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Little Legends
« on: November 04, 2015, 05:59:43 PM »
Ok, I know I should have seen stuff on Little Legends aircraft before now, but I didn't. Where can one get plans for these gems? 

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2015, 09:13:40 PM »
Ok, I know I should have seen stuff on Little Legends aircraft before now, but I didn't. Where can one get plans for these gems? 

George

Roger Viziolis' name just popped into my head so ask him.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 06:56:30 AM »
I know I had plans many years ago. Can't remember if I still have a copy
as I loaned them to a buddy who had a laser cutter. I'll check around the
house and see if I can locat them. My brother and I built a couple of these
planses, and they a re a hoot to fly! They really look good in the air.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 12:43:46 PM »
I believe I can help you with this. are the plans all you need?
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 06:17:23 PM »
I believe I can help you with this. are the plans all you need?

I am looking for the plans...but I am intrigued by your question.  Kits/short kits?

Which plans do you have?

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 11:24:31 PM »
I am looking for the plans...but I am intrigued by your question.  Kits/short kits?

Which plans do you have?

George

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2015, 08:05:02 AM »
I just had a short "back and forth" with Roger Vizioli and it seems Walter is already on the case.
You guys need to convince Walter to kit these things, at least the Stiletto one! ;)
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2015, 08:49:38 AM »
The Little Legends are great and I highly recommend contacting Walter Umland re. same.
If we can convince him to provide kits, they will be first rate!!!
And I agree with Les, he should do the Stiletto first, BUT, should do them all!

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2015, 05:02:32 PM »
Walt did send me a message. Couldn't agree more guys about the Stiletto. Still my favorite airplane after all these years. I have the lost foam jig for the 35 size and am just waiting to get the Cardinal completed before I start on that one. 

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2015, 11:26:20 AM »
Walt did send me a message. Couldn't agree more guys about the Stiletto. Still my favorite airplane after all these years. I have the lost foam jig for the 35 size and am just waiting to get the Cardinal completed before I start on that one. 

George, please email or P.M. me your address so I can calculate the postage.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2015, 01:17:06 PM »
Just sent you a message Walter.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2018, 07:04:18 PM »
I'd love a set of plans, Walter!!

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2018, 08:21:37 PM »

 What are the Little Legends?

Narrowly averting disaster since 1964! 

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2018, 08:29:15 PM »
(5) miniature 1/2A sized replicas of stunt planes-
Stilleto-
Impact-
Nobler-
Genesis-
USA-1-

All on one plan, and built up balsa.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2018, 09:03:21 PM »

 Thanks.  H^^
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2018, 09:42:18 PM »
1/2A? That's my size! Can we see pics?
Are plans on OZ?

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2018, 09:55:03 PM »
Nope, not on outerzone....

I believe that Walter Umland has the plans. Steve Moon did originally.

I would definitely build the Stiletto first.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2018, 12:10:54 AM »
I'm interested in both plans and kits.  Sounds looks fun!

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2018, 12:12:13 AM »
Sounds like fun?  Yep that's better.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2018, 05:42:00 AM »
 :) I love building 1/2 A planes! I would like to have the plans & better yet see some more !/2 A kits!!

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2018, 06:55:01 AM »
any picture of the plans just out of curiosity?

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2018, 07:48:34 AM »
It was Steve Buso's idea to make the 1/2A profile replicas of the models in the series. He asked me if it would be okay to do my Genesis, and of course I said "yes!" He didn't have a name for the series and I suggested Li'l Legends. He love that idea and went ahead with the series. They are all on one plan.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2018, 09:12:35 AM »
any picture of the plans just out of curiosity?

An online search only got me this--
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2018, 09:16:59 PM »
Guys-

I have a great news update for the fans of these 1/2A Little Legends!!

I spoke to Walter Umland on the phone this evening, and he said that he does have the files for cutting kits for the 5 planes listed above, and the plans.
He said that the original guy that set this up had visions of selling the "super kit" to include all five of these planes, and that the interest in the past has been minimal.
What he wants to do is to try to get a count on who would want what kits, and he said he WILL produce them!  #^

He asked me which one I was most interested in, and OF COURSE I said I wanted the STILLETO first! He loves the Stiletto 660 as much as I do (It's a sexy looking plane, if you ask me), and that he wants to start there.

How many are interested in a 1/2A Stiletto kit?

Since the wings are essentially the same just with different tips and flaps, I also might try talking Walter into selling the plans and basic wing kits, sort of a short kit. I would think in doing this, if you had the wing kit and plans, you could decide which model to build after looking the plans over. They you would just supply the sheet wood for the fuse, tips, flaps and tail parts to make whichever model from the 5 plane plan set.
Not sure if it is as simple as that, but if it is, that would be pretty cool I think. y1

Please Chime in if you are interested in a 1/2A Stiletto kit from Walter. I'll be calling him mid week next week to report the interest.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2018, 09:26:57 PM »
   To make it easier on Walter and as you suggested, maybe more desirable in the market, just produce a short kit consisting of the plans and wing kit, and let the buyer decide which fuselage and mode to build. I remember discussions about this years ago. I think it was an out growth of a 1cc stunt class out west somewhere? That would have allowed the then newer .061 engines on the market to be used for slightly bigger airplane. .061 is NOT 1/2A, but is actually A class engine. I would be interested in at least a set of plans, or a short kit as I described.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2018, 03:52:52 AM »
Definitely interested!!
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2018, 06:42:00 AM »
I am also interested in the plans & short kits!

Thanks, RK Flyer

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2018, 07:32:55 AM »
  I think it was an out growth of a 1cc stunt class out west somewhere? That would have allowed the then newer .061 engines on the market to be used.... (snipped )
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Yes sir, the leprechaun stunt contests. I made an attempt in December, but because of a bad fuel tank set up, I couldn't keep mine running. The contest I went to was in CA at whittier narrows.

If this kit thing happens, and as long as is not too soon (saving money for house down payment and stuff) then I'm in. Short kit, plans, builders choice. That sounds good.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2018, 07:39:09 AM »
I'm in , we have a 1/2 A day at our field every year. These would be great

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2018, 10:01:30 AM »
Is there any way to get a digital copy of the plans? I hope to build my not-so-short stash of simple kits  (toys?) this spring...and then move on this summer to more aerobatic, scratch-build ships in 1/2A.

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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2018, 12:31:23 PM »
I am interested in all the Little Legends as kits.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2018, 01:42:30 PM »
And if the wing is basically the same for all, maybe if there's a large enough demand one of the wing guys could have the templates to cut cores?  I've got an original sized Tercel foam wing on order from Bob Hunt.  Maybe a Little Legends plans and foam wing core option?

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2018, 03:00:27 PM »
Well, I started this thread so I am interested in a kit or short kit.  The Stiletto is the one Id want if I have to pick one. 

Lets do this.

George

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2018, 07:30:49 PM »
I will take one

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2018, 07:38:01 PM »
I'm in! PhillySkip

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2018, 08:10:01 PM »
I'am in for plans and short kit or plans and foam wing.
What engine are these designed for?
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2018, 09:27:42 PM »
I just had a short "back and forth" with Roger Vizioli and it seems Walter is already on the case.
You guys need to convince Walter to kit these things, at least the Stiletto one! ;)

Les,
It's been a while since we have spoken or seen each other. This thread has me energized.
I have all parts cut for one of each of the Little Legends.
As soon as I get all the chores/repairs done from the Hurricane  I will be starting on another   "Little Legends Stiletto".
The Genesis has many flights on it, have to strengthen a gear mount in the inboard wing and it is ready to fly again.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2018, 10:51:30 PM »
If you would be so kind as to post a picture of one of your models,  Roger, that would surely spark some interest.
Larry, i believe the series is meant to use any beam mount cox or Norvel or AP type .049 to .061.
You could probably easily adapt a radial mount engine though,  like a black widow, because of the profile fuselages. 
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2018, 11:36:22 PM »
The Li'l Legends Series - designs by Dick Sarpolus reported in the July, 1996 issue of Flying Models by Bob Hunt - is another great series.  It includes several warbirds and there seem to be about a jillion designs in the series.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2018, 08:41:01 AM »
If you would be so kind as to post a picture of one of your models,  Roger, that would surely spark some interest.
Larry, i believe the series is meant to use any beam mount cox or Norvel or AP type .049 to .061.
You could probably easily adapt a radial mount engine though,  like a black widow, because of the profile fuselages.

Chris,
Unfortunately, the Stiletto experienced a broken .oo8" line during second corner of an outside square, no pics available. That is why I want to build another.
Attached pics of the LL Genesis alongside a 1/2 a Pathfinder for reference.

Note: Initially flew Stiletto w/Cox .061, it wanted more power. Now use Norvel .061's on all my "1/2A ?" stunters. More than adequate power!!  :-)

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2018, 09:42:59 AM »
[quote author=Roger Vizioli link=topic=41219.msg510597#msg510597 date=1517672461

Note: Initially flew Stiletto w/Cox .061, it wanted more power. Now use Norvel .061's on all my "1/2A ?" stunters. More than adequate power!!  :-)

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[/quote]

There never was a Cox .061. Do you mean .051?
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2018, 12:13:35 PM »
[quote author=Roger Vizioli link=topic=41219.msg510597#msg510597 date=1517672461

Note: Initially flew Stiletto w/Cox .061, it wanted more power. Now use Norvel .061's on all my "1/2A ?" stunters. More than adequate power!!  :-)

Roger


There never was a Cox .061. Do you mean .051?

Larry,
My mistake, thanks for the correction.
Yes, it was an .051.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2018, 02:41:48 PM »
Looks like I have ELEVEN people showing interest in either plans + short kit, or plans and a full kit.

I'll make an Excel list later and post it here to make sure people are accurately represented.

Bob Hunt-
Would you be willing to cut some foam cores for those that wanted, and if so, could you provide a ball park figure?
If it is a go, and you don't have them, I will see if I can get the template info to you from Walter.
Heck, you might already have it somewhere. Don't kill yourself looking for it though. It's just an idea at this point and only one or tw may be interested in foam cored wings.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2018, 03:16:48 PM »
Hi Chris:

Yes, I can cut cores for these wings. Give me a call and I'll give you a figure. If you can get an order together for a bunch of them I'll give the group a special price. The actual work required to make a 1/2A wing is not much less than that required to make a larger wing or core set.   

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2018, 06:31:38 PM »
Gentlemen,

Is there an avenue for plans collectors to jump in on the side of this endeavor?

I have no time/space to build one yet, but would like a digital copy for when the dust settles on my building board.

Thanks in advance,

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« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2018, 06:58:47 PM »
I too would like a set of those plans.  D>K
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2018, 12:59:13 AM »
I want a USA-1 kit, along with a plans set.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2018, 07:40:04 AM »
Just a note: I can also provide Lost-Foam building fixtures for built-up wings for the Lil' Legends series.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2018, 07:48:30 AM »
If there is going to be a group buy on the foam wings, Id consider a set.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2018, 12:03:02 PM »
Years ago I built the Gieseke Nobler
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