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Offline Bootlegger

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metal tank repairs/mods
« on: July 25, 2016, 07:27:44 AM »

 Guy's I am building/modifying metal clunk tanks, and when I pressure test them I leave the pressure on the tank for a few hours.

 Then sometime I find leaks and repair them again.
 What method of testing do you use, and how well does it work??

 Also sometime I will pull a vacuum to help with leak detection.  Please share your tank building/modifying methods with me...

    Thanks a lot...







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Re: metal tank repairs/mods
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2016, 07:58:51 AM »
            I'm assuming your checking your tanks underwater with pressure in them. A simple 5 oz. syringe will do this just fine assuming you have the other caps properly terminated. Old tanks with the plating oxidized and surface rust on the outside needs to be properly dealt with prior to soldering. I scarify with a soft bristle wire wheel in a drill press followed with a cleaning of lacquer thinner or acetone prior to soldering. Unfortunately though, a locked seam that's rolled will not allow for a proper cleaning therefore a more thorough treatment of the wire wheel may be necessary to clean the joint to accept solder. Proper temp and cleaning is imperative. I'm quite handy at soldering and while there are those that mention they use a very low wattage iron, I use a very high one. Tank caps once soldered onto the tank can quickly get heat soaked by the rest of the tank. This is why having more than enough heat is important. This is generally not an issue when installing but more of one when taking apart. Tank caps will retain a bit of solder where the initial contact was made leaving that area already tinned. Many times as the solder cools it forms a radius which until properly heated doesn't allow the end cap to properly fit. I either wire wheel this solder out of the joint or remove it as best as possible leveling the solder with a pencil iron.

             Prior to assembly, I use a wood dowel and rub it inside the tank to spring out the metal slightly and remove any oil canning or dents. Bending the end cap by placing it onto the tank and using a small hammer can tighten up the end caps allowing for a nice fitting cap which assists in the soldering. This prevents any fish mouths caused by the tank not fitting the end cap properly. Solder doesn't bridge large gaps well and are subject to vibrations which while it may pass your pressure test, it can also fail when in use. Older tanks however used a lot of brass tubing which I have found to split internally causing problems which a pressure test won't reveal. Replace the pickup tube with quality copper K&S tubing and insure that you solder it to the rear of the tank. I have never come across a Perfect tank that had it's pick up tube soldered inside. As I mentioned about the brass, the Perfect tanks utilized brass for their tanks. Having flux on your hands and touching the parts can also cause oxidation. Keep the tin as clean as possible. Solder your front cap on and pickup internally, including your fill and vent pipes. Next wash the tank thoroughly using a acid brush with thinner or acetone removing all traces of flux and other contaminants.

               Soldering the rear end cap on next, I try to place the cap on tightly as mentioned above and I run a small bead of flux around the perimeter of the cap. I use very little as I don't want to introduce flux into the tank. I solder the end cap on with the last cap facing upwards using the heat to draw the solder into the joint. I then fill the tank with a high castor based fuel and let sit overnight. . I make certain that for the first few runs I'm using a inline filter. This takes a bit of time usually around 2 hours to do this but I rarely have a issue afterwards. It allows me to properly clean internally and solder all joints correctly. I have found issues with almost all commercially available tanks from pipes falling out and leaking to pickup tubes not being soldered correctly to not even being in the correct location.

                   I have a Mighty Vac which I found due to having so many inline connections can show more leaks through the connections themselves opposed to what I'm actually testing. The underwater method works fast and shows immediate results. Prior to me placing the tank underwater, keep in mind that flux can mask a small pin hole leak so cleaning the joint first is also important. Try and inflate the tank as though your trying to pop it.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2016, 11:52:07 AM by kenneth cook »

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Re: metal tank repairs/mods
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2016, 12:39:02 PM »
Thanks Ken,
  I am building a metal clunk tank so that I can get the amount of capacity that I want. I am using some .007 thickness metal that is new, so I don't have rust problems.( mild steel)
 Primarily what I want to know is should I leave pressure on the tank ( I am using a 5 oz syringe for pressure) for a period of time, or just long enough to see that it doesn't leak?
The seam is just an overlap seam, not a crimped one, and I am having some trouble sealing this seam, I am using rosin core solder with some flux to help keep the metal clean.
 I also pull a vacuum on the tank and tap on it with a plastic handle screw   driver to be sure that the joints aren't just a flux joint.
I hope that this makes it a little more clear, and thanks again for the advice,  please don't stop with the suggestions...
 
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Re: metal tank repairs/mods
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2016, 12:57:21 PM »
Ken, That's a great tutorial on repairing tanks.

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Re: metal tank repairs/mods
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2016, 01:52:55 PM »
Hello Boot
                      What I do is go to my nearest auto body paint store and buy a new gallon can. The metal is about .008 and using a tin snip I cut the top and bottom and make the tank out of that. I use a couple of hand brakes for the bends and have used  K&S brass tubing but will be changing to copper since I bought it from Pep Boys. I immerse  my tanks in water for the leak test simply blowing thru a piece of silicone tubing with the overflow and uniflow vents plugged. I use a weller soldering gun and rosin core solder. I like making my own tanks that way I`m sure there is no corrosion inside. Here are the pics of a Tank for a Sterling F-84.
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Re: metal tank repairs/mods
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2016, 05:29:39 PM »
           Juan, as always your work is impeccable. I recall seeing these pictures some time ago. Your work is very neatly orchestrated and clean. Ken

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Re: metal tank repairs/mods
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2016, 09:53:01 PM »

          Thanks Ken you are very kind.
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Re: metal tank repairs/mods
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2016, 10:49:16 PM »
Tried Boiling the last few in baking soda solution , to get rid of long term oxidation inside.
Seemed to improve the detection of leaks , or expose them somewhat - a dry seam area .

Sucked it full in the pot .
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Re: metal tank repairs/mods
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2016, 06:40:38 AM »
     Hi All:

     Thanks for the great posts regarding building metal tanks.

     Juan. Do you make relief cuts or notches when you form the radii for the end caps and tank?


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Re: metal tank repairs/mods
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2016, 07:14:37 AM »

        Hello Frank
                            I do make pie cuts when doing a round end on the tank ends. I use a couple of pieces of round metal and I clamp them tight with the tin end in between then I start forming the end with a small hammer. I made the tank with round ends because that is the way it was depicted in the Sterling F-84 plan.
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Re: metal tank repairs/mods
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2016, 09:35:55 AM »
Looks the end caps are inside the outer piece,  I know a gentleman I used to fly with did that an a tank he made for me.    Really nice looking tanks. H^^
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