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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2018, 12:03:02 PM »
Years ago I built the Gieseke Nobler
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2018, 01:19:37 PM »
Thanks for posting the picture, Doug!
Do you recall what size tank you were running on the Norvel's?

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2018, 01:31:52 PM »
The tank is 1 oz or 3/4.  I have only flown that plane a few times and that was many many years ago.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2018, 01:53:11 PM »
Just a note: I can also provide Lost-Foam building fixtures for built-up wings for the Lil' Legends series.

Later - Bob Hunt

I'm almost embarrassed to say that I would be interested in one of these.
Blue foam, right?
I could cut my own, but with as much as I am working right now, I don't have the time to set up the bow on the bench.
"Come on, retirement!".

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2018, 01:54:18 PM »
The tank is 1 oz or 3/4.  I have only flown that plane a few times and that was many many years ago.
Thanks Doug.
Did that get you through the whole pattern?
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2018, 01:56:10 PM »
Here is what I have so far.
Hope Sparky's website lets Excel on here as an attachment....
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2018, 04:24:45 PM »
Here is what I have so far.
Hope Sparky's website lets Excel on here as an attachment....

Thanks Chris for putting this together. Just to clarify my position, I already have plans.  I would take either a full kit OR short kit OR foam wing. This is a fun potential project.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2018, 05:08:18 PM »
Here is what I have so far.
Hope Sparky's website lets Excel on here as an attachment....

Add me to a foam wing or lost foam kit. Whatever is more popular.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2018, 05:23:45 PM »
Rev 1
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2018, 04:53:02 AM »
I would be interested in a kit, preferably of all 5.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #60 on: February 05, 2018, 08:15:05 PM »
Copy, Bill!!!!!

And I got your message, Gordon V T.

Thanks for the support guys, I think that Walter will be very pleased.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2018, 11:43:57 PM »
Good that you guys are getting together on this, but I'm confused by the title ... The topic was Little Legends to begin with, now it's apparently Li'l Legends.

As I've pointed out, no less an authority than Bob Hunt has claimed the latter title - Li'l Legends - for Dick Sarpolus' series of sheet balsa airplanes.  Please refer to Rule 681.01.B.23.c Paragraph 17 ...

 n1
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Uh, I beg to differ..... My understanding is YOU said that the Li'l Legends was the title of Dick Sarpolus' series of flat wing 1/2A's in your earlier post (see post #34) . Bob Hunt on the other hand, said that he helped Steve Buso name the series we are talking about (SEE POST #21, don't refer to any rule book n1) with the built up wings.
As for the title of the thread, well, I didn't start the thread, just added on because I am a firm believer in forum thread consolidation.

So now that this very important detail is cleared up, there is only one question that remains-

Are you IN, or are you OUT, Dennis??   #^
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #62 on: February 06, 2018, 05:43:35 AM »
Okay guys, enough.

It's my bad. I suggested the name Little Legends to Steve Buso for the series of replica stunters. I then used the name Li'l Legends in a short piece about all the neat 1/2A models of Dick Sarpolus. One was a series name and one was an article name. It was a million years ago, and I guess I had some brain fade and forgot which was which. So, if you are going to blame someone. blame me. I have big shoulders and I can take it. 

By the way, Dick Sarpolus is a friend to all of us, and he's in a funk right now. His wife, Lynn has Parkinson's and she is not doing well. Please keep Dick and Lynn in your thoughts and prayers.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #63 on: February 06, 2018, 07:48:43 AM »
Best wishes to Mr and Mrs Sarpolus.
I hope they have some peaceful loving days ahead.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2018, 01:19:57 PM »
Is there any way to get a digital copy of the plans? I hope to build my not-so-short stash of simple kits  (toys?) this spring...and then move on this summer to more aerobatic, scratch-build ships in 1/2A.

Thanks in advance

Hi, Jim-
Only physical plans will be offered.
They will be $15 each plus postage if folded, or $15, plus tube cost, and actual shipping costs, if you prefer the plans rolled.
Please let me know.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2018, 01:40:51 PM »
Gents-

I just spoke with Mr. Umland.
The plans are $15 plus shipping costs for the 5 plane sheet. They measure full size, approximately 36" x 60"

Walter wants to do a first run of Stiletto short kits only, other models will follow after that.
Bill Ambrose is asked to contact Walter directly for the one of the 5 models "multi-kit".

Walter will be offering a short kit of the 1/2A Stiletto. Included will be ALL PARTS that can be laser cut in balsa or ply.
Missing will be stick or sheet wood, hardware, motor mounts, bellcranks, controls, wheels, etc.
Cost is estimated to be $60 plus shipping each, but if there is enough interest, it could be slightly less.

I am assigned as the gatherer of customers so that Walter can concentrate on getting the kits rolling.

What I will need from you all is your info below sent to me via PM or email (I think there is a button for email on StuntHanger here), and a firm promise that you will pay Walter when the time comes. He says he is getting on the project quickly so it should not be long before the kits would be ready to ship out.

Name
Email address
Mailing address-where the kit will go
Phone number.

For the guys that want one of the other planes in the series, Walter says they will follow, and I would assume he'd go in order of demand, if not based on the wood cutting processes used, or some combination there of.

Also, for the guys that want the lost foam cradles from Bob Hunt (I know I do) for building the wing nice and accurate, if you indicate that in your comms with me, I will check if we can get a group rate on the fixtures.
Same as above for foam wings cores.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2018, 08:26:43 PM »
Updated, light so far but I'll check after the weekend. #^
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2018, 04:59:38 PM »
I sent out a SLUE of emails using the Email Button here on Stunthanger. They were sent to people that expressed interest before and haven't got on the "promise to buy one" list, and sent me their contact info.

Just to eliminate possible confusion about this, if you ask for a Stiletto (or other model, soon to follow) short kit, it does NOT come with the full five plane plan set, it will come with a wing build plan, and some other info to allow you to build that model.

If you want the full five model plan set, it will cost an extra $15, maybe plus shipping.... Possibly the shipping could be combined with the short kit, I am not sure about this. To be determined by Walter when he boxes the kits.

Attached is the latest of what I have after getting info from a few of you.
Serious folks have an "X" on the column to the far right, and I have their contact and shipping info.
I'll keep an updated plan/kit purchase list on the last post I make to the thread here.

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« Last Edit: February 10, 2018, 07:56:20 PM by Target »
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2018, 09:17:03 PM »
What would be the length of the lines be for these 1/2 A's
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2018, 10:28:50 PM »
Guy-

I'm guessing the lines for these would be .008 x 40'-45', but hopefully someone like Doug Moon, Steve Moon or Roger V can chime in that has flown one of these models.
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Re: Little Legends - line lengths
« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2018, 10:47:36 AM »
Guy-

I'm guessing the lines for these would be .008 x 40'-45', but hopefully someone like Doug Moon, Steve Moon or Roger V can chime in that has flown one of these models.
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The LL postings are growing! Shouldn't this be moved to 1/2A Building?

Ideal setup depends on two major factors.
1. What are you using for power?.    I use Norvel .061's.
2.  What does it weigh , dry, ready to fly? My heaviest LL is 14.2 oz, but is uses a sheeted foam wing covered with Ultracote. I was not weight conscious when building same, too much adhesive on the sheeting, too much paint on remaining structure. :-(
      It flew well on 42'/.008 7 strand lines. I know a lighter build would make it even better. Longer lines are then possible.     

Misc. info.:
.008" lines are a b**ch and easily kinked or damaged.
Just "assembled" an ARF Baby Clown/will use Novel .049 or.061 as a test bed for playing around with fishing line and knots before I try them on any of my 1/2 planes. Have flown a friends Baby Clown  w/ a Norvel .061 and it is a screamer!!!
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2018, 07:29:16 PM »
A couple more changes.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2018, 03:25:14 PM »
Hi, Roger-

Not sure if we would get MORE or less interest in the 1/2A forum and out of the OPEN forum.

Me too on the Spyderwire lines. I hope to try them out.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2018, 03:55:28 PM »
I recall all five of us signed several sets of these plans for Steve Buso.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2018, 03:59:44 PM »
That's super cool, Les!

I have an offer for you------

If you'll build it, I'll buy it!

Let us send you a 1/2A Stiletto from Walter Umland.

You should do it!

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #75 on: February 12, 2018, 08:11:36 PM »
I recall all five of us signed several sets of these plans for Steve Buso.

Les,
You recall correctly.
I have a copy of one of Steve's originals.  :-)
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #76 on: February 12, 2018, 08:15:37 PM »
Hi, Roger-

Not sure if we would get MORE or less interest in the 1/2A forum and out of the OPEN forum.

Me too on the Spyderwire lines. I hope to try them out.
You first!!

Hi Chris,
Okay, will use the Baby Clown as the flying test bed. Also plan to do ground pull tests on lines and various knots.Will advise.
Anyone with fishing line and knot experience for 1/2A are welcome to provide info., pics.
Thx,
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #77 on: February 12, 2018, 09:42:06 PM »
Anyone with fishing line and knot experience for 1/2A are welcome to provide info., pics.
Thx,
Roger

This is my unscientific test of Spectra lines using the AMA specified double Uni knot.  Take the results as you will:

https://www.coxengineforum.com/t10145-my-unscientific-spectra-test#128315

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #78 on: February 13, 2018, 07:17:49 PM »
Orders are still trickling in.

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #79 on: February 13, 2018, 08:21:54 PM »


Thanks for the picture of the Gieseke Nobler Little Legend. Nice paint scheme.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #80 on: February 13, 2018, 09:42:07 PM »
Rick bollinger soon to be added.
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #81 on: February 13, 2018, 11:08:14 PM »

Anyone with fishing line and knot experience for 1/2A are welcome to provide info., pics.

Roger

      I sport fly Phil C's Lil Hacker 1/2A combat planes with 30# Spectra. There's no discernable difference compared to flying with .008 steel lines.

      I can get matching sets of lines by tying fishing rings on the ends. I've tried various knots to attach the rings but I've settled on tying the first ring with a square knot and backing it up with a surgeons knot. I'll finish it off by CAREFULLY burnishing the end with a flame. The first end is free. It's then attached to a fixture. The other end of the line is set out to the desired length and tied to a ring held in a fixture. It's secured again with a square knot and backed up with a surgeons knot.

      I fly sport, stunt and combat with Spectra using these rings and knots and haven't had any failures. Pull testing is the 'feels about right' method. The largest model flown with this setup is a throttled 56" biplane with with a 70 Surpass four stroke.

      Tying the rings with the square knots first gives you the accurate lengths. Using the surgeons knot only varies the length when drawn tight.


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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #82 on: February 13, 2018, 11:45:54 PM »
I didn't know you were Irish, Chris! People don't usually spell slew in Gallic... slue!
Chris...

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2018, 12:51:26 AM »
      Tying the rings with the square knots first gives you the accurate lengths. Using the surgeons knot only varies the length when drawn tight.

Ara

Ara,  what brand of rings do you use?

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2018, 09:02:53 AM »
Ara,  what brand of rings do you use?

        Mark

           Can't remember the cost. Under $10?

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Re: Little Legends - flying lines
« Reply #85 on: February 14, 2018, 10:31:33 AM »
        Mark

           Can't remember the cost. Under $10?

Ara and Mark,
   Many thanks for the line and knot info.
   The ring idea is neat. Rather than tying knot on line clip which fixes line length, use of the ring(s) allows  changing  various length clips for minor line length adjustments. :-)

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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #86 on: February 14, 2018, 12:46:19 PM »
I didn't know you were Irish, Chris! People don't usually spell slew in Gallic... slue!
Chris...

I either slewed, slued, or sloughed you, but whichever it was, it worked, 'cause you are on the list!!
LOL.

And the list is growing. Link to this thread will be sent out in "The Nag" here on the west coast Monday; should get a few more 1/2A/1cc enthusiasts to join in....
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Re: Little Legends
« Reply #87 on: February 14, 2018, 03:16:49 PM »
I'm glad. I saw the plans when they were first drawn when Buso came over to Windy's when I lived there and I liked the idea very much. I was flying 1/2A Speed with my children and hot new engines were available and thought it would be fun to build one but I don't remember if Buso sold them direct or what. I recall he wanted to kit them or feature it in an article but I must've missed it if it did happen.
I'm glad Moon gave us a picture to look at, they're very cool looking and it's nice to see a good, replica style finished model complete with iconic paint trim.
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