MAN Pow Wow Date?

[Bill Diedrich]

I came across a plan I purchased from Uncle willie's Plans
a few years back and shown to be a Model Airplane News
plan but can't find the designers name nor the date that
it was published, anyone help?

[EddyR]

Bob Palmer    around 1955   Very good flying plane for the old Fox .35
Ed

[Bill Diedrich]

Thanks Ed for the quick reply.  I am going to build the original
sized one and also on that is 125% (65" wing span) power to be
Magnum 52 or ST61.

[Balsa Butcher]

It was kitted by Control Line Classics back in the 90's. Included on the plans were details to convert it to a "Super Pow-Wow". The Brodak  "Accentor" design is based upon that plane. 

[Steve Helmick]

I checked SSW, Randy Smith's and Tom Dixon's plans lists, without finding a date for the POW WOW. But my memory is that the POW WOW and Nobler were both published by MAN in the same issue, or at least on the same plan set. Maybe it was the MARS, but I'm fairly sure it was the POW WOW. That would make it an early Classic, in '52. I had a picture I took of one at VSC '07 that was a great looking plane...but can't find it on the confuser. Drat!  Steve

[EddyR]

I think I have the magazine around some where and I do have the original plans. April 1954
Ed

[EddyR]

Very interesting article. This plane is like several others of his and it uses short motor Mt's as the motor goes in from the top. This forces the short Mt's  so a tank will fit . The original inverted motor Smoothie was this way also.It seems to be over complicated. I have seen several of these and none were built as per the plans. I flew David Merrithews about 20 years ago and thought it flew just as well as my T-Bird.

[Bill Diedrich]

Ed I have noticed that the engine was bolted with the engine bearers
being on top of the engine mounting lugs, kind of odd way of doing it.
As far as the short engine bearers and building it as per plan I have a few
reservations concerning the vibration and not having anything other than
the nose doubler and former #1 supporting it.  That would be the one and
only modification to the plan I would make, which would be to lengthen
the engine bearers so they would extend to former #2 and raise them up
in the nose so that the engine would sit on them as we now do it modern
day construction style.

BTW wasn't there a "Pow-Wow" in the Veco Line of kits, Seems I remember
"The Chief", "The Brave", The Squaw, " The Papoose", "Smoothy", "Tomahawk"
and a P-51 Mustang, might have missed a few.

Bill D.

[Guy B Jr]

What class would the Warrior fall into?

[Bill Little]

What class would the Warrior fall into?

I know the Warrior is Classic/Nostalgia 30 legal.  Can't say for sure that it would be Old Time legal, though.  Veco was famous for having a few different versions, "updating" the model after a few years, so I am not sure if the Warrior falls into that category.  But I am pretty sure the Warrior did not appear until after Dec. 1952 which makes it too new for OTS.

The Warrior is a pretty good flying smaller model.  I would probably use an OS .25LA these days in one.

Big Bear

[Bill Diedrich]

Looking at the drawing again last night with the way the top hatch
is designed I may have to install the engine to the bearers as per plan
so that I can install and remove it, unless I make a bottom hatch for
access to engine & tank.  By doing those mods would it still fall into the
Classic category?

Bill D.

[larry richards]

Good morning Bill.  When I kitted this Pow Wow by Palmer, I did change the motor mounts identical to the other large Palmer/Veco designed kits.  I used 3/8 X1/2 X 6 1/2" maple mounts and changed the F-2 bulkhead to accept the 3/8 X 1/2" maple mount.  As I recall, Veco did not kit the Pow Wow for some reason.  I also used the same plan you have here.  I too did not see any date or a design signature. 

The bottom cowl block I used was 3/8 X 3 X 10" which had to hollowed out to fit the front of the tank.  My kit had laser cut ribs.  12 of these kits were sold but I do not know if any were built or flown . Someone out there may have more answers that might help.    Larry

[EddyR]

Bill    All the ones I have seen have been modified as Ty mentioned. I remember getting a used Veco stunt model back in the 50's and it had the motor mounts set up as per the plans and I had to notch out the mt's to put my Fox 35 in it because the back plate interfears with the mounting of the motor that way.
  One reason that some old designs were built that way was the early motors did not have the crank shaft center inline with the motor mounts. The old Veco and K&B had the low crank case motor mounts. Making the bottom cowl removable would be a big improvement in strength and looks.
Ed

[Marvin Denny]

   There were a couple of companies that made "spacer blocks" to place between the motor beams and the mounts inthe plane so the high motod beam designed engines would fit in the planes designed for engines with the motor beams on the thrust line.  Some came undrilled, some drilled with onlt one hole and some with both holes predrilled for specific angines,  K&B torpedo, Veco, and Forristor were three that I know of that had high motor beams.

  Bigiron   ps--- I still have eight sets of those spacer blocks in my junk barrel.

[john e. holliday]

I had a Pow Wow at my first VSC.  It was built from a kit, but I don't remember who made the kit as I bought it from another modeler who didn't like the looks.   I thought it looked great and flew great.   Mine had the full length engine mounts and was Fox powered.

[Bill Diedrich]

Sent the files off to Dennis Keegan up in Connecticut to have him
do the prints for me, should be able to start this project next week.
Guess I should do the build thread in the Classics Section.....

BTW anyone that would like to build another one of these Pow Wow's
I will gladly e-mail you the files.

Bill D.