Legacy California *just in case*

[Clint Ormosen]

Seeing how there is now an ARF Legacy available, I thought I'd post a pic of the Legacy I'm building lest there be confusion later on. I'm changing a few thing on the plane, hence the "California" designation. The wing is obviously completely sheeted. The stab tapers a little more than stock to get rid if the "boxey" look. I might change a few other minor items, but I still want it to be identified as a Legacy. First engine in will be a RO Jett 61 with a PA65 RE ready to back it up.

[wwwarbird]

 Just wondering, why did you sheet the whole wing?

[Clint Ormosen]

Just wondering, why did you sheet the whole wing?

'Cause I wanted to...

Easier to finish, less likely to warp or flex, hard to put a hole in it, that's about it.

[John Stiles]

'Cause I wanted to...

Easier to finish, less likely to warp or flex, hard to put a hole in it, that's about it.

I like it....did a P-51 like that once....it was one of the early foam winged kits. Planted it so hard in the turf that the K&B .40 was nearly buried completely. The fuse was nothing but splinters, but the wing was pristine.  Lookin good!

[Randy Ryan]

'Cause I wanted to...

Easier to finish, less likely to warp or flex, hard to put a hole in it, that's about it.

Perfect answer Clint, same I'll give for my next "big" build

[wwwarbird]

 That's what I thought, just curious.

[Jerry Leuty]

    I guess I am somewhat puzzled as to why there is so much controversy about the BOM that now we feel the need to document a build. I too have a Legacy kit and it will be powered by a new Avastar .46 Presently I am building a 11% smaller version for a FP .40  I had and extra foam wing for a S/Chipmunk and it is exactly the same wing with the exception of being 5 inches shorter. If I state that I built, rebuilt, or personalized, my contest plane to a judge then I had better get a score. We had several folks from my area attend VSC this past month. All had great appearance planes. None got a score above an 8. Can you imagine that. They normally score a 16 or so anywhere else. When there is that kind of prejudice one can hardly expect to score well with the judge's pencil. A plane has to look pretty bad before I ever score one lower than a 10. They get that just for showing up. But honestly not often will you see a contestant come to fly in any stunt contest with a shabby looking airplane. Appearance points have never given me a win. Come to think of it I have not won anything since I moved up to Intermediate. Hmmmmmmmmmm, I wonder if I need some couching?

[Garf]

I have showed up with some REALLY ugly planes just to "compete". Sometimes simply because that was all I had that qualified for an event. I just did this at the Golden Oldies contest.

[Jerry Leuty]

And your static score was??   This whole BOM ruling has me puzzled as to why we tend to judge a pilot as a modeler in general and not just on their flying skills alone. As a modeler that builds from scratch and some kits I certainly appreciate a great looking airplane. Then to watch the pilot put it through it's paces is sheer pleasure. At the end of their flight I am impressed with their flying skills not their entire modeling abilities. I remember in trade school there were men who could score well with their pen but could not do the labs at all. When it came to hands on they were unsure of themselves. So you get a person who is quite the craftsman but can't fly a square loop from a round one. In judging stunt planes, particularly in the Expert class, I have to ask myself; Are all these Expert pilots expert builders, finishers as well?

[Randy Ryan]

And your static score was??   This whole BOM ruling has me puzzled as to why we tend to judge a pilot as a modeler in general and not just on their flying skills alone. As a modeler that builds from scratch and some kits I certainly appreciate a great looking airplane. Then to watch the pilot put it through it's paces is sheer pleasure. At the end of their flight I am impressed with their flying skills not their entire modeling abilities. I remember in trade school there were men who could score well with their pen but could not do the labs at all. When it came to hands on they were unsure of themselves. So you get a person who is quite the craftsman but can't fly a square loop from a round one. In judging stunt planes, particularly in the Expert class, I have to ask myself; Are all these Expert pilots expert builders, finishers as well?

Jerry, without belaboring this, your question has been answered hundreds if not thousands of times here and on other forums. Stunt was intended as a builder/flyer event, not merely a flying event. Many still hold to that concept. I do not wish to hijack this thread, so please, you can search any of the many BOM threads from over the years and find this information.

[Bill Morell]

Thankyou Randy!

[Balsa Butcher]

Thank you Randy times two. And yes, in my experience the vast majority of Expert fliers ARE also expert builders and finishers, or aspire to be. It is the foundation this event is based upon. OBTW: Nice job Clint!

[Mike Scholtes]

Clint, I hope you don't think you are fooling anyone with those photos obviously taken in an ARF factory in China. I am training Susie the Stunt Brittany to sniff out Chinese hot glue, so watch out at Woodland!

By the way, the REAL Legacy ARF flies great, at least as an E-powered model.  I am using my ARF Legacy to train Susie.

Do you hope/plan to have the "Legacy" ready for this season? First event is only a month off.

[proparc]

Clint, I hope you don't think you are fooling anyone with those photos obviously taken in an ARF factory in China. I am training Susie the Stunt Brittany to sniff out Chinese hot glue, so watch out at Woodland!

He didn't fool me for one minute either. He thought that by cropping out the bowls of rice, we thought it was going down in his shop. I DON'T THINK SO!!!

By the way, why did you sheet the whole wing.

[Clint Ormosen]

    I guess I am somewhat puzzled as to why there is so much controversy about the BOM that now we feel the need to document a build.

It's more or less a joke. I don't really feel the need to document my builds. Everyone that I fly with know durn-good-and-well how I personally feel about flying an ARF. Not bashing anyone that likes them, they're just not for me.

And don't feel too bad about the low appearance points at VSC this year. Everybodys score was down. it's just how the judges saw it, I guess.

Clint, I hope you don't think you are fooling anyone with those photos obviously taken in an ARF factory in China. I am training Susie the Stunt Brittany to sniff out Chinese hot glue, so watch out at Woodland!

By the way, the REAL Legacy ARF flies great, at least as an E-powered model.  I am using my ARF Legacy to train Susie.

Do you hope/plan to have the "Legacy" ready for this season? First event is only a month off.

HA! I dug out all the china glue, so the jokes on the dog!

Seriously, I'm trying to get it in the air this year, but I won't have it in time for the first, or maybe even the second contest this year.

[Clint Ormosen]

That's what I thought, just curious.

No problem, Wayne. I wish I had a better answer for you, but I don't. I just wanted to try a completely sheeted built-up wing to see how it went.

[john e. holliday]

What can I say other than what I told you at VSC.   I didn't even pick up my score sheets except for Old Time.  Also most of us know that you are one terrific builder/finisher.   If you don't have a great build it will show up in the finish.  Don't ask me how I know.

[Clint Ormosen]

Also most of us know that you are one terrific builder/finisher.   

  Thanks Doc.

[wwwarbird]

No problem, Wayne. I wish I had a better answer for you, but I don't. I just wanted to try a completely sheeted built-up wing to see how it went.

 No better answer required Clint, that's a perfect reason.

 Happy Building!