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Little Legends
« on: November 04, 2015, 05:59:43 PM »
Ok, I know I should have seen stuff on Little Legends aircraft before now, but I didn't. Where can one get plans for these gems? 

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2015, 09:13:40 PM »
Ok, I know I should have seen stuff on Little Legends aircraft before now, but I didn't. Where can one get plans for these gems? 

George

Roger Viziolis' name just popped into my head so ask him.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 06:56:30 AM »
I know I had plans many years ago. Can't remember if I still have a copy
as I loaned them to a buddy who had a laser cutter. I'll check around the
house and see if I can locat them. My brother and I built a couple of these
planses, and they a re a hoot to fly! They really look good in the air.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 12:43:46 PM »
I believe I can help you with this. are the plans all you need?
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 06:17:23 PM »
I believe I can help you with this. are the plans all you need?

I am looking for the plans...but I am intrigued by your question.  Kits/short kits?

Which plans do you have?

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 11:24:31 PM »
I am looking for the plans...but I am intrigued by your question.  Kits/short kits?

Which plans do you have?

George

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2015, 08:05:02 AM »
I just had a short "back and forth" with Roger Vizioli and it seems Walter is already on the case.
You guys need to convince Walter to kit these things, at least the Stiletto one! ;)
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2015, 08:49:38 AM »
The Little Legends are great and I highly recommend contacting Walter Umland re. same.
If we can convince him to provide kits, they will be first rate!!!
And I agree with Les, he should do the Stiletto first, BUT, should do them all!

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2015, 05:02:32 PM »
Walt did send me a message. Couldn't agree more guys about the Stiletto. Still my favorite airplane after all these years. I have the lost foam jig for the 35 size and am just waiting to get the Cardinal completed before I start on that one. 

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2015, 11:26:20 AM »
Walt did send me a message. Couldn't agree more guys about the Stiletto. Still my favorite airplane after all these years. I have the lost foam jig for the 35 size and am just waiting to get the Cardinal completed before I start on that one. 

George, please email or P.M. me your address so I can calculate the postage.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2015, 01:17:06 PM »
Just sent you a message Walter.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2018, 07:04:18 PM »
I'd love a set of plans, Walter!!

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2018, 08:21:37 PM »

 What are the Little Legends?

Narrowly averting disaster since 1964! 

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2018, 08:29:15 PM »
(5) miniature 1/2A sized replicas of stunt planes-
Stilleto-
Impact-
Nobler-
Genesis-
USA-1-

All on one plan, and built up balsa.
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2018, 09:03:21 PM »

 Thanks.  H^^
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2018, 09:42:18 PM »
1/2A? That's my size! Can we see pics?
Are plans on OZ?

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2018, 09:55:03 PM »
Nope, not on outerzone....

I believe that Walter Umland has the plans. Steve Moon did originally.

I would definitely build the Stiletto first.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2018, 12:10:54 AM »
I'm interested in both plans and kits.  Sounds looks fun!

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2018, 12:12:13 AM »
Sounds like fun?  Yep that's better.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2018, 05:42:00 AM »
 :) I love building 1/2 A planes! I would like to have the plans & better yet see some more !/2 A kits!!

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2018, 06:55:01 AM »
any picture of the plans just out of curiosity?

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2018, 07:48:34 AM »
It was Steve Buso's idea to make the 1/2A profile replicas of the models in the series. He asked me if it would be okay to do my Genesis, and of course I said "yes!" He didn't have a name for the series and I suggested Li'l Legends. He love that idea and went ahead with the series. They are all on one plan.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2018, 09:12:35 AM »
any picture of the plans just out of curiosity?

An online search only got me this--
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2018, 09:16:59 PM »
Guys-

I have a great news update for the fans of these 1/2A Little Legends!!

I spoke to Walter Umland on the phone this evening, and he said that he does have the files for cutting kits for the 5 planes listed above, and the plans.
He said that the original guy that set this up had visions of selling the "super kit" to include all five of these planes, and that the interest in the past has been minimal.
What he wants to do is to try to get a count on who would want what kits, and he said he WILL produce them!  #^

He asked me which one I was most interested in, and OF COURSE I said I wanted the STILLETO first! He loves the Stiletto 660 as much as I do (It's a sexy looking plane, if you ask me), and that he wants to start there.

How many are interested in a 1/2A Stiletto kit?

Since the wings are essentially the same just with different tips and flaps, I also might try talking Walter into selling the plans and basic wing kits, sort of a short kit. I would think in doing this, if you had the wing kit and plans, you could decide which model to build after looking the plans over. They you would just supply the sheet wood for the fuse, tips, flaps and tail parts to make whichever model from the 5 plane plan set.
Not sure if it is as simple as that, but if it is, that would be pretty cool I think. y1

Please Chime in if you are interested in a 1/2A Stiletto kit from Walter. I'll be calling him mid week next week to report the interest.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2018, 09:26:57 PM »
   To make it easier on Walter and as you suggested, maybe more desirable in the market, just produce a short kit consisting of the plans and wing kit, and let the buyer decide which fuselage and mode to build. I remember discussions about this years ago. I think it was an out growth of a 1cc stunt class out west somewhere? That would have allowed the then newer .061 engines on the market to be used for slightly bigger airplane. .061 is NOT 1/2A, but is actually A class engine. I would be interested in at least a set of plans, or a short kit as I described.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2018, 03:52:52 AM »
Definitely interested!!
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2018, 06:42:00 AM »
I am also interested in the plans & short kits!

Thanks, RK Flyer

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2018, 07:32:55 AM »
  I think it was an out growth of a 1cc stunt class out west somewhere? That would have allowed the then newer .061 engines on the market to be used.... (snipped )
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Yes sir, the leprechaun stunt contests. I made an attempt in December, but because of a bad fuel tank set up, I couldn't keep mine running. The contest I went to was in CA at whittier narrows.

If this kit thing happens, and as long as is not too soon (saving money for house down payment and stuff) then I'm in. Short kit, plans, builders choice. That sounds good.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2018, 07:39:09 AM »
I'm in , we have a 1/2 A day at our field every year. These would be great

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2018, 10:01:30 AM »
Is there any way to get a digital copy of the plans? I hope to build my not-so-short stash of simple kits  (toys?) this spring...and then move on this summer to more aerobatic, scratch-build ships in 1/2A.

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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2018, 12:31:23 PM »
I am interested in all the Little Legends as kits.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2018, 01:42:30 PM »
And if the wing is basically the same for all, maybe if there's a large enough demand one of the wing guys could have the templates to cut cores?  I've got an original sized Tercel foam wing on order from Bob Hunt.  Maybe a Little Legends plans and foam wing core option?

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2018, 03:00:27 PM »
Well, I started this thread so I am interested in a kit or short kit.  The Stiletto is the one Id want if I have to pick one. 

Lets do this.

George

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2018, 07:30:49 PM »
I will take one

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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2018, 07:38:01 PM »
I'm in! PhillySkip

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2018, 08:10:01 PM »
I'am in for plans and short kit or plans and foam wing.
What engine are these designed for?
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2018, 09:27:42 PM »
I just had a short "back and forth" with Roger Vizioli and it seems Walter is already on the case.
You guys need to convince Walter to kit these things, at least the Stiletto one! ;)

Les,
It's been a while since we have spoken or seen each other. This thread has me energized.
I have all parts cut for one of each of the Little Legends.
As soon as I get all the chores/repairs done from the Hurricane  I will be starting on another   "Little Legends Stiletto".
The Genesis has many flights on it, have to strengthen a gear mount in the inboard wing and it is ready to fly again.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2018, 10:51:30 PM »
If you would be so kind as to post a picture of one of your models,  Roger, that would surely spark some interest.
Larry, i believe the series is meant to use any beam mount cox or Norvel or AP type .049 to .061.
You could probably easily adapt a radial mount engine though,  like a black widow, because of the profile fuselages. 
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2018, 11:36:22 PM »
The Li'l Legends Series - designs by Dick Sarpolus reported in the July, 1996 issue of Flying Models by Bob Hunt - is another great series.  It includes several warbirds and there seem to be about a jillion designs in the series.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2018, 08:41:01 AM »
If you would be so kind as to post a picture of one of your models,  Roger, that would surely spark some interest.
Larry, i believe the series is meant to use any beam mount cox or Norvel or AP type .049 to .061.
You could probably easily adapt a radial mount engine though,  like a black widow, because of the profile fuselages.

Chris,
Unfortunately, the Stiletto experienced a broken .oo8" line during second corner of an outside square, no pics available. That is why I want to build another.
Attached pics of the LL Genesis alongside a 1/2 a Pathfinder for reference.

Note: Initially flew Stiletto w/Cox .061, it wanted more power. Now use Norvel .061's on all my "1/2A ?" stunters. More than adequate power!!  :-)

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2018, 09:42:59 AM »
[quote author=Roger Vizioli link=topic=41219.msg510597#msg510597 date=1517672461

Note: Initially flew Stiletto w/Cox .061, it wanted more power. Now use Norvel .061's on all my "1/2A ?" stunters. More than adequate power!!  :-)

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[/quote]

There never was a Cox .061. Do you mean .051?
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2018, 12:13:35 PM »
[quote author=Roger Vizioli link=topic=41219.msg510597#msg510597 date=1517672461

Note: Initially flew Stiletto w/Cox .061, it wanted more power. Now use Norvel .061's on all my "1/2A ?" stunters. More than adequate power!!  :-)

Roger


There never was a Cox .061. Do you mean .051?

Larry,
My mistake, thanks for the correction.
Yes, it was an .051.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2018, 02:28:17 PM »
The Li'l Legends Series - designs by Dick Sarpolus reported in the July, 1996 issue of Flying Models by Bob Hunt - is another great series.  It includes several warbirds and there seem to be about a jillion designs in the series.

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Thanks Dennis for the info.

Just not to confuse things, the ones I am talking about and trying to get an order going from Walter Umland for, are the LITTLE LEGENDS, the miniature PA stunters, with a built up wing, and a profile fuse. They all have working flaps as well as elevator and are miniature versions of successful full size PA stunters that have been somewhat famous over the years in competition. They are not the flat sheet balsa winged planes from Dick Sarpalus by the same series name.

Are you interested in a mini-Stiletto? Can I put you down for that and/or a plans set from Walter?

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« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2018, 02:41:48 PM »
Looks like I have ELEVEN people showing interest in either plans + short kit, or plans and a full kit.

I'll make an Excel list later and post it here to make sure people are accurately represented.

Bob Hunt-
Would you be willing to cut some foam cores for those that wanted, and if so, could you provide a ball park figure?
If it is a go, and you don't have them, I will see if I can get the template info to you from Walter.
Heck, you might already have it somewhere. Don't kill yourself looking for it though. It's just an idea at this point and only one or tw may be interested in foam cored wings.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2018, 03:16:48 PM »
Hi Chris:

Yes, I can cut cores for these wings. Give me a call and I'll give you a figure. If you can get an order together for a bunch of them I'll give the group a special price. The actual work required to make a 1/2A wing is not much less than that required to make a larger wing or core set.   

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2018, 06:31:38 PM »
Gentlemen,

Is there an avenue for plans collectors to jump in on the side of this endeavor?

I have no time/space to build one yet, but would like a digital copy for when the dust settles on my building board.

Thanks in advance,

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« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2018, 06:58:47 PM »
I too would like a set of those plans.  D>K
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2018, 12:59:13 AM »
I want a USA-1 kit, along with a plans set.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2018, 07:40:04 AM »
Just a note: I can also provide Lost-Foam building fixtures for built-up wings for the Lil' Legends series.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2018, 07:48:30 AM »
If there is going to be a group buy on the foam wings, Id consider a set.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2018, 12:03:02 PM »
Years ago I built the Gieseke Nobler
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2018, 01:19:37 PM »
Thanks for posting the picture, Doug!
Do you recall what size tank you were running on the Norvel's?

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« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2018, 01:31:52 PM »
The tank is 1 oz or 3/4.  I have only flown that plane a few times and that was many many years ago.
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« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2018, 01:53:11 PM »
Just a note: I can also provide Lost-Foam building fixtures for built-up wings for the Lil' Legends series.

Later - Bob Hunt

I'm almost embarrassed to say that I would be interested in one of these.
Blue foam, right?
I could cut my own, but with as much as I am working right now, I don't have the time to set up the bow on the bench.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2018, 01:54:18 PM »
The tank is 1 oz or 3/4.  I have only flown that plane a few times and that was many many years ago.
Thanks Doug.
Did that get you through the whole pattern?
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« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2018, 01:56:10 PM »
Here is what I have so far.
Hope Sparky's website lets Excel on here as an attachment....
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« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2018, 04:24:45 PM »
Here is what I have so far.
Hope Sparky's website lets Excel on here as an attachment....

Thanks Chris for putting this together. Just to clarify my position, I already have plans.  I would take either a full kit OR short kit OR foam wing. This is a fun potential project.

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« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2018, 05:08:18 PM »
Here is what I have so far.
Hope Sparky's website lets Excel on here as an attachment....

Add me to a foam wing or lost foam kit. Whatever is more popular.

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« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2018, 05:23:45 PM »
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2018, 04:53:02 AM »
I would be interested in a kit, preferably of all 5.

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« Reply #60 on: February 05, 2018, 08:15:05 PM »
Copy, Bill!!!!!

And I got your message, Gordon V T.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2018, 11:43:57 PM »
Good that you guys are getting together on this, but I'm confused by the title ... The topic was Little Legends to begin with, now it's apparently Li'l Legends.

As I've pointed out, no less an authority than Bob Hunt has claimed the latter title - Li'l Legends - for Dick Sarpolus' series of sheet balsa airplanes.  Please refer to Rule 681.01.B.23.c Paragraph 17 ...

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Uh, I beg to differ..... My understanding is YOU said that the Li'l Legends was the title of Dick Sarpolus' series of flat wing 1/2A's in your earlier post (see post #34) . Bob Hunt on the other hand, said that he helped Steve Buso name the series we are talking about (SEE POST #21, don't refer to any rule book n1) with the built up wings.
As for the title of the thread, well, I didn't start the thread, just added on because I am a firm believer in forum thread consolidation.

So now that this very important detail is cleared up, there is only one question that remains-

Are you IN, or are you OUT, Dennis??   #^
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #62 on: February 06, 2018, 05:43:35 AM »
Okay guys, enough.

It's my bad. I suggested the name Little Legends to Steve Buso for the series of replica stunters. I then used the name Li'l Legends in a short piece about all the neat 1/2A models of Dick Sarpolus. One was a series name and one was an article name. It was a million years ago, and I guess I had some brain fade and forgot which was which. So, if you are going to blame someone. blame me. I have big shoulders and I can take it. 

By the way, Dick Sarpolus is a friend to all of us, and he's in a funk right now. His wife, Lynn has Parkinson's and she is not doing well. Please keep Dick and Lynn in your thoughts and prayers.

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« Reply #63 on: February 06, 2018, 07:48:43 AM »
Best wishes to Mr and Mrs Sarpolus.
I hope they have some peaceful loving days ahead.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2018, 01:19:57 PM »
Is there any way to get a digital copy of the plans? I hope to build my not-so-short stash of simple kits  (toys?) this spring...and then move on this summer to more aerobatic, scratch-build ships in 1/2A.

Thanks in advance

Hi, Jim-
Only physical plans will be offered.
They will be $15 each plus postage if folded, or $15, plus tube cost, and actual shipping costs, if you prefer the plans rolled.
Please let me know.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2018, 01:40:51 PM »
Gents-

I just spoke with Mr. Umland.
The plans are $15 plus shipping costs for the 5 plane sheet. They measure full size, approximately 36" x 60"

Walter wants to do a first run of Stiletto short kits only, other models will follow after that.
Bill Ambrose is asked to contact Walter directly for the one of the 5 models "multi-kit".

Walter will be offering a short kit of the 1/2A Stiletto. Included will be ALL PARTS that can be laser cut in balsa or ply.
Missing will be stick or sheet wood, hardware, motor mounts, bellcranks, controls, wheels, etc.
Cost is estimated to be $60 plus shipping each, but if there is enough interest, it could be slightly less.

I am assigned as the gatherer of customers so that Walter can concentrate on getting the kits rolling.

What I will need from you all is your info below sent to me via PM or email (I think there is a button for email on StuntHanger here), and a firm promise that you will pay Walter when the time comes. He says he is getting on the project quickly so it should not be long before the kits would be ready to ship out.

Name
Email address
Mailing address-where the kit will go
Phone number.

For the guys that want one of the other planes in the series, Walter says they will follow, and I would assume he'd go in order of demand, if not based on the wood cutting processes used, or some combination there of.

Also, for the guys that want the lost foam cradles from Bob Hunt (I know I do) for building the wing nice and accurate, if you indicate that in your comms with me, I will check if we can get a group rate on the fixtures.
Same as above for foam wings cores.

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« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2018, 08:26:43 PM »
Updated, light so far but I'll check after the weekend. #^
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« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2018, 04:59:38 PM »
I sent out a SLUE of emails using the Email Button here on Stunthanger. They were sent to people that expressed interest before and haven't got on the "promise to buy one" list, and sent me their contact info.

Just to eliminate possible confusion about this, if you ask for a Stiletto (or other model, soon to follow) short kit, it does NOT come with the full five plane plan set, it will come with a wing build plan, and some other info to allow you to build that model.

If you want the full five model plan set, it will cost an extra $15, maybe plus shipping.... Possibly the shipping could be combined with the short kit, I am not sure about this. To be determined by Walter when he boxes the kits.

Attached is the latest of what I have after getting info from a few of you.
Serious folks have an "X" on the column to the far right, and I have their contact and shipping info.
I'll keep an updated plan/kit purchase list on the last post I make to the thread here.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2018, 09:17:03 PM »
What would be the length of the lines be for these 1/2 A's
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2018, 10:28:50 PM »
Guy-

I'm guessing the lines for these would be .008 x 40'-45', but hopefully someone like Doug Moon, Steve Moon or Roger V can chime in that has flown one of these models.
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Re: Little Legends - line lengths
« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2018, 10:47:36 AM »
Guy-

I'm guessing the lines for these would be .008 x 40'-45', but hopefully someone like Doug Moon, Steve Moon or Roger V can chime in that has flown one of these models.
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The LL postings are growing! Shouldn't this be moved to 1/2A Building?

Ideal setup depends on two major factors.
1. What are you using for power?.    I use Norvel .061's.
2.  What does it weigh , dry, ready to fly? My heaviest LL is 14.2 oz, but is uses a sheeted foam wing covered with Ultracote. I was not weight conscious when building same, too much adhesive on the sheeting, too much paint on remaining structure. :-(
      It flew well on 42'/.008 7 strand lines. I know a lighter build would make it even better. Longer lines are then possible.     

Misc. info.:
.008" lines are a b**ch and easily kinked or damaged.
Just "assembled" an ARF Baby Clown/will use Novel .049 or.061 as a test bed for playing around with fishing line and knots before I try them on any of my 1/2 planes. Have flown a friends Baby Clown  w/ a Norvel .061 and it is a screamer!!!
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2018, 07:29:16 PM »
A couple more changes.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2018, 03:25:14 PM »
Hi, Roger-

Not sure if we would get MORE or less interest in the 1/2A forum and out of the OPEN forum.

Me too on the Spyderwire lines. I hope to try them out.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2018, 03:55:28 PM »
I recall all five of us signed several sets of these plans for Steve Buso.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2018, 03:59:44 PM »
That's super cool, Les!

I have an offer for you------

If you'll build it, I'll buy it!

Let us send you a 1/2A Stiletto from Walter Umland.

You should do it!

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #75 on: February 12, 2018, 08:11:36 PM »
I recall all five of us signed several sets of these plans for Steve Buso.

Les,
You recall correctly.
I have a copy of one of Steve's originals.  :-)
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« Reply #76 on: February 12, 2018, 08:15:37 PM »
Hi, Roger-

Not sure if we would get MORE or less interest in the 1/2A forum and out of the OPEN forum.

Me too on the Spyderwire lines. I hope to try them out.
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Hi Chris,
Okay, will use the Baby Clown as the flying test bed. Also plan to do ground pull tests on lines and various knots.Will advise.
Anyone with fishing line and knot experience for 1/2A are welcome to provide info., pics.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #77 on: February 12, 2018, 09:42:06 PM »
Anyone with fishing line and knot experience for 1/2A are welcome to provide info., pics.
Thx,
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This is my unscientific test of Spectra lines using the AMA specified double Uni knot.  Take the results as you will:

https://www.coxengineforum.com/t10145-my-unscientific-spectra-test#128315

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« Reply #78 on: February 13, 2018, 07:17:49 PM »
Orders are still trickling in.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #79 on: February 13, 2018, 08:21:54 PM »


Thanks for the picture of the Gieseke Nobler Little Legend. Nice paint scheme.
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« Reply #80 on: February 13, 2018, 09:42:07 PM »
Rick bollinger soon to be added.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #81 on: February 13, 2018, 11:08:14 PM »

Anyone with fishing line and knot experience for 1/2A are welcome to provide info., pics.

Roger

      I sport fly Phil C's Lil Hacker 1/2A combat planes with 30# Spectra. There's no discernable difference compared to flying with .008 steel lines.

      I can get matching sets of lines by tying fishing rings on the ends. I've tried various knots to attach the rings but I've settled on tying the first ring with a square knot and backing it up with a surgeons knot. I'll finish it off by CAREFULLY burnishing the end with a flame. The first end is free. It's then attached to a fixture. The other end of the line is set out to the desired length and tied to a ring held in a fixture. It's secured again with a square knot and backed up with a surgeons knot.

      I fly sport, stunt and combat with Spectra using these rings and knots and haven't had any failures. Pull testing is the 'feels about right' method. The largest model flown with this setup is a throttled 56" biplane with with a 70 Surpass four stroke.

      Tying the rings with the square knots first gives you the accurate lengths. Using the surgeons knot only varies the length when drawn tight.


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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #82 on: February 13, 2018, 11:45:54 PM »
I didn't know you were Irish, Chris! People don't usually spell slew in Gallic... slue!
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« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2018, 12:51:26 AM »
      Tying the rings with the square knots first gives you the accurate lengths. Using the surgeons knot only varies the length when drawn tight.

Ara

Ara,  what brand of rings do you use?

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« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2018, 09:02:53 AM »
Ara,  what brand of rings do you use?

        Mark

           Can't remember the cost. Under $10?

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« Reply #85 on: February 14, 2018, 10:31:33 AM »
        Mark

           Can't remember the cost. Under $10?

Ara and Mark,
   Many thanks for the line and knot info.
   The ring idea is neat. Rather than tying knot on line clip which fixes line length, use of the ring(s) allows  changing  various length clips for minor line length adjustments. :-)

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« Reply #86 on: February 14, 2018, 12:46:19 PM »
I didn't know you were Irish, Chris! People don't usually spell slew in Gallic... slue!
Chris...

I either slewed, slued, or sloughed you, but whichever it was, it worked, 'cause you are on the list!!
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« Reply #87 on: February 14, 2018, 03:16:49 PM »
I'm glad. I saw the plans when they were first drawn when Buso came over to Windy's when I lived there and I liked the idea very much. I was flying 1/2A Speed with my children and hot new engines were available and thought it would be fun to build one but I don't remember if Buso sold them direct or what. I recall he wanted to kit them or feature it in an article but I must've missed it if it did happen.
I'm glad Moon gave us a picture to look at, they're very cool looking and it's nice to see a good, replica style finished model complete with iconic paint trim.
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