Author Topic: Level laps? How many (Read 2800 times)

Paul Taylor · « **on:** May 08, 2006, 04:22:31 PM »

How many level laps between each stunt in the basic pattern.
I see after take off you have 2 lvl laps. But I can not find anything after the wing over and insides loops.

Paul

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #1 on:** May 08, 2006, 04:56:21 PM »

Should fly two laps between each stunt, this gives the judges time to record the score. 6 laps after take off is kinda the norm, takeoff - two laps - judged two level laps - two laps......

frank carlisle · « **Reply #2 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:27:23 PM »

6 inverted laps after inside loops

Paul Taylor · « **Reply #3 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:46:08 PM »

This would be for the Basic pattern not Expert.
It is should only take me a few days to master the Expert pattern once I get the basic pattern down.

Not!

john e. holliday · « **Reply #4 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:57:02 PM »

Even in the basic pattern I think two laps should be sufficient for the judges. Bring it up at the pilots meeting before the next contest. DOC Holliday

Crist Rigotti · « **Reply #5 on:** May 08, 2006, 08:11:03 PM »

Quote from: Bob Reeves on May 08, 2006, 04:56:21 PM

Should fly two laps between each stunt, this gives the judges time to record the score. 6 laps after take off is kinda the norm, takeoff - two laps - judged two level laps - two laps......

Huh?
Bob,
What do you mean "takeoff - two laps - judged two level laps - two laps......"?

Takeoff and level flight is judged as one stunt and there are no 2 laps between them.

Takeoff= 1 lap...judged
Level flight= 2 laps...judged
2 laps between tricks= 2 laps...not judged
total = 5 laps
This works only if you takeoff "up" circle from the judges.

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #6 on:** May 08, 2006, 09:48:46 PM »

What Crist wrote.

Sparky must need a nap.

Waitaminute! We're not allowed to discuss rules here!

Steve

RC Storick · « **Reply #7 on:** May 08, 2006, 09:53:41 PM »

I'm sanding and buffing. However this was a question and as long as it stays civil I'll let it slide.

Paul Taylor · « **Reply #8 on:** May 09, 2006, 06:33:55 AM »

I am not asking to change any rules or weather if it needs to be changed.
I just want to know what the current rule is for laps between each stunt of the basic patteren.

Would this be correct for the Beginner patteren?

Take off
2 level laps
Wing over
1 lap
3 insides
1 lap
3 outsides
Recover to normal level flight for 1 lap
2 square loops
1 lap
2 Horizontal 8's
1 lap
2 Overhead 8's
x laps
Landing

This assumes I do no figure 9's.

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #9 on:** May 09, 2006, 07:01:40 AM »

Crist, you are right, should know better than to post before I've had at least two cups of coffee. My brain was thinking right but my fingers were thinking inverted. Studying the Mirror pattern has got me all screwed up

The right answer for the beginner pattern is to ask the CD at the pilots meeting as has already been said. Typically you will get the two lap answer so might as well put them in on your practice flights. This will also get you ready for when you move to intermediate.

Paul Taylor · « **Reply #10 on:** May 09, 2006, 07:07:19 AM »

Thanks Bob.
I think this is what I was looking for.

For that I hit your K.

Crist Rigotti · « **Reply #11 on:** May 09, 2006, 11:11:56 AM »

Hey, no problem Bob. I figured it was something like that. Nice pic of the Skylark elsewhere.

The beginner pattern needs to have 2 laps between stunts, not 1 like you've listed Rootbeard.

Take off (1 lap) & 2 level laps
2 laps
Wing over
2 laps
3 insides
2 laps
3 outsides (Can be entered from the 45 degree level in an upright position)
Recover to normal level flight for 2 laps
2 square loops
2 laps
2 Horizontal 8's
2 laps
2 Overhead 8's
x laps
Landing

Paul Taylor · « **Reply #12 on:** May 09, 2006, 11:16:21 AM »

2!!! Wow I hope I have enough tank...

captcurt · « **Reply #13 on:** May 09, 2006, 11:55:03 AM »

Having Judged Bwginner PA at the Nats, I would suggest that you fly the same way you will need to when you move up--why relearn parts if you dont need to.

Take off and then pass the judges at LEAST 5 times before doing the wingover. I usually pull up on what would be the 6th pass.

Like Crist said: The takeoff requires one lap, then level flight the next two. That completes the manuever. Then the rules REQUIRE at LEAST 2 laps between manuevers. So that is FIVE at LEAST prior to the wingover.

There is no difference noted for the Beginner pattern in this regard. To do so would be unusual. Doing less than the required 2 laps between tricks will result in a deduction of pattern points. 25 points is a big hit so do at least two.

It can be more with no problem. If a suden gust of wind comes along, or your hand is shaking, etc. Take a deep breath, and add a couple extras.

The time limit observed in most beginner events is 6 minutes. This will get you thinking about fuel management. The actual pattern should take no more than about 3.5-4 minutes or less. Pay attention to how much fuel it takes (time every flight, and measure every tank full) especially note that if you start flying in the morning when it is cool, you will more than likely lean the engine as the day heats up and thereby use less fuel. THis leads to over runs in many contests. Don't be a victim! Pay attention! Write stuff down in a logbook!

Anyway, have a blast!

See ya in Muncie!

Curt

Paul Taylor · « **Reply #14 on:** May 09, 2006, 12:04:32 PM »

Curt,
Good info....
I am a old dawg and I don't want to relearn something.
So 6 laps with 2 between.

Write it down...... watch the fuel..... Got it.

I wish I was going to the NAT's this year.

Paul

Tom Perry · « **Reply #15 on:** May 09, 2006, 01:43:44 PM »

Paul,

Doing 5 or 6 laps after takeoff also gives you time for your engine to warm up before manuvering. You can still call off the flight before the wingover and take another official if the moter is really running crappy.

captcurt · « **Reply #16 on:** May 09, 2006, 04:30:16 PM »

Yes it does!!

And it gives me a chance to get my heartrate and breathing under control!!

Curt

Bill Little · « **Reply #17 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:48:46 AM »

Yes, unless something has recently changed, there are 5 mandatory laps before you pull up into the wing over. The take off lap and two level laps are the first manuever, then 2 "judge's laps" for a total of 5. I make it a point to do my pull up when I hit the judges the sixth time that assures me I have done the required 5.

2 laps after each subsequent manuever.

The 6 laps inverted comes from the first 2 being "judge's laps" for the outside loops, the next 2 the "inverted flight" laps, the last 2 the "judge's laps" for inverted flight.

In the full pattern, you will do 2 1/2 laps before entering the overhead 8s. The Hourglass ends downwind, and the overheads entry begins with a pull up "upwind".

I can't remember if the Beginner pattern requires inverted flight??

But there is no pentalty for flying OVER 2 laps between manuevers as long as you are "stopped" before time runs out!

L0U CRANE · « **Reply #18 on:** May 12, 2006, 01:51:22 AM »

Bill,

...what you said, plus...

I don't think anyone in this one mentioned where to count a complete lap.

Most of us launch from about across the circle from the judges, no? First lap is complete when the model comes over the launch point.

Same for the 'scoring laps' after the TO and Level Flight 3 laps. 5th lap is complete over the launch point, so pass the judges once more before starting the Wing Over or Reverse Wing Over. Wing Overs start in front of the judges, more or less. Starting any earlier means a half lap before completing the two 'scoring laps.'

Trostle · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2006, 09:02:57 PM »

A lot of messages here and I think for the most part, everybody has it about right, but it is beginning to sound more complicated that it really is. On the matter regarding level laps for the "Takeoff and level flight" for the beginner pattern, the rule book in this case is quite clear.

For the Beginner pattern, the "Takeoff and level flight" maneuver is "the same as listed in the Maneuver section fo the CL Precision Aerobatics event".

The " Takeoff" in the CL Precision Aeorbatics event is clearly defined in the rulebook. The proper takeoff is when the model rolls on the ground for at least 14.8 feet but less than one-quarter lap, then rises smoothly into the air with a gradual climb and a smooth leveloff to normal flight level over the point where the model commenced its ground roll. The model is then judged for two more laps of "normal level flight" to the point of original takeoff.

Then, there must be two laps between the takeoff maneuver which was just described above as three laps from the takeoff point. So, the model must pass over the point where it started its takoff roll five times before the wingover begins. Another rule of thumb to use is that this really works out the same as the model must pass in front of the judges five times before the wingover is started.

Now, you can have the situation where the takeoff roll "nominally" begins right in front of the judges so the fifth lap is completed right in front of the judges and the wingover could start at that point.

Not doing the two "nominal" laps between the takeoff/level flight maneuver and the wing over would be cause to loose pattern points.

Also, keep in mind that the rulebook clearly defines "normal level flight" as an altitude between 3.9 and 5.9 feet. This altitude is specifed for the level laps of the takeoff and for certain portions of other maneuvers. "Normal level flight" altitude is a very specific specification for certain elements of the pattern. It is different than the term "level flight" which is used to define the flight path between maneuvers which is not judged.