Laying Out the Lines......

[Shug Emery]

This is a Work in Progress
I am working on this video to show folks how we control line flyers lay out our lines and fly tethered to our airplanes. Unlike R/C  we are connected and and always seeing our planes fairly close.So many people just don't get the difference between CL and R/C and I'm trying to compile video clips to make a short video DVD our club can pass out to owners of managers of a potential flying sites as we lose out flying field end of April.

Filmed this with the camera on my chest trying to see what my arm and hand are doing on the handle. Did notice I an using less thumb on top and as time goes by and I fly more and more I am curious to see what changes.

Flying the Prowler.
Thankee.
Shug

[Allan Perret]

Great video.  Should have made mention of line size and length, and how we pull test for safety.

[Shug Emery]

Great video.  Should have made mention of line size and length, and how we pull test for safety.

Well these clips are just the first in compiling clips for a DVD for our club. I just put this out for a little bit of interest.
The pull test will be good to add in later perhaps.
More work to do explaining it but I think that the people who will grant us rights to a field don't have as much interest in our line diameter and stuff… More just seeing how we control airplanes. Thank you for watching it and all.
 

[wwwarbird]

 Nice job Sean, thanks for stepping up to the plate with our current dilemma. Give it a little fine tuning and add a few details and yes, this may be a great tool in our quest for a new site.

 And yeah, it sure would be nice if SIG would reintroduce the Primary Force, it was the best ARF out there.

[Steve Agrella]

As a beginner or old timer returning to the hobby I love to see videos like this, however I would like to see it broken down into the more basic moves over and over as a training video for newbies, wing over, lazy 8, inside and outside loops and going inverted, slow mo would also be cool.

Thanks for making this video, I'm struggling and need all the help I can get.

[Shug Emery]

Nice job Sean, thanks for stepping up to the plate with our current dilemma. Give it a little fine tuning and add a few details and yes, this may be a great tool in our quest for a new site.

 And yeah, it sure would be nice if SIG would reintroduce the Primary Force, it was the best ARF out there.

Need a day with more club members present to shhot some more footage and get some sound bites.
Yes on the Primary force for sure.
Shug

As a beginner or old timer returning to the hobby I love to see videos like this, however I would like to see it broken down into the more basic moves over and over as a training video for newbies, wing over, lazy 8, inside and outside loops and going inverted, slow mo would also be cool.

Thanks for making this video, I'm struggling and need all the help I can get.

Hey Steve....I wasn't viewing this as a training video but that is a real good idea. May have to work on that one....with top flyers explaining maneuvers.
Going inverted is easier to learn coming out of lazy 8s.
Thankee.
Shug

[Tim Wescott]

This is a Work in Progress

As another neat Shug video, it's cool.

As an educational video to show to prospective field landlords, I think it's both incomplete and too long.  I see about a minute of footage that you could work in, and not, in my humble opinion, anything for an opening shot.

If your goal is really to show people "this is what it means to you to host our club", I think you need to start with some sort of a summary shot -- I want to give you a number of suggestions, but I keep coming back to showing an overhead shot of someone flying.  Getting a quadcopter pilot interested in the overhead shot is an idea, but I almost think that an animation would be better -- a shot of a real plane would give you a hard to see, fast moving dot, where with an animation you could show a larger than real plane, a heavy black line for the "lines", etc.  Someone on Stunthanger has an animated GIF for their avatar that would be nearly perfect, except it doesn't show a full lap.

I'd follow that with the scene of you hooking up the lines and then cut to your handle, but with a voice-over (and maybe a caption) explaining that "control line" means that the airplane is always tethered.  Then maybe go from there about stunt, sport, etc.  Like a newspaper article, I think you want to put a summary of of the whole video into the first 15 seconds ("Control line is fun, safe, educational, and it'll make the plants grow!"), then go on to present things most-important first, so that if the viewer clicks off in the middle you've still managed to transmit something useful.

I don't want to tear you down or discourage you -- just to encourage you to put yourself into the head of someone who's never seen CL and probably has RC-based misconceptions about it.

[Shug Emery]

As another neat Shug video, it's cool.

As an educational video to show to prospective field landlords, I think it's both incomplete and too long.  I see about a minute of footage that you could work in, and not, in my humble opinion, anything for an opening shot.

If your goal is really to show people "this is what it means to you to host our club", I think you need to start with some sort of a summary shot -- I want to give you a number of suggestions, but I keep coming back to showing an overhead shot of someone flying.  Getting a quadcopter pilot interested in the overhead shot is an idea, but I almost think that an animation would be better -- a shot of a real plane would give you a hard to see, fast moving dot, where with an animation you could show a larger than real plane, a heavy black line for the "lines", etc.  Someone on Stunthanger has an animated GIF for their avatar that would be nearly perfect, except it doesn't show a full lap.

I'd follow that with the scene of you hooking up the lines and then cut to your handle, but with a voice-over (and maybe a caption) explaining that "control line" means that the airplane is always tethered.  Then maybe go from there about stunt, sport, etc.  Like a newspaper article, I think you want to put a summary of of the whole video into the first 15 seconds ("Control line is fun, safe, educational, and it'll make the plants grow!"), then go on to present things most-important first, so that if the viewer clicks off in the middle you've still managed to transmit something useful.

I don't want to tear you down or discourage you -- just to encourage you to put yourself into the head of someone who's never seen CL and probably has RC-based misconceptions about it.

Yessir....I really want to shoot more footage with club members in it. More sound bites from those members with more knowledge and showing a pilot doing a wingover and describing that this is as high as our planes go. The video would not be over 3 minutes long.
This was just a work comp to give me ideas and added the footage of me flying the Prowler mainly as interest for CL flyers on here and my YouTube subscribers who will watch this stuff.
As I stated...a work in progress. Would only use the line lay out part and handle shot and maybe a few seconds of the chest-cam. Mainly to show that we are tethered and not RC pilots.
Animation idea is interesting though I have never fooled around with that.
Don't worry....your not tearing me down or discouraging me. I would never put anything out if that was a problem for me. Takes a lot to get me stop me!
Thankee.
Shug

[Tim Wescott]

I have an animation of a vehicle doing the pattern, but since it's generated from software that I appropriated from a customer project, the vehicle in question is a sorta-generic subcompact car.  (It looks kind of like a Robin Reliant).

Anyone here facile with Blender?  http://www.blender.org

[john e. holliday]

This great for a person that wants to fly stunt.   I thought you had a beginners video showing what is needed for control line.   Basic plane, reliable engine and associated hardware.   As bad as the Cox  planes were they had a package to get started if only they would have said try to get help.   For obtaining flying sites the video should show some of the other CL interest.   For a beginner, taking off,  flying level and landing is primary until they get over the dizzies.   Remember those.   I have flown CL since the mid 50's and didn't really take up stunt until the 70's.   But, I like what you are trying to do. 

[Bob Cheney]

Hey Shug once again a great video which helps to show the non-informed what control line is vs radio controlled. As for the Sig Primary Force it does need to come back. I built a Mike Pratt short kit flies great but since I'm slow builder the ARF would be great to have for us beginners. Learning the full stunt pattern without the time it takes to build from scratch (many builds and rebuilds). We need a good entry level stunt ship with the great flying ability's of this ARF.

[Shug Emery]

This great for a person that wants to fly stunt.   I thought you had a beginners video showing what is needed for control line.   Basic plane, reliable engine and associated hardware.   As bad as the Cox  planes were they had a package to get started if only they would have said try to get help.   For obtaining flying sites the video should show some of the other CL interest.   For a beginner, taking off,  flying level and landing is primary until they get over the dizzies.   Remember those.   I have flown CL since the mid 50's and didn't really take up stunt until the 70's.   But, I like what you are trying to do. 

This video will be more about showing what our club does...fly Control Line as opposed to RC. They just hear model planes and assume. Not trying to show them all about it...just mainly that we are connested to lines so we only need so much space to fly our sport.
Shug

[Tim Wescott]

This video will be more about showing what our club does...fly Control Line as opposed to RC. They just hear model planes and assume. Not trying to show them all about it...just mainly that we are connested to lines so we only need so much space to fly our sport.
Shug

Yup.  You're not trying to recruit new pilots with this particular one -- you're trying to get permission to use a parcel of land.

[Steve Agrella]

If someone created a how to stunt video I would buy it, a video showing the whole pattern broken down into segments, what a great tool that would be for newbies. Hint ,hint.

[Shug Emery]

Hey Shug once again a great video which helps to show the non-informed what control line is vs radio controlled. As for the Sig Primary Force it does need to come back. I built a Mike Pratt short kit flies great but since I'm slow builder the ARF would be great to have for us beginners. Learning the full stunt pattern without the time it takes to build from scratch (many builds and rebuilds). We need a good entry level stunt ship with the great flying ability's of this ARF.

Bob! You posted)))))
Getting ideas for a club video to help get a flying site but need some of ya'll for some footage. The stuff I shot of us the other day was not all that good. Need a few of us all saying in unison..."We are the Piston Poppers and we are looking for a place to fly...and get out of the house" 

I concur on the ARF.
Shug

Yup.  You're not trying to recruit new pilots with this particular one -- you're trying to get permission to use a parcel of land.

Roger that...
Shug

If someone created a how to stunt video I would buy it, a video showing the whole pattern broken down into segments, what a great tool that would be for newbies. Hint ,hint.

That is a real good idea......I'll round up some top pilots to help with it.
Shugh