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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Mike Griffin on July 24, 2020, 09:38:56 AM
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Since there has been so much out of topic discussion here about wearing masks, let’s consider the logic behind wearing one or not wearing one.
Them: “I wear a mask to protect you so you should wear one to protect me.”
ME: “Well, OK that is very nice of you and while were are on the subject of protecting each other, that is why I carry a firearm, to protect you in case something were to go down. Do you carry a gun to protect me?"
THEM: “Well, NO.”
ME: “Why not?”
THEM: “Because it is a gun, I don’t want to.”
ME: “Oh, I see, then you understand the power of choice as well as personal freedoms.”
Them: “Well I don’t want a gun because…”
Me: “ It doesn’t matter, if it could protect me, you should do it, right?.. and I carry a gun because my own safety is my responsibility. And I would never expect someone else to keep me safe. Do you see how ridiculous you sound now?”
Mike
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As always. If you don't want to wear a mask, don't. Just say away from me. If you die from the virus, I'll feel bad but that's the nature of choice.
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Emotion often overrules logic, Mike. Especially in these times. And we must not forget the politics.
"Washington, D.C., mayor Muriel Bowser (D.) issued a universal masking order for her city Wednesday but exempted lawmakers, judges, and federal employees." (July 23, 2020)
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Hey that is one way of getting rid of politicians. As far as a gun if I had a carry permit there would be several brainless turds not around any more. Like the guy that thought he could stop my vehicle or take my vehicle. I saw he was still moving after flying off my hood. D>K
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Why are we still arguing over 'overblown media hype' about a deadly disease which we are still learning from?
Noted conservative supporter and former Godfathers Pizza CEO (and one-time presidential candidate) Herman Cain has died from COVID-19 after attending a much-hyped political rally for the President in Tulsa, OK.
Cain was not wearing a mask and neither were most of the other attendees. He was diagnosed with the disease shortly after returning from Tulsa.
Listen to our medical experts and heed their advice folks!
And please, be careful out there. Wear the mask.
Condolences to the Cain family.
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was wondering how long this false assertion would appear
Learn up on Covid incubation in adults...then time line from Tulsa to Hospital.....
Asserting Cain was dosed in Tulsa is FAKE NEWS
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Only in America do we turn a discussion of combating a disease into a political fight. Amazing.
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Only in America do we turn a discussion of combating a disease into a political fight. Amazing.
No one seems to want to hear anything about combatting disease. This thread is about masks, which do nothing to combat disease, and serve only as symbols or magic talismans for the weak-minded, and have a fundamental purpose of conrfirming fealty to a central "authority" - almost none of which are actually authorities or even trained as scientists. In fact the people who bleat on about it the most and most vociferously are the least-qualified.
We have had many bad flu seasons before, and lot of people died of it. Why does this one demand the suspension of enumerated rights and complete destruction of the economy?
Brett
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We have had many bad flu seasons before, and lot of people died of it. Why does this one demand the suspension of enumerated rights and complete destruction of the economy?
Brett
Exactly my question.
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Only in America do we turn a discussion of combating a disease into a political fight. Amazing.
Never been to England, then? Or Britain, rather - we're four semi-autonomous countries: Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and Big Daddy England. The political points-scoring that goes on amongst the four is quite sickening, as is the continual sniping by the Left-wing opposition in Parliament (favourite tactic: wait 'til the government does something that turns out to be wrong, then claim that they would have done it much better - not that they'd said a thing when the govt. set out its intentions). I'm afraid your bad habit was probably learned from us in the first place.
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No one seems to want to hear anything about combatting disease. This thread is about masks, which do nothing to combat disease, and serve only as symbols or magic talismans for the weak-minded, and have a fundamental purpose of conrfirming fealty to a central "authority" - almost none of which are actually authorities or even trained as scientists. In fact the people who bleat on about it the most and most vociferously are the least-qualified.
We have had many bad flu seasons before, and lot of people died of it. Why does this one demand the suspension of enumerated rights and complete destruction of the economy?
Brett
With due respect, I don't think Cain would have died of the flu no matter how bad the strain, this thing is different and we must be diligent and as I've said before a mask only needs to stop that one droplet of moisture carrying the virus that's all, are masks perfect? Of course not, but they don't have to be to be effective, now that being said I'm totally with you on shutting down, Sweden , S-Korea, Denmark and others are doing it right and when this is over our Governments must be held accountable.
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People here willing to mow down folks who block their car during a peaceful demonstration carry in order to do what, protect public safety. No thanks. Same logic as voting for a person who says his followers are so ignorant and dumb they’d vote for him even after seeing him shoot someone on fifth avenue.
Scientists and public health officials have explained over and over the value of wearing a mask and observing social distancing. Yet some prefer to believe the guy who told you and showed you over and over that he is a con man who couldn’t care less about the mayhem and death he fosters. In fact he needs to engender mayhem and death in order to distract you and cover up his pitiful inability to lead in a positive way
Perhaps you remember a personality with a comparable totalitarian bent. Your fathers, mothers, grandparents (not you) sacrificed everything to win a war against him and the people of that country who didn’t care who he killed and what he destroyed. They followed him in lockstep blind and stupid. Choosing to be blind and stupid. A few years into World War 2 when it was pretty clear his country was doomed to loose, he didn’t acknowledge this and negotiate peace to save his country from total devastation. No. He dragged the country he “loved” down with him. The result a bombed out wreck border to border. Compare our situation.
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"this thread is about masks, which do nothing to combat disease, and serve only as symbols or magic talismans for the weak-minded, and have a fundamental purpose of conrfirming fealty to a central "authority" - almost none of which are actually authorities or even trained as scientists".
Not according to virologists I've talked to, but hey, it's your right to believe whatever you like. Clearly Dr. Fauci and Dr. Ho don't know what they're talking about.
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People here willing to mow down folks who block their car during a peaceful demonstration carry in order to do what, protect public safety. No thanks. Same logic as voting for a person who says his followers are so ignorant and dumb they’d vote for him even after seeing him shoot someone on fifth avenue.
Scientists and public health officials have explained over and over the value of wearing a mask and observing social distancing. Yet some prefer to believe the guy who told you and showed you over and over that he is a con man who couldn’t care less about the mayhem and death he fosters. In fact he needs to engender mayhem and death in order to distract you and cover up his pitiful inability to lead in a positive way
Perhaps you remember a personality with a comparable totalitarian bent. Your fathers, mothers, grandparents (not you) sacrificed everything to win a war against him and the people of that country who didn’t care who he killed and what he destroyed. They followed him in lockstep blind and stupid. Choosing to be blind and stupid. A few years into World War 2 when it was pretty clear his country was doomed to loose, he didn’t acknowledge this and negotiate peace to save his country from total devastation. No. He dragged the country he “loved” down with him. The result a bombed out wreck border to border. Compare our situation.
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We can always count on you for drive-by droppings and innuendo, Moritz. Personally, I suggest you go back to writing about the sexual attraction of furniture. You'd have a more receptive audience.
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People here willing to mow down folks who block their car during a peaceful demonstration carry in order to do what, protect public safety. No thanks. Same logic as voting for a person who says his followers are so ignorant and dumb they’d vote for him even after seeing him shoot someone on fifth avenue.
Scientists and public health officials have explained over and over the value of wearing a mask and observing social distancing. Yet some prefer to believe the guy who told you and showed you over and over that he is a con man who couldn’t care less about the mayhem and death he fosters. In fact he needs to engender mayhem and death in order to distract you and cover up his pitiful inability to lead in a positive way
Perhaps you remember a personality with a comparable totalitarian bent. Your fathers, mothers, grandparents (not you) sacrificed everything to win a war against him and the people of that country who didn’t care who he killed and what he destroyed. They followed him in lockstep blind and stupid. Choosing to be blind and stupid. A few years into World War 2 when it was pretty clear his country was doomed to loose, he didn’t acknowledge this and negotiate peace to save his country from total devastation. No. He dragged the country he “loved” down with him. The result a bombed out wreck border to border. Compare our situation.
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ONE "expert" is all you need Randy? Please ask him if excluding from mandates groups like politicians, protestors, judges, people of color is among his recommendations. Looking forward to his response, Thanks!
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Well, I listed two. Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. David Ho. But there are, of course, many, many more.
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With due respect, I don't think Cain would have died of the flu no matter how bad the strain, snip...
I know (knew) more people who have died from the flu than Covid.
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Well, I listed two. Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. David Ho. But there are, of course, many, many more.
And your answer to the second question Randy? We're waiting ...
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Not as far as I know. Tell me, if I listed 20 doctors that said wearing a mask helps to slow the disease, would it make any difference to you? Would it effect your behavior in any way? I suspect not. So, as I said, believe what you want. Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. It's basic Darwinism at work.
Paul,
Your right. Flu has been around a LOT longer than COVID-19. I also know of a lot more people that have died from flu. It would stand to reason.
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Only in America do we turn a discussion of combating a disease into a political fight. Amazing.
Mostly these folks just like to argue.
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Mike,
;D
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Well, I listed two. Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. David Ho. But there are, of course, many, many more.
Is this the same Dr. Fauci that said masks don't work back in March?
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Why are we still arguing over 'overblown media hype' about a deadly disease which we are still learning from?
Noted conservative supporter and former Godfathers Pizza CEO (and one-time presidential candidate) Herman Cain has died from COVID-19 after attending a much-hyped political rally for the President in Tulsa, OK.
Cain was not wearing a mask and neither were most of the other attendees. He was diagnosed with the disease shortly after returning from Tulsa.
Listen to our medical experts and heed their advice folks!
And please, be careful out there. Wear the mask.
Condolences to the Cain family.
Steve, I believe the cause-effect link to Herman Cain's death is ill-advised but otherwise appreciate your comments. And I have no problem with the mask, only with mandates.
Smoking directly or indirectly contributes to hundreds of thousands of deaths each year, but we have no total ban on tobacco. Alcohol translates to thousands and thousands of deaths caused by drunk drivers each year, but no one is suggesting prohibition again. And we have hundreds of thousands of sanctioned killings each year in the name of "women's rights" ...
As an elected official, I suspect you have a pretty good idea of what makes our democracy work: we voluntarily obey laws and regulations for the most part. If that were not the norm for our society, we couldn't possibly hire enough police.
While some here state that others are making this discussion "political", I suggest that is completely backwards - politicians who issue mandates with glaring exceptions and those here who would tell us what we can and can't do are the folks making it just that.
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Not as far as I know. Tell me, if I listed 20 doctors that said wearing a mask helps to slow the disease, would it make any difference to you? Would it affect* your behavior in any way? I suspect not. So, as I said, believe what you want. Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. It's basic Darwinism at work.
Paul,
Your right. Flu has been around a LOT longer than COVID-19. I also know of a lot more people that have died from flu. It would stand to reason.
* Fixed it for ya, Randy! And you with the fancy college degree!
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Steve, I believe the cause-effect link to Herman Cain's death is ill-advised but otherwise appreciate your comments. And I have no problem with the mask, only with mandates.
Smoking directly or indirectly contributes to hundreds of thousands of deaths each year, but we have no total ban on tobacco. Alcohol translates to thousands and thousands of deaths caused by drunk drivers each year, but no one is suggesting prohibition again. And we have hundreds of thousands of sanctioned killings each year in the name of "women's rights" ...
As an elected official, I suspect you have a pretty good idea of what makes our democracy work: we voluntarily obey laws and regulations for the most part. If that were not the norm for our society, we couldn't possibly hire enough police.
While some here state that others are making this discussion "political", I suggest that is completely backwards - politicians who issue mandates with glaring exceptions and those here who would tell us what we can and can't do are the folks making it just that.
Also, Herman Cain was battling cancer and and had taken Chemo which severely compromises you immune system.
Mike G.
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Herman Cain had a severely compromised immune system from taking Chemo. Now the question is, they had a big turnout at the funeral for John Lewis, a liberal Democrat. Let's see if they will allow the same for Herman Cain, a conservative business ICON.
Mike
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Herman Cain had a severely compromised immune system from taking Chemo. Now the question is, they had a big turnout at the funeral for John Lewis, a liberal Democrat. Let's see if they will allow the same for Herman Cain, a conservative business ICON.
Mike
Yup. I was immediately wondering if there is a bridge in/near Atlanta that BLM plans on renaming after Herman Cain. Maybe one named for a former President or some war hero? D>K Steve
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Well, I listed two. Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. David Ho. But there are, of course, many, many more.
Fauci lied about it, and still says conflicting things in different venues. He has admitted lying about it. Moreover, he admitted to lying in order to manipulate people. That's not what I would call a reliable source of information. He has admitted in some venues that masks are "symbolic". Was he lying, or did he really mean it? Heck if I know.
Where it becomes political is when the lies are used to manipulate people, and instead of providing people accurate information (with appropriate caveats about the level of knowledge) and *letting the individual decide what to do and how to conduct themselves*. A bunch of martinets spouting made-up-on-the-spot laws and quoting "authorities" instead of information *is supposed to be prevented by our formative principles*. THAT is why it is political, and I assure you, no one on my side started it.
The purpose of government is to give people information and let them decide. What is intolerable is public servants turning into dictators and deciding with quasi-legal threats to "protect us from our own actions for our own good". Many millions have thought it was worth dying for that principle. When the classic totalitarian tactic of "selective enforcement" is being used to supress things the left has long hated and has utter contempt for - churches - while allowing hyper-left rioters to run completely wild, destroying everything in their way, with not a peep of objection - you know that they are using this situation to make political hay.
I also note that the less technically adept and knowledgeable a person is, the the more they are likely to be stuck with "believing" authorities, and the more vociferously the screech about it. That's because they know they are incapable of understanding the underlying facts, therefore, they have no other recourse. That's why engineers frequently have contempt for doctors - what doctors do is what bad engineers do, try stuff at semi-random until something seems to work. We find people like that and shuffle them out of the important jobs (or at least we used to...). Medical researchers are a bit better.
People want to feel that there is something they can do, so there are plenty of people telling them things that makes them feel safe. The fact that there really isn't any defense aside from strict isolation is true, but doesn't make anyone feel better. So, people are given some sort of talisman to make them feel better, just like witch doctors throughout history.
Fine so far, where it become unacceptable is when you, and people who feel like you that they need to be "safe", have decided that your feelings and opinions override mine, and that you and many others are practically dancing in the streets over having more-or-less successfully forced the rest of us to comply with your "needs". So we get a tyranny of the most terrified, and the horrific side effects that entails.
It's a real virus, and highly dangerous for compromised individuals. The only real protection we have right now is isolation, which for most people is completely impractical, and ultimately impossible to sustain. Almost everyone will be exposed eventually, about .05-.1% of them will die of it, unless there is a vaccine. Those appear to be the facts of the situation.
Brett
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Fauci lied about it, and still says conflicting things in different venues. He has admitted lying about it. Moreover, he admitted to lying in order to manipulate people. That's not what I would call a reliable source of information. He has admitted in some venues that masks are "symbolic". Was he lying, or did he really mean it? Heck if I know.
Where it becomes political is when the lies are used to manipulate people, and instead of providing people accurate information (with appropriate caveats about the level of knowledge) and *letting the individual decide what to do and how to conduct themselves*. A bunch of martinets spouting made-up-on-the-spot laws and quoting "authorities" instead of information *is supposed to be prevented by our formative principles*. THAT is why it is political, and I assure you, no one on my side started it.
The purpose of government is to give people information and let them decide. What is intolerable is public servants turning into dictators and deciding with quasi-legal threats to "protect us from our own actions for our own good". Many millions have thought it was worth dying for that principle. When the classic totalitarian tactic of "selective enforcement" is being used to supress things the left has long hated and has utter contempt for - churches - while allowing hyper-left rioters to run completely wild, destroying everything in their way, with not a peep of objection - you know that they are using this situation to make political hay.
Brett
The purpose of government ... EXACTLY! That's why Governor Kristi Noem of South Dakota is my new SuperStar! Precisely what she's done.
Fauci - is it OK to mention he also said in a recent interview sex with a stranger is "fine"? Hey everything in life is a risk!
y1
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I suspect that Herman Cain was one that died WITH Corona virus, and not from Corona virus, but you will never hear that reported. Of the 150,000 deaths do far, I'll bet half are questionable.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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The current mandates are the Millennial version of throwing a virgin into the volcano every year.
Some day this plague will pass and the politicians who mandated the bonus counter measures will claim victory.
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I suspect that Herman Cain was one that died WITH Corona virus, and not from Corona virus, but you will never hear that reported. Of the 150,000 deaths do far, I'll bet half are questionable.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
Hospitalized covid patients are repeatedly tested during their stay.
Every positive is recorded as another case in the national count.
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I've got some very bad news for you guys.
In case you hadn't noticed: "Being born is fatal". HB~>
Just thought you'd like to know.....
Cheers Jerry
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Forget about politics, choice
here is a redneck mask test that is at fun to watch. The science here is not perfect, and slightly wrong. But It does illustrate that a mask is effective as actuator of spray.
There are a few people I would like to use as test subjects.
Watch to the end there is a funny punch line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6cTDGqcUpA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6cTDGqcUpA)
Oh if you come here near me, a mask is required.
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The result a bombed out wreck border to border. Compare our situation.
Last I heard, the current bombed out, burned out, pillaged sh*t holes are cities of Democrat "leadership".
Andre
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Turns out, Mike is right.
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I was told masks are worn in surgical rooms to keep from infecting the patient. I reality we should be wearing a full body cover to keep from being infected. Just a mask will not keep us safe unless we wash our hands every time we touch something or let some one handle our stuff. My son-in-law is still in the hospital but recovering. With all the people he works with no telling how he got infected. He is an air conditioning and heat repairman. D>K
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Hospitalized covid patients are repeatedly tested during their stay.
Every positive is recorded as another case in the national count.
Not the first time you have said this, but to me it does not sound right.
A simple google search will turn up multiple links that say that is not true.
Things do vary state to state, but none I could find said that a test = a case. Most say the exact opposite.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=is+every+positive+covid+test+counted&sxsrf=ALeKk00ealxqgVVDEVY4scX5VheaOU8f4w:1596242881861&ei=wbskX4mENOGoytMP0722-A8&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwjJ6MqP5PjqAhVhlHIEHdOeDf8Q8NMDegQIDRBC&biw=1728&bih=939
If you maintain that it is true, can you post a link to how the totals are calculated is explained?
( i.e CDC or now HHS, which is where the numbers from each state are totaled)
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Fauci - is it OK to mention he also said in a recent interview sex with a stranger is "fine"?
That "recent interview" was back in April and even then it wasn't what he said at all. To put it into language that Americans might understand, what he said was that if you like playing Russian Roulette then go take your chances.
https://www.insider.com/fauci-hooking-up-with-asymptomatic-tinder-match-doable-but-risky-2020-4
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That "recent interview" was back in April and even then it wasn't what he said at all. To put it into language that Americans might understand, what he said was that if you like playing Russian Roulette then go take your chances.
https://www.insider.com/fauci-hooking-up-with-asymptomatic-tinder-match-doable-but-risky-2020-4
Not the interview I referred to at all, Brian. Let's face it - Fauci is a celebrity now and we can find any number of interviews he does daily. Anyone who would maintain he's been consistent over his day in the sun is either ignorant or living in denial.
I have no beef with him at all, just amazed by his 180s and inconsistency. But what do any of us know about this "new world"?
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I have no beef with him at all, just amazed by his 180s and inconsistency. But what do any of us know about this "new world"?
I have a beef- lying to manipulate people and public policy undermines the very principles of civil society. And I haven't heard any apologies - he got the reactions he wanted, so as far as he is concerned, he did the right thing. Self-righteous jackass.
I think I know how this new world works. History is rife with people like the left, which is why there have been dictators, chiefs, kings, self-elected "presidents for life", since human society has existed. I seem to recall an old story where we ran a bunch of them out of the country and then wrote some laws to prevent them from ever existing again.
Brett
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Not the first time you have said this, but to me it does not sound right.
A simple google search will turn up multiple links that say that is not true.
Things do vary state to state, but none I could find said that a test = a case. Most say the exact opposite.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=is+every+positive+covid+test+counted&sxsrf=ALeKk00ealxqgVVDEVY4scX5VheaOU8f4w:1596242881861&ei=wbskX4mENOGoytMP0722-A8&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwjJ6MqP5PjqAhVhlHIEHdOeDf8Q8NMDegQIDRBC&biw=1728&bih=939
If you maintain that it is true, can you post a link to how the totals are calculated is explained?
( i.e CDC or now HHS, which is where the numbers from each state are totaled)
Pat, if you or anyone else here has access to facebook and wants some entertainment, look for (Minnesota Dr.) State Senator Scott Jensen. What he shares over the course of the pandemic will make you laugh or puke or both.
He's been much criticized. In late June he was advised by the Medical Board he was being investigated because of complaints - filed by persons whose identity is secret - for "spreading misinformation", etc. Typical of what he's endured.
When all is said and done, cleared by the investigation, fact checked by USA Today, etc. - and anyone who doesn't realize how political the entire scene is really living on another planet. I see much of this every day here - nothing new at all.
https://thehighwire.com/medical-board-ends-investigation-into-covid-whistleblowing-doc/?fbclid=IwAR2BibLMQB--QVdY80Jhd20FkRmFpTq66rrIBOnjHi-RQ2pMRj5G5nEL7Kg (https://thehighwire.com/medical-board-ends-investigation-into-covid-whistleblowing-doc/?fbclid=IwAR2BibLMQB--QVdY80Jhd20FkRmFpTq66rrIBOnjHi-RQ2pMRj5G5nEL7Kg)
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Not the first time you have said this, but to me it does not sound right.
A simple google search will turn up multiple links that say that is not true.
Things do vary state to state, but none I could find said that a test = a case. Most say the exact opposite.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=is+every+positive+covid+test+counted&sxsrf=ALeKk00ealxqgVVDEVY4scX5VheaOU8f4w:1596242881861&ei=wbskX4mENOGoytMP0722-A8&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwjJ6MqP5PjqAhVhlHIEHdOeDf8Q8NMDegQIDRBC&biw=1728&bih=939
If you maintain that it is true, can you post a link to how the totals are calculated is explained?
( i.e CDC or now HHS, which is where the numbers from each state are totaled)
I'm not going to find you a link.
Laboratories report to the state numbers of positive and negative tests . Names are not attached to data sent to the state. Positives are positive regardless of who the patient is.
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No one seems to want to hear anything about combatting disease. This thread is about masks, which do nothing to combat disease, and serve only as symbols or magic talismans for the weak-minded, and have a fundamental purpose of conrfirming fealty to a central "authority" - almost none of which are actually authorities or even trained as scientists. In fact the people who bleat on about it the most and most vociferously are the least-qualified.
We have had many bad flu seasons before, and lot of people died of it. Why does this one demand the suspension of enumerated rights and complete destruction of the economy?
Brett
Just an aside and a "pet peeve" / personal observation: Actually Brett, there seems to be a very concerted effort to suppress "good" information. Specifically, the news that a group of doctors used hydroxychloroquine to treat a number of COVID-19 patients with great results. I can't believe the response! Their videos and links have been removed from facebook and other media; Ohio went so far as to ban pharmacies from dispensing it. HELLO!
I assume anyone who studied science for more than 10 minutes as well as some of us who have been prescribed multiple drugs understand synergism. Those doctors clearly stated the hydroxychloroquine was given as part of a triad of drugs.
Who are the brainless people "protecting" us!?!
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Who are the brainless people "protecting" us!?!
It's not brainless, they can't let Trump be right about it - again. They all hate him, and they need to justify that irrational, visceral hatred by coming up with excuses to hate him. It explains the Russia hoax, the notion that he is a White Supremecist, the ridiculous Ukraine investigation and impeachment ("Obstruction of Congress *is his job description* for Christ's sake), and every single thing he says is "fact checked" as false even when it's true. Add in the projection of their own pyschotic need to control other people, and he's also a dictator and the next Hitler.
There's a huge number of people who join in and "believe" what amounts to complete nonsense because they have to rationalize the same irrational hatred. That allows them to think of themselves as sober rational people, even though it's all completely absurd.
Savage was right, liberalism is a mental disorder. And the lunatics are very close to running the asylum.
Brett
p..s. Trump does himself no favors by acting like a pompous, self-aggrandizing ass. I don't particularly like him or the way he acts most of the time. But he is absolutely not a racist, an autocrat, or a traitor, and there's not a shred of actual evidence to support any of it. Attempting to destroy him for being a pompous ass should take a lot more than a toss-off comment by a drunken, defeated opponent and a demonstrably and proven phony 'dossier'.
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I wonder if a mask Guru exsits on this here planet? If there is such a man maybe he can be pursuaded into speaking at a Stunt contest , that is providing we have another Stunt Contest before they plant us all.
John L.
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This is very interesting. 15 min. It does spell things out.
https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/3464600030230544/
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p..s. Trump does himself no favors by acting like a pompous, self-aggrandizing ass. I don't particularly like him or the way he acts most of the time. But he is absolutely not a racist, an autocrat, or a traitor, and there's not a shred of actual evidence to support any of it. Attempting to destroy him for being a pompous ass should take a lot more than a toss-off comment by a drunken, defeated opponent and a demonstrably and proven phony 'dossier'.
While I disagree with your stance on Liberals, they are not all loons, unfortunately it's the loons that get the most press, this statement is the best Trump post I've read here.
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It is not a political thing when local authorities determine that it is a finable offense to be "caught" without a mask in an area where they decide they are required.
Whatever the 'sense' of the requirement may or may not be, is it worth making an opinion statement to pay a fine for not complying?
I don't like them either, and do try to "distance" appropriately... when "allowed."
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Not to make a point in any way, just a link to food for thought -
"Tegnell also broached the subject of face masks, which the World Health Organization recommends people use when social distancing isn’t possible."
“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport,” he said.
https://fortune.com/2020/07/29/no-point-in-wearing-mask-sweden-covid/?fbclid=IwAR2rcqDbiX-BUpGVOhvrH0FfLBlXfvXxtYN30Rh8U79YYy6b1ucqbKeRO0c (https://fortune.com/2020/07/29/no-point-in-wearing-mask-sweden-covid/?fbclid=IwAR2rcqDbiX-BUpGVOhvrH0FfLBlXfvXxtYN30Rh8U79YYy6b1ucqbKeRO0c)
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As stated, President Trump is not liked by most people for the way he acts at times, the look on his face and the way he talks. He does repeat his self a lot of times. What has the present politicians up set about him so much is that he is getting done what should have been done 40 years ago. But, in reality the President can only do so much if he doesn't have the people behind him in congress and the senate. I too dislike some of what he does but he has my vote come election day. S?P
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Is this an over satement?
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Something to think.
Here's some food for thought
THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A SECOND IF YOU AREN'T CLOSED MINDED!
Create a VIRUS to scare people. Place them in quarantine. Count the number of dead every second of every day in every news headline. Close all businesses. 40,000,000 out of jobs. Peak unemployment. Remove entertainment: parks, gyms, bars, restaurants, sports. No dating. No touching. Mask people. Dehumanize them. Close temples and churches. Create a vaccine. Let depression and anxiety and desperation set in.
THEN... ignite hatred and civil war. Civil unrest. Empty the prisons because of the virus and fill the streets with criminals. Send in ANTIFA to vandalize property as if they are freedom fighters. Undermine the law. Loot. Attack law enforcement, but tell government to order a stand-down. We are all being baited by an adversarial government who wants to destroy America - And, in an election year, have Democrats blame all of it on the President.
Can’t take America in a war, destroy it from within.
We are being conditioned, manipulated, and programmed by multiple agendas as never before.....time to DO OUR OWN RESEARCH and MAKE UP OUR OWN MINDS rather than eating everything being spoon-fed to us! SOCIAL MEDIA is going to kill us!
If you love America, our Constitution, and the Rule of Law, get ready to fight for them.
Copy and paste like I did if you think this is a possible explanation for the World being upside down right now!
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I wasn't even a sparkle in my grandmother's eye in 1918 but Déjà vu springs to mind..
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/us/mask-protests-1918.html?action=click&algo=top_conversion&block=lone_trending_recirc&fellback=false&imp_id=372556082&impression_id=051f0ea3-d5c0-11ea-88b9-57d576784235&index=3&pgtype=Article®ion=footer&req_id=369590981&surface=most-popular
An interesting read whatever your opinion.
TTFN
John.
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Here is more of a slam dunk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBRcK-od50Q
This Swiss professor has been around the block a few times with viruses so although it's a looooooong interview just the opening 10 minutes should whet your appetite for some science with common sense.
Keith R
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Here is more of a slam dunk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBRcK-od50Q
This Swiss professor has been around the block a few times with viruses so although it's a looooooong interview just the opening 10 minutes should whet your appetite for some science with common sense.
Keith R
Keith, thanks so much for posting this very informative video.
Doug
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You're most welcome! The Ivor Cummins "Fat Emperor" channel is always very informative. Ivor does his homework!
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You gotta love this one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITiKKO3lkc8
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You don't have to wear a mask at Yo Semite park in Thighland.
Steve
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Just found out yesterday that my longest term hobby friend had a bout of Covid, courtesy of his oldest daughter that lives with him. (She brought it home from her work at Home Depot.)
He recovered at home with out need of oxygen. She also recovered at home and she is now serving her quarantine time before she can return to work. In his words it was like a case of the flu.
He's 87, by the way.
Yes, this Covid stuff is "out there", but it's far less "lethal" than is being hocked by the MSM. Grossly padded numbers and hysteria pushing agendas will do that for 'ya and such will sure help to keep fear-mongering strong and healthy.
Andre
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Official figures say that in the whole of England in the last 24 hours, the number of deaths related to COVID-19 was 6. That's right, SIX. They didn't tell us how many people died of e.g. influenza in the same 24 hour period, but I'll wager it was at least as many. It's my feeling that the restrictions are getting so irksome that the mass of people will soon start ignoring them. From what I hear, people in France and Germany are in much the same mood.
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I just looked in and saw that a play of mine has received a review by a fan. That play earned 4000 dollars by the by. Premiered at the Public Theater, NYC. It is called Quick Fast in a Hurry. Public Theater originated Chorus Line, Rent plus others you may have heard of. Maybe you heard of Hamilton. Audience booed Pence. Way ahead of the curve. Quick Fast has been published three or four times. It’s in my first book published by a long time poetry press. DIstinguished company. I’m the only playwright in their catalogue. Our reviewer found it erotic. I suggest he try sex live with a willing partner. Oh. Probably beyond his capacity. You’re hitting me where it hurts, sir. My gut hurts from laughing. Not a bad record for eleven pages of text I wrote in two weeks.
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The effectiveness of masks and social distancing aren't really known because they are extremely difficult to replicate.
I was extremely sad to hear of Herman Caine's death. He was a good man. He did have multiple complicating issues- age, black, other illnesses over the years likely affected his lungs, and more. If he was infected at the event there is no way to show if the venue was part of the problem.
It is known, for sure, that a surgeons and surgery attendants wear N-95 masks to protect the PATIENT. N-95 means the mask design has been accurately tested to capture 95% of particles(virus or not) 1micron(millionth of a meter) or larger. They are routinely tested during production and often sampled randomly for further testing in hospitals to ensure they are working.
None of the simple 2-3 layer fabric or paper masks are anywhere near that effective. Some(don't remember brands) have been shown to capture 30micron droplets when you breath out. That offers some viral protection for others. It does nothing for you when someone coughs in you face and 20micron or less viral droplets come through and infect you.
Mask effectiveness if HIGHLY dependent on the materials. Most fabrics have openings that are much to large for effective filtering either in or out. If they are stacked 3-5 layers thick they become very difficult to breath through and cause changes in the lungs that may affect your breathing or oxygen absorption. Ordinary people have no way to test their effectiveness.
Outside or in the sun, viruses are very short lived- seconds to a couple of minutes whether or not they are in droplets. So loose crowds, not necessarily 6 ft. spacing, could be very safe unless they were packed with infected people. If you're over 55 it might be good to take a pass if the crowd is large.
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A few people were reported to have the virus in prison in California, so they are letting thousands of rapist, murderers, thieves, and child abusers out of prison. If you need help, call 911 and they will transfer you to your congressman who will come to help you in a couple of months. Have a good day.
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I went to the ASCS sprint car races last night at the local track. I noticed a lot of people going in and no masks. I had nine on and before I could get to the stands I had to pull it down. Some people know I sweat a lot and that mask was just like I had soaked it in a pail of water. Could not breath with it on. It was still wet after the races and I put it in my pocket.
Not as fast as the World of Out Law sprints, but low 15.01 seconds on 4/10th mile track is fast to me. They blew up a few engines and only one sprinter went upside down during start of feature race. D>K
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Moving tribute Phil. Sensible advice.
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Official figures say that in the whole of England in the last 24 hours, the number of deaths related to COVID-19 was 6. That's right, SIX.
John,
That figure was for Covid-19 deaths registered in hospitals. The figure including community deaths was 77. Still not a huge figure I admit.
No one is going to know how bad this really is/was for at least 12 months. The only way any country can be judged is excess deaths over a longer period.
England is currently running with less overall deaths each day than the 5 year average, presumably because many people have unfortunately passed away with a positive Covid test who would have died during this period anyway due to an underlying condition or just old age. (No comfort for relatives I admit).
The biggest crimes in my opinion are people who have died or had there life expectancy shortened due to cancelled procedures, routine tests, cancelled Chemo sessions - add any other ongoing illness requiring hospital treatment here.... All under the mantle of "Protect the NHS".
Don't get me started on elderly patients being transferred from hospitals into care homes without a test, that was bordering on criminal.
So, IMO we will not know the true consequences of Covid-19 for a long time yet and those figures will reflect the failings in other parts of the system such as the cancelled procedures mentioned above.
ymmv
TTFN
John.
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Too bad we can't sue the politicians for the death of all the people that would not have died if they could have gotten their treatment. Maybe after election day if the democrats don't cancel it they will all be in the unemployment line.
By the way my Son-in-law is getting better after the doctor gave him a treatment from a vacine made from the blood of a covid patient who beat the desease. There are cures if the democrats would let the doctor do their thing. S?P
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It is not a political thing when local authorities determine that it is a finable offense to be "caught" without a mask in an area where they decide they are required.
Whatever the 'sense' of the requirement may or may not be, is it worth making an opinion statement to pay a fine for not complying?
Patrick Henry would like a word with you.
Brett
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Breaking News! Joe Biden and Kamala Harris just announced we should be wearing masks anytime we're outside for the next 3 months in order to save an estimated 40,000 lives!
Let me see ... 3 months would put us about a week after the election? Just asking for a friend ...
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By the way my Son-in-law is getting better after the doctor gave him a treatment from a vacine made from the blood of a covid patient who beat the desease. There are cures if the democrats would let the doctor do their thing. S?P
Convalescent plasma.
Not a new type of treatment, it has been the plot point for movies where they are looking for "patient zero" to find someone who was actually cured (World War Z for example).
They have been talking about that from the beginning, so not sure how the Democrats (who you might recall are not in charge) have been stopping anyone from looking into it.
Lots of info online about it, going back months. But like any other treatment they need to do proper testing.
https://www.google.ca/search?sxsrf=ALeKk00DcU4gb6y5zim1LJFQiCRekIAZhw%3A1597346665672&ei=aZM1X_TVKOeoytMPqeq1-As&q=convalescent+plasma&oq=convalescent+plasma&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIHCAAQsQMQQzIECAAQQzICCAAyBAgAEEMyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAA6BAgAEEc6BAgjECc6BQgAEJECOgYIABAKEEM6BQgAELEDOgsILhCxAxDHARCjAlDRpwJYlsoCYOjPAmgAcAZ4AYAB9gKIAagSkgEFMi0xLjaYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6wAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwi0rtyE9JjrAhVnlHIEHSl1Db8Q4dUDCAs&uact=5
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The New Motto ...
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History shows us that the only thing that will stop the Marxists are bullets.
Our country is infested with them.
The Joe/Blow ticket is now the party of the Marxist.
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Only way to stop idiots is ignore them.
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