Author Topic: Line clip size? (Read 4093 times)

dave siegler · « **on:** February 19, 2012, 07:00:32 AM »

I am about to buy a lifetime supply clips in bulk.

And I can get a 100 of them for $32
http://www.seattlemarine.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=6174&idcategory=0

The #4 are rated at 80lbs. It seems to be that the #4 clips are OK for all the the largest applications. Are they big enough? Brodak sells the #4, #5 and #6.
I never fly anything over a 46 size.

http://www.roscoinc.com/mcrosco_scissor_snaps.html

John Fitzgerald · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2012, 07:48:38 AM »

I got some #4 and #5 from Lure Parts Online. The #4 I feel are too small to easily connect. The #5 in my opinion are just about perfect.

Larry Fernandez · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2012, 12:36:40 PM »

Derek Moran posted a slick how to a while back, on making line clips.
The cool thing about his tool is that you can make line clips of various lengths. I keep a bag of line clips that range from 1 to 1 1/2 inches in 1/16 increments.
All of my flying lines are measured and wrapped to exact same length, using a jig who's idea I stole from Scott Urabe. I can actually reverse my lines with no effect.
In my flight box I carry five sets of .018 of different lengths in one foot increments from 62 to 67 feet. The same goes with .015 and .012 lines which go from 58 to 62 feet. My handles (Fancher hardpoint) are set with very minimal overhang. Any adjustments that are needed, are made by changing line clip lengths at the handle. Once I have a handle dialed in for a plane, those line clips will stay on that handle and that handle stays with that plane.. Now here is the cool part, I normally fly my Crusader on 65 foot lines. If for any reason, I want to change line length. I can hook up the sixtythree footers and fly without any adjustments at all.
Do a search for Dereks line clip tool and give it a shot.
So many great ideas exchanged here

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

Dick Pacini · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2012, 01:39:23 PM »

A search for Dereks line clip tool brings up this thread.

Howard Rush · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2012, 03:10:22 PM »

You can make your own tool or get one from Lee Machine Shop: http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=6425.0 Ask for the Rush version, which gives clips in 1/32" increments.

Brian Massey · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2012, 09:15:15 AM »

Quote from: Howard Rush on February 19, 2012, 03:10:22 PM

You can make your own tool or get one from Lee Machine Shop: http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=6425.0 Ask for the Rush version, which gives clips in 1/32" increments.

Yea, I made my own too. I found Derek's aritcle in the May/June 2006 stunt news. Cool Tool

Brian

Bill Little · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2012, 02:39:03 PM »

I got a line clip tool from Jim, but I have no clue if it is the "RUSH" version...............

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

Brian Massey · « **Reply #7 on:** February 20, 2012, 03:37:15 PM »

Quote from: Bill Little on February 20, 2012, 02:39:03 PM

I got a line clip tool from Jim, but I have no clue if it is the "RUSH" version...............

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

"Rush" version = finer thread nut and bolt giving 1/32 inch adjustment, instead of 1/16 inch. I made the latter, and may make the former someday. Simple tool to make.

Brian

Bill Little · « **Reply #8 on:** February 20, 2012, 03:43:42 PM »

Quote from: Brian Massey on February 20, 2012, 03:37:15 PM

"Rush" version = finer thread nut and bolt giving 1/32 inch adjustment, instead of 1/16 inch. I made the latter, and may make the former someday. Simple tool to make.

Brian

Thanks, Brian. I knew the difference once Howard said it, but never knew there was an option. I guess I could measure the threads on mine, but why?

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

John Fitzgerald · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2012, 05:36:23 PM »

It's a 3/4" bolt. Fine thread is 16 threads per inch. Never heard of a 32 tpi in that size. Must be a custom threaded bolt and nut.

Brian Massey · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2012, 05:47:49 PM »

Quote from: John Fitzgerald on February 20, 2012, 05:36:23 PM

It's a 3/4" bolt. Fine thread is 16 threads per inch. Never heard of a 32 tpi in that size. Must be a custom threaded bolt and nut.

John; The bolt I used came out of my dad's shop after he died. He maintained his own airplane, and years ago was a lead foreman at Douglas Aircraft in the experimental division (he worked on the old X-3). Besides all that, he never threw anything away. Where that bolt actually ever came from is a mystery to me; it was just in "that box of stuff" I rumaged through.

But going back to Howard's "Rush" special; I just made an assumption that's what he meant. Someone can jump in here if I assumed wrong.

Brian

Bill Little · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2012, 06:28:19 PM »

Hi Brian,

Your assumption was correct. To be able to make 1/32nd" different clips the bolt would have to be 32 thread, or a means to only move the nut 1/2 turn.

Bill

Bill Little · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2012, 06:29:56 PM »

BTW: I use the home made clips on the hard point handle and the "Medium" Brodak clips on the plane end of the lines.

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2012, 07:31:11 PM »

Quote from: Bill Little on February 20, 2012, 06:28:19 PM

Hi Brian,

Your assumption was correct. To be able to make 1/32nd" different clips the bolt would have to be 32 thread, or a means to only move the nut 1/2 turn.

Bill

Put two pins (opposite) instead of one pin, and you can make the 1/32" steps while still using the 16tpi bolt.

Steve

Bill Little · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2012, 07:34:30 PM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on February 20, 2012, 07:31:11 PM

Put two pins (opposite) instead of one pin, and you can make the 1/32" steps while still using the 16tpi bolt. Steve

Yep, that was pretty much what I was referring to........................

Mongo

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2012, 07:52:44 PM »

Quote from: Bill Little on February 20, 2012, 07:34:30 PM

Yep, that was pretty much what I was referring to........................

Mongo

I thought maybe you intended to say, but did not, so I filled in the blanks for you!

OBTW, I seriously dislike the scissors type clips. They tend to do the "twist & lock"
more than any other type. A good way to lose a plane, screw up a flight, or soil your
undies...

Steve

Howard Rush · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2012, 08:39:50 PM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on February 20, 2012, 07:31:11 PM

Put two pins (opposite) instead of one pin, and you can make the 1/32" steps while still using the 16tpi bolt. Steve

That's the Rush version.

Dallas Hanna · « **Reply #17 on:** February 21, 2012, 01:25:14 AM »

Quote from: John Fitzgerald on February 20, 2012, 05:36:23 PM

It's a 3/4" bolt. Fine thread is 16 threads per inch. Never heard of a 32 tpi in that size. Must be a custom threaded bolt and nut.

Them there and you fellows designed them.

HH

Constant Pitch Series

Constant Pitch Series, The constant pitch series, UN, have 4, 6, 8, 12, 16, 20, 28, and 32 threads per inch. These are available for use when the Coarse, Fine, Extra-Fine Series do not meet the design requirements. Within these series, preference should be given to the 8, 12, and 16 thread series.

The 8 Thread Series, 8-UN is used for large diameters(greater than 1 inch) with a coarse thread. It was originally developed for use in high pressure joint bolts and nuts.

The 12 Thread Series, 12-UN is used for large diameters with a medium pitch thread. It was originally intended for use pressure vessels, such as boilers. It is currently used as a fine pitch series extension for diameters larger than 1½ inches.

The 16 Thread Series, 16-UN is used for large diameters with fine pitch threads. It is used for adjusting collars and retaining nuts and can be considered as an extension of the extra fine thread series for diameters larger than 111/16 inches.

The 4-UN, 6-UN, 20-UN, 28-UN and 32-UN Thread Series are used for those applications where the Standard Coarse, Fine or Extra Fine Series are not not a good choice.

Derek Moran · « **Reply #18 on:** February 21, 2012, 11:02:17 AM »

>Ask for the Rush version, which gives clips in 1/32" increments.

The best humor always has an element of truth.
Derek

dirty dan · « **Reply #19 on:** February 21, 2012, 11:48:27 AM »

Next time Howard and I go flying we'll have a blind test. I'll change one of his clips for another which is 1/32" shorter or longer, doing this while he is crossing the field to take a pee in the woods.

I'll be stunned if he notices the difference. In fact, I'll just go ahead and state flat-out he most definitely will not notice.

And in the unlikely event he does see a difference I hereby volunteer to make for Howard a tool which will produce line clips in increments of 1/64" just to keep him happy.

Dan

Derek Moran · « **Reply #20 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:53:52 AM »

We're talking about the guy whose combat fuel jug was labeled "10% More Nitro Than Yours."
1/16 increments are fine.
Derek

Rafael Gonzalez · « **Reply #21 on:** February 22, 2012, 04:45:04 PM »

Quote from: dirty dan on February 21, 2012, 11:48:27 AM

Next time Howard and I go flying we'll have a blind test. I'll change one of his clips for another which is 1/32" shorter or longer, doing this while he is crossing the field to take a pee in the woods.

I'll be stunned if he notices the difference. In fact, I'll just go ahead and state flat-out he most definitely will not notice.

And in the unlikely event he does see a difference I hereby volunteer to make for Howard a tool which will produce line clips in increments of 1/64" just to keep him happy.

Dan

Rafael Gonzalez · « **Reply #22 on:** February 22, 2012, 04:46:30 PM »

Quote from: Derek Moran on February 22, 2012, 08:53:52 AM

We're talking about the guy whose combat fuel jug was labeled "10% More Nitro Than Yours."
1/16 increments are fine.
Derek

He prob knows what his look like....