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Mark and the Freelancer
« on: April 05, 2009, 09:55:47 PM »
What a wonderful weekend in Stunt Heaven Portland Oregon. All weekend 70 plus and light breeze. Mark Scarborough from Pullman Washington joined the three amigos Bill Veselik, Leo Mehl and myself. Pullman is about a 6 hour driving to Portland. Mark has been snow bound from flying this winter, and made the drive to thaw out. Mark brought several planes from the deep freeze; however, one plane did all of the duty. Randy Powell’s “Freelancer”. On Saturday Marks first flight of the season soon became a hand full. The plane was completely out of trim. Upon landing Mark had a skip, bounce, nose dive, and then loose parts. After a few moments of HEY it’s called landing not paint removal…lol. We picked up the pieces and moved the plane back to my home for inspection and a fast fix. They’re where a few crack in the nose nothing to be too concerned of just a little CA. However, after some hands-on we found that the plane needed about 2 oz of nose weight. We made a hub out of brass that fit his spinner and props.
Back out to the field on Sunday morning and some serious flying. Marks first flight was another eye opener. He needed tip weight the outboard wing was showing it’s self. Back on the ground we found that there was no tip weight. SOOO we added 1.5 oz to start with and back out to the circle. WOW just in three flights the plane began to present itself. Now the plane groves, turns, and has a corner. By the sixth flight Mark was flying the plane in the high 480’s. He tried several props, & rpm settings on his stock Magnum 53.
The Magnum has lots of potential for Mark. Helping Mark this weekend was so much fun. We all learned from the “Freelancer”. Approaching the trimming process one step at a time you can make very positive changes to a plane if the pilot has an open mind to the changes. Paul Walkers trim chart is a very useful tool. Mark took the instruction and went with it. I was glad to help. It all comes down to, IF you want help to be a better flyer, ASK FOR HELP!  #^
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2009, 11:25:34 PM »
I could have told Mark it would need nose weight. It was, after all, designed for a Saito 56. I also forgot to tell him I pirated the weight pin out of the wing. Ooops.   :-[

Man, I thought the boy would do at least a little bench trimming before flying it.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2009, 10:34:43 AM by Randy Powell »
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2009, 09:10:15 AM »
Yes,,  well complete report to follow,,
but I mean really, what veteran would think to give a plane to a wanna be like me,, that wasn't trimmed,,  D>K H^^

Will write more on my lunch break,, right now I have to actually do some work! dangit,,,
Oh Randy, guess where I am at for a prop? so far
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2009, 10:00:12 AM »
Yes,,  well complete report to follow,,
but I mean really, what veteran would think to give a plane to a wanna be like me,, that wasn't trimmed,,  D>K H^^

Will write more on my lunch break,, right now I have to actually do some work! dangit,,,
Oh Randy, guess where I am at for a prop? so far
Oh Ya, Good flying days and warm too. HB~> HB~>

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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2009, 10:36:23 AM »
12.5x5.5 Thundertiger? BigA$$ed wood prop?
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 10:56:29 AM »
Glad you guys are having fun.  It's still freezing here in Kansas.  But, this post reminds me of a stock car movie I had seen years ago.  A young driver wanted to drive for a crew chief to show how well he could drive.  After driving for about a half dozen laps and bouncing off the wall the crew dhief calls him in.  The driver immediately started yelling at the crew chief about trying to kill him.  He said the car was way out of trim.  The crew chief's response was: "Anybody can drive a car that is set up right". 

So Mark are you going to beat Randy at the next contest?  DOC Holliday
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2009, 11:23:03 AM »
well so far, the 12.5 x 5.5 thunder tiger is the best,, my last flight , I had to fly out as I developed a vibration, oh and then there was the little issue of the Hawk that flew through my lines,,  %^
Doc,,
Randy is an expert,, I am a lowly bottom feeder , just moved up to advanced  type person,, nope not gonna beat Randy,,
We had snow all week here in Pullman, so the chance to go play in Portland where it was 60 to 70 degrees was a VERY welcome change. I have not flown since October and our first contest is in two weeks,,
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2009, 11:56:38 AM »
Mark,

Hope the vibration wasn't something tragic. The nose of that poor plane was cut up quite a bit, Motor mounts were changed out, it had 4 or 5 different engines in it and the top block was replaced. Hard life.

I forgot how pretty it is.   ;D

oops, typo
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2009, 12:31:33 PM »
Mark,

Hope the vibration was something tragic. The nose of that poor plane was cut up quite a bit, Motor mounts were changed out, it had 4 or 5 different engines in it and the top block was replaced. Hard life.

I forgot how pretty it is.   ;D

It is a very pretty airplane, why do you think I have been so thrilled to have it hanging on my wall,,and now to fly it.
ok so you HOPE IT WAS something tragic? hmmm The motor feels loose, but after the onset of vibration, and the Hawk strafing me ( actually flew through my lines!) I decided it was time to go home. I will inspect tonight and HOPE to find just some loose mount screws,, and no loose wood. If the wood is loose, I am afraid it will get repaired structurally but not sure about pretty for now anyway,, though it would be a shame because it is a very classy plane,, well it was till I scraped the cowling,, da****t
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2009, 01:24:25 PM »
Hey, that's a carbon fiber cowl and was pretty thick as I remember. Slap on a little filler. The color is, hmmm, let's see. BMW Cappuccino Frost. Polyurethane base coat.
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2009, 01:49:58 PM »
well in the interest of full discloser,, and political incorectness,, ( blatant plug for membership to the PIST team!)
my adventrues with teh Freelancer,,
Randy, I did bench trim part of it,, lol,, with that beautifull eliptical wing, the CG was in question but I guessed as close as I could.  in reality it was fairly close, it hunted slightly in level, but the real problem came when It went power off, and I came around into the wing it ballooned on me slightly and of course fell out of the air. sigh, sadly one of the wheel pants  was damaged, as was part of the cowl, and a minor crack in teh bottom block. as Stated by Scott, reparaired easily , though not as pretty as it once was, dont look to close please,, I feel bad enough! Scott made me a new prop nut that was 1.3 oz and we installed that.
as was told to me,, fly it like you stole it, ;)
First flights were with a REv up 13x6 ( actually measures 5.4) Engine Magnum 53, stock. Randy smith CNC muffler. Really felt unstable, almost lost it on a loop,, hmm should have been a first clue.
second day, tried a XOAR 12x6, was pretty solid,, engine happy, tried a thundertiger 12.5 x 5.5, lap times slower by .2 tenths, but better tension in manuevers. checked tip weight,, hmm the tube is empty,, sigh,, ok added 1.4 oz, rough balance, felt much better. Flew again with rpms bumped to 9000. wow uh, ok can you say transformation. Still felt a bit light overhead. Moved the leadouts forward 3/16" flew again,, oh MY what an improvement, I instantly knew I could fly it,, did a complete pattern until it hiccuped in the overheads,, then ran another 20 laps,, grumble,, probably need to cant the tank. OR second theory, may need to move the leadouts forward a touch more, it still isnt flying as square to the lines as I would like,, from the handle anyway. Before I do that however, I think I will cut my lines slightly. I am at 65' ( thats what I marked on the real, but I need to measure it to be sure. I tried a BY and O 12x6 that Bill had, ((thanks Bill) and tension was very solid in level flight and at 45, but whenever I pulled a corner, or loop, it did not seem to drive through the manuever. Scott said it didnt look that way from outside,, but I am sure I felt that at the handle. It just got a bit soft. so back to the 12.5 x 5.5. next flight got off a little lean,, I overthunk the needle setting , so basically just flew the tank, practicing my level flight at 4 feet with the wind was a good lesson.. Next flight, richened iit up a touch, got my 9000 rpm and as soon as I pulled the wingover something wasnt right, it was vibrating. I proceded to fly out the tank up at ten or so feet and about halfway through the flight a hawk, decided he didnt like the noise and flew right through the circle, from what I could tell, he flew through my lines about a foot inboard of the tip I felt it hit, but it was soft so I think it just slid over his back. no damage to anything but both our nerves,, lol.
It was time to go home, still had to drive 6 hours so cleaned up, and got on the road.
TO summarize, the first few flights did not leave me with warm fuzzies about the plane. I almost did not elect to make repairs. IO am glad I did, Now I am very comfortable the plane and its a joy to fly.

Next steps.
I still have a couple more props to try, though I have a great baseline now with the thundertiger.
Scott is making me a new prop nut that will be 1.5, or 1.6 oz. I still have a bit of twitch in level flight, just ever so slight. It is actually more noticeable inverted when it feels like if I breath down control into it, it jumps.. not so with up. If the weight doesn't help, or not enough, then I think I will put a couple turns on the elevator pushrod to input some down elevator on level flaps.  ( psst randy, do you have your cool special tool for opening that super trick hatch? or do I gotta make one of my own,, lol)
I still think I need to move the leadouts a bit farther forward, but will not do that till after I get the nose weight settled in.
As I mentioned, I plan on shortening my lines a foot or so, before I mess with more tip weight .
It is so close now, that I would not hesitate to fly it in a contest tomorrow! i love it Randy, thanks. Untill this weekend, I was not likely going to fly in the portland contest, now I feel like I can with some level of confidence. It feels very comfortable and honest. I havent finished either of my projects so this gives me something to fly in PA this year till they are. My poor GBee profile is so tired,, I might get laughed out of the pits since I am flying Advanced,,, lol,,though, It flies so well, and I am so comfortable with it, it will be seeing duty in Profile,,
now, time to finish the AVenger
all in all, a very learning weekend, first lesson, COMPLETELY BENCH TRIM A MODEL EVEN IF SOMEONE ELSE FLEW IT FIRST, I could have saved two or three flights had I spent the time to really bench trim it thouroughly before I got to the field. Second lesson, persevere,, small changes can make a HUGE difference. third lesson,, Prop selection is baseline, huge, relevent, and worthy of every prop you can try, even if it is a cheap 4 dollar plastic one, you never know,, lol
Thanks to Scott, for your time and patience.
and especially to Leo and Bill for letting me hog the circle, it meant a lot to get some quality time in!!

Now to make sure that something wooden hasnt come loose inside her ! Pray for loose motor mount bolts ok?
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2009, 02:46:51 PM »
Mark,

It originally balanced just a touch ahead of the main spar. That with a Saito in the nose.

Sorry about the tip weight.

Check the front former and the connection to the replaced engine mounts.
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2009, 03:59:18 PM »
Randy,
that is my worst fear is that something wooden is no longer connected, the way the motor feels when I wiggle it doesn't feel like loose bolts. I did remember this being the plane with the multi nose jobs.
As for the tip weight,, hey a good stunt b**tch would have remembered to check that, so its my bad!. No harm no foul on that one. Like you said, you would think a guy would bench trim it before commiting it to flight!!It is a very nice flying plane and after we got the trim close I was very comfortable flying it aggressively. We saw a bit of turbulence, and changing wind conditions but it instilled confidence with every passing flight. Assuming whatever is astray in the nose is repairable, It is likely the weapon of choice for the Portland contest. And that says something, my Gee Bee is like an old pair of shoes that fit really good,, ( also just like the old shoes it has a few worn through spots,, lol) I will let you know what I find when I get it in the house and pulled down for inspection.
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2009, 10:24:09 PM »
Even though you had no tip weight and flew the plane you could feel something was wrong. We could easily see from the pits that tip weight was needed. Only someone that has gone through the trimming process could see what was wrong before something bad happened.

It's to bad that some flyer's just go to the field and put up flight after flight and still fly a badly trimmed plane. I see it all the time. I was there. All I had to do is ask for help!  :!

Mark was into listening what Leo, Bill and I had to say. This made the flying secession so much fun. DV^^

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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2009, 11:43:03 PM »
Well I did a post flight on the Freelancer. Good news is that the loose motor was not seperated wood parts, it was loose motor mount screws. bad news, one of the front blind nuts is partially stripped, so i have to look and see if I can get to it, or replace it with a brass insert. I am sure that contributed to the motor working loose.
boy I tell you, to go from where this plane was the first flight, to where it was the last one was really a lesson, not only that, but my confidence level in being able to "read " what the plane is doing in flight is so much better. Thanks Scott and guys for letting me talk through it, first, so I could try to figure it out,, then discuss it,, that really makes the lessons stick better,,
Portland in two weeks,, now all we need is weather like we had this weekend,,,
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2009, 10:21:14 AM »
>>now all we need is weather like we had this weekend<<

Uh, yea, good luck with that. This is April in the Northwest, after all. Could happen, but if I were a betting man...
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2009, 12:05:36 PM »
Well I did a post flight on the Freelancer. Good news is that the loose motor was not seperated wood parts, it was loose motor mount screws. bad news, one of the front blind nuts is partially stripped, so i have to look and see if I can get to it, or replace it with a brass insert. I am sure that contributed to the motor working loose.
boy I tell you, to go from where this plane was the first flight, to where it was the last one was really a lesson, not only that, but my confidence level in being able to "read " what the plane is doing in flight is so much better. Thanks Scott and guys for letting me talk through it, first, so I could try to figure it out,, then discuss it,, that really makes the lessons stick better,,
Portland in two weeks,, now all we need is weather like we had this weekend,,,
MARK!!!
KNOCK IT OFF!! WHY DON'T I JUST MEET YOU IN TWO WEEKS IN PORTLAND AND ALLOW ME TO  PICK UP THAT BEAUTIFUL BROKEN PIECES OF POWELL SKY ART AND THEN I'LL JUST FLY THE HOLY LIVING POOP OUT OF IT UNTIL IT LOOKS AS BAD AS MY OLD PIECES OF CHIPMUNK? R%%%% y1 <= n~
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2009, 12:10:20 PM »
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buddy, I will let you fly it, but you will have to pry this one from my cold dead fingers,, I have always loved the look of this airplane, and now that its flying as well as it is,, yeah,, its MINE<<  n1
I might let you touch it though? if your a good boy,, lol,,
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2009, 02:49:10 AM »
Mark,
I wish I could of been there, but it wasn't to be. I know the help you got from the 3 amigo's as I have schooled with them many times. Funny though, no matter how many times you go out there your still always a rookie. It's all worth it and fun times always is right around the corner. ;D
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Re: Mark and the Freelancer
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2009, 08:50:47 AM »
ROOKIE  mw~.....I resemble that. Some time it's just better to stand behind Paul, Ted, Brett, and others and just listen to the stories. ALL fliers of the super class are such great guy's and approachable. Learn from the best.  H^^
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