or a FasCal equivalent? 

It's a clear sticky-back film that really works great.
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