Legacy

stephen hollier · October 18, 2010, 08:49:30 AM

Won / traded for a Legacy kit (thanks Nick) at the Baton Rouge contest. Does anyone have any tips on building this plane. I have always wanted a larger stunt ship and now I have it. Power I was planing on using a RO Jett .76 on pipe.

Gary Anderson · October 18, 2010, 11:10:12 AM

Hi Stephen,

If you look in search you will find several articles about the legacy. The only change I noticed has about the landing gear and the lead outs. The plane is a great plane and most love it so if ya get a chance read all the articles and let us know how the building is going. You will see there is a lot of different type engines being used and they all seem to be working and your choice is one of them. Please post some pictures as you build, always like seeing progress of the toys, Gary

Wynn Robins · October 18, 2010, 12:02:21 PM

the kit landing gear is not bent correctly - it is too short - apparantly it is bent off the front view of the gear that is hown on the plans and does not account for the forward rake......
other than that - the kits are very nice and the legacy is a great flying plane - I have an electric version. the 76 sounds like a beast ....you will have a LOT of power.... I have flown legacies that have LA46s in them and they even fly well

James Mills · October 18, 2010, 05:04:51 PM

Quote from: stephen hollier on October 18, 2010, 08:49:30 AM
Won / traded for a Legacy kit (thanks Nick) at the Baton Rouge contest. Does anyone have any tips on building this plane. I have always wanted a larger stunt ship and now I have it. Power I was planing on using a RO Jett .76 on pipe.

Stephen,

If you have any questions as you go contact Allen Brickhaus, it's his design and he's always happy to help. I've got one going together as we speak.

By the way, I'll be going with a PA 61/pipe.

James

Clint Ormosen · October 18, 2010, 07:00:50 PM

I'm getting started on one too. Looks like it's going to be a Legacy Winter for us. PA 65RE for mine.

stephen hollier · October 18, 2010, 07:21:02 PM

Clint / James thanks for the information. Please keep me posted on the construction. I live in Houston and Richard Oliver is very close to me and I have had great results with his motors and I figure a little extra power won't hurt. PA's are good as well but they are becoming hard to find and will be even harder in the future. Thanks again

wwwarbird · October 18, 2010, 08:02:06 PM

The Saito .56 works extremely well in the Legacy too. They're also easy to find and affordable.

stephen hollier · October 19, 2010, 08:57:07 AM

I was looking in Control line world and noticed Brodak's engine the Aviastar .61 has anyone tried this engine??

Brad Smith · October 19, 2010, 09:01:39 AM

I have a ST51 in mine and works great.

Allen Brickhaus · October 19, 2010, 09:03:53 AM

I believe you guys will enjoy the Legacy. The comments are correct on the landing gear. I lent a longer set to Dennis Vander Kurr at the SIG contest and it worked well for him. He went home and bent up a new and correct length gear and is totally happy with the model.

petermick · October 19, 2010, 09:41:44 AM

I built my Legacy in 2004 and have been running an older ST 60. I too have had trouble with the landing gear. I became so frustrated with it noseing over on grass when landing I changed to a fuselage mounted gear. This solved my problem.

Pete

Wynn Robins · October 19, 2010, 01:29:31 PM

Quote from: stephen hollier on October 19, 2010, 08:57:07 AM
I was looking in Control line world and noticed Brodak's engine the Aviastar .61 has anyone tried this engine??

the Aviastar is HEAVY and the 61 is a pig to get to run right - the 53? is a better motor for stunt - BUT you still need to modify the head

Allen Brickhaus · October 20, 2010, 06:00:38 AM

One Legacy has a Saito .56 and the front engine holes were fitted to the stock back motor mount holes in the model. The nose was then shortened and fitted to the Saito.

Allen

Bob Reeves · October 20, 2010, 05:08:38 PM

Quote from: petermick on October 19, 2010, 09:41:44 AM
I built my Legacy in 2004 and have been running an older ST 60. I too have had trouble with the landing gear. I became so frustrated with it noseing over on grass when landing I changed to a fuselage mounted gear. This solved my problem.

Pete

I just added a nose wheel (among a few other mods)

wwwarbird · October 21, 2010, 10:35:28 PM

Quote from: Allen Brickhaus on October 20, 2010, 06:00:38 AM
One Legacy has a Saito .56 and the front engine holes were fitted to the stock back motor mount holes in the model. The nose was then shortened and fitted to the Saito.

Allen

That sounds like Keith's plane Allen. The engine move was made only to allow for balance using the slightly heavier four-stroke. It was a super solid, dead consistent combo for hundreds of flights until a handle malfunction killed it pulling out of a square last season. I watched and pitted that plane a lot, hard to imagine a better plane/engine combo. He's got another in the works.

Allan Perret · October 22, 2010, 05:39:45 AM

Quote from: stephen hollier on October 19, 2010, 08:57:07 AM
I was looking in Control line world and noticed Brodak's engine the Aviastar .61 has anyone tried this engine??

John Violette was running the Avistar 61 in his T-Rex at Baton Rouge for PA. He and I pitted/launched for each other. I talked with him about the Avistar, it was stock. I watched it close, it had a nice run. In that price range I would also look at the new Enya 61 side exhaust. I think its about an ounce lighter.

FLOYD CARTER · October 23, 2010, 10:15:22 AM

I have two LEGACY models. One built from a Brodak kit, and the other scratch-built. Neither have that ugly rudder. So my recommendation for building the kit: draw an elegant rudder shape!

(other mods are not as necessary, but you might try some different wing tips. Or build up a turtledeck instead of sticking a bubble canopy on top of things.)

Floyd

Andrew Tinsley · October 23, 2010, 12:43:22 PM

Hello Stephen,
I am confused, why are PA engines difficult to get hold of? Has Randy Smith stopped production?

Regards,

Andrew.

Dick Pacini · October 23, 2010, 05:47:07 PM

Quote from: FLOYD CARTER on October 23, 2010, 10:15:22 AM
I have two LEGACY models. One built from a Brodak kit, and the other scratch-built. Neither have that ugly rudder. So my recommendation for building the kit: draw an elegant rudder shape!

(other mods are not as necessary, but you might try some different wing tips. Or build up a turtledeck instead of sticking a bubble canopy on top of things.)

Floyd

Well, everyone is entitled to his opinion, but I think it is a bit uncalled for to openly criticize an airplane when the designer is alive and kicking and even posting in this thread. Of course, change the rudder if you wish and maybe even say that you didn't care for the original, but to call it ugly is a bit strong and uncalled for. Allen designed a fine airplane that many people have built as it was drawn or kitted.

Terry Bolin · October 23, 2010, 09:47:02 PM

Hard to argue with success, walk the nats at the "L" pad and that will be one of the most common planes there.. A real killer plane when built right....Great Job Allen!
Of all the planes he has had kitted and published......Legacy may be the best!

Bob Reeves · October 24, 2010, 04:59:30 AM

Quote from: Ty Marcucci on October 23, 2010, 06:09:23 PM
As I understand it, the maker of his parts has retired and refuses to sell his molds, etc to anyone overseas.

Maybe Fox should make him an offer

Bob Reeves · October 24, 2010, 05:03:04 AM

Quote from: Terry Bolin on October 23, 2010, 09:47:02 PM
Hard to argue with success, walk the nats at the "L" pad and that will be one of the most common planes there.. A real killer plane when built right....Great Job Allen!
Of all the planes he has had kitted and published......Legacy may be the best!

Considering the Legacy is a modified Genisis it has a thoroughbred family tree.

Allen Brickhaus · October 25, 2010, 06:58:40 AM

That claim has always been mentioned by me and Bob Hunt has always given me the lead to use what I feel is successful. I try very hard to credit those with whom I borrow ideas. I respect my fellow modelers and cannot be successful without the efforts accomplished by so many before me. His Prowler design was the focus of the Scepter 500 project. The full sized Scepter was of course, a Genesis line model. The line runs through all the Buccaneer's (9), The full-bodied Scepter, The Mr. Brickhaus' OPUS as published in Aviation Modeler International, and the Legacy 60 and now upcoming Legacy 40 from Brodak. The Envoy Series was more on the lines of Ted Fancher's ideas. Although Envoy 5 was a Genesis variant. Envoy VI has now a PA 65 and is ready for the 2011 season.

Thanks to all for your help.

Allen Brickhaus

wwwarbird · October 25, 2010, 10:02:43 AM

Quote from: Dick Pacini on October 23, 2010, 05:47:07 PM
Well, everyone is entitled to his opinion, but I think it is a bit uncalled for to openly criticize an airplane when the designer is alive and kicking and even posting in this thread. Of course, change the rudder if you wish and maybe even say that you didn't care for the original, but to call it ugly is a bit strong and uncalled for. Allen designed a fine airplane that many people have built as it was drawn or kitted.

Right on Dick.

I've always really liked the lines of the Legacy, a perfect blend between a Classic and Modern look to my eyes. I even sort of copied the rudder outline on my little Shark 402, only because I didn't (personally) care for it's original outline.

Allen Brickhaus · October 25, 2010, 10:35:03 AM

Nice presentation Wayne. Do you know as yet when Polk City will happen in May of 2011?

Allen Brickhaus

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