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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Paul Taylor on November 23, 2023, 01:12:58 PM
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I know the AMA treats CL like redheaded stepchildren but anyone remember the last time a CL model was on the cover of MA?
I was just on the website browsing back issues and went back looking….on page 7 and still nothing. 😖
I only do the e-version so I don’t have anything to use for paint masking. 🤣
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ALL magazines and newspapers are driven by who buys the ads.
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I'll ask this question.....
Have you sent them any photos that they MAY use as a cover shot of a general interest CL? I'm certain they have "specifications" required for same.
OR is it simply easier to sit back an "wonder"?
I know the AMA treats CL like redheaded stepchildren but anyone remember the last time a CL model was on the cover of MA?
I was just on the website browsing back issues and when back looking….on page 7 and still nothing. 😖
I only do the e-version so I don’t have anything to use for paint masking. 🤣
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I have sent photos - good high resolution photos with details.
NEVER even a response.
I have no use for that rag - it's all about the money I guess.
Years ago, I tried to donate a huge collection of very unique C/L models.
Wrote them a letter.
Called them
Sent an e-mail
Not so much as a return call, letter, nothing. NO RESPONSE AT ALL.
They could have at least turned down the offer and thanked me but no.
Bob Z.
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ALL magazines and newspapers are driven by who buys the ads.
y1
Not meaning to sound like sour grapes here, but I view AMA much like a trade association ... not too sure many in administration could start or set an engine. And I really don't mind the covers, "it's what's inside that counts." And I do find some great ideas and technology at times. Your own mileage may vary, as we often say.
Dennis
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I have sent photos - good high resolution photos with details.
NEVER even a response.
I have no use for that rag - it's all about the money I guess.
Years ago, I tried to donate a huge collection of very unique C/L models.
Wrote them a letter.
Called them
Sent an e-mail
Not so much as a return call, letter, nothing. NO RESPONSE AT ALL.
They could have at least turned down the offer and thanked me but no.
Bob Z.
ALL "non profit" organizations are required to have monthly publications. I am a member of several. ALL of their content is driven by ad revenue.
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Sept 2018 on the cover was Will Davis and XoeyMausteller
was 5 years old my grandaugther flying a ring rat
at Brodak Fun Fly
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I'll ask this question.....
Have you sent them any photos that they MAY use as a cover shot of a general interest CL? I'm certain they have "specifications" required for same.
OR is it simply easier to sit back an "wonder"?
I am not a national flyer or world champ so not sure I qualify to provide a top level stunt plane or have designed any models worthy of making the front cover.
I have in the past submitted several articles to CLW, nothing major.
And I’m not wondering anything, just stating the facts.
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Hmmm... I read it as not a complaint, more of a whine?
I am not a national flyer or world champ so not sure I qualify to provide a top level stunt plane or have designed any models worthy of making the front cover.
I have in the past submitted several articles to CLW, nothing major.
And I’m not wondering anything, just stating the facts.
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Might have been Samantha Hines with the stripey Banshee
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Hmmm... I read it as not a complaint, more of a whine?
Again just making an observation but if you want to turn this into a personal attack on me and be a troll then go for it.
Some people brighten up a room when they leave.
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I'm calling you on this one, Paul. I was the Editor of Model Aviation for seven years, and the Editor Emeritus for a couple more after I retired. I can tell you this much, not once did I ever even hear from the ad department about what content to run or not run on the cover. And I ran a few CL models on the cover while I was there. I laugh inside when I hear people talking or writing with some perceived knowledge about what happens at a magazine or a professional newsletter when they have never been involved with such a publication.
For what it's worth, I never heard anything about what to run on the cover or as articles in the magazine from the ad department when I was the Editor at Flying Models magazine for 17 years... And, I ran a bunch of CL covers there as well (along with a large number of CL articles).
Want more CL coverage and/or cover shots? Submit something. I just submitted a CL design that a friend of mine sent to me, and it was accepted for publication. There were several very worthy cover shots submitted with that design/article, and I'd be very surprised if one did not appear on the cover of the issue in which it will be published.
Bob Hunt
Again I only ask the question. When was the last time a CL model was on the cover of MA?
I went back to 2020 and notta. I was not looking to a rock chunking contest.
I have nothing to offer but my annual dues. Just would like to see more coverage.
I guess I’m asking too much.
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You were not the Paul I was answering; you asked a legitimate question. The "other" Paul stated some things about magazine policy that are just not always true. They may be true for some magazines and newsletters, but certainly not for Model Aviation. They weren't true for Stunt News in the 10 or so years that I was the Editor there either.
I agree that there should be more CL coverage and covers, but advertising has nothing to do with it from my experience there for seven years; and that's what Mr. Paul Smith intimated with his post.
Sorry if that "chunk" found the wrong landing place.
Sorry Bob. I did not see you were replying to Paul Smith.
All Good. 😎
Later - Bob
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I'm calling you on this one, Paul. I was the Editor of Model Aviation for seven years, and the Editor Emeritus for a couple more after I retired. I can tell you this much, not once did I ever even hear from the ad department about what content to run or not run on the cover. And I ran a few CL models on the cover while I was there. I laugh inside when I hear people talking or writing with some perceived knowledge about what happens at a magazine or a professional newsletter when they have never been involved with such a publication.
For what it's worth, I never heard anything about what to run on the cover or as articles in the magazine from the ad department when I was the Editor at Flying Models magazine for 17 years... And, I ran a bunch of CL covers there as well (along with a large number of CL articles).
Want more CL coverage and/or cover shots? Submit something. I just submitted a CL design that a friend of mine sent to me, and it was accepted for publication. There were several very worthy cover shots submitted with that design/article, and I'd be very surprised if one did not appear on the cover of the issue in which it will be published.
Bob Hunt
Hiya Bob!
At the risk of appearing to challenge your input, I think there needs to be a bit of a "hook" for a non-RC subject to make the MA cover these days. Consider the latest issue: This year marked the 100th anniversary of the Mulvahil FF trophy. The winner was Hope Finn and, given that she is the first woman to win the trophy, and on the 100th award of the trophy no less, the sociopolitical impact is significant. To disclaim a bit: Hope is a very good flyer (hell, her two boys can pick better air than I) and bested SOME VERY stiff competition to win this year's Nat's title. What I'm getting at is, that picture, as well as the story behind it, is significant enough to bump the usual RC subjects. Simply submitting a photo to the AMA and expecting it to automatically land on the cover of MA isn't realistic these days. Having said all that, nothing will ever grace the cover of MA, or the pages within, if no submission is made.
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Hiya Bob!
At the risk of appearing to challenge your input, I think there needs to be a bit of a "hook" for a non-RC subject to make the MA cover these days. Consider the latest issue: This year marked the 100th anniversary of the Mulvahil FF trophy. The winner was Hope Finn and, given that she is the first woman to win the trophy, and on the 100th award of the trophy no less, the sociopolitical impact is significant. To disclaim a bit: Hope is a very good flyer (hell, her two boys can pick better air than I) and bested SOME VERY stiff competition to win this year's Nat's title. What I'm getting at is, that picture, as well as the story behind it, is significant enough to bump the usual RC subjects. Simply submitting a photo to the AMA and expecting it to automatically land on the cover of MA isn't realistic these days. Having said all that, nothing will ever grace the cover of MA, or the pages within, if no submission is made.
Point of order-- Connie Perry was the first chick to win the Mulvihill trophy.
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If control line and free flight had the numbers that the radio control portion of this pastime of modeling there would not be a problem. I am guilty as any one in not promoting control line as I now know as I was too interested in collecting the dust collectors called trophies. I did fly RC for awhile with my son as we both had to take lessons. But things happened and I went to control line mainly. My son found other interests besides model planes. I too tried free flight, but finding big clear fields to use with persons permision meant driving a ways. Yes, there are some people that don't realize there other factors So instead of complaining maybe we should get out and fly. S?P
By the way I do read the magazines from cover to cover and learned some things from RC and FF that I could use in CL. D>K
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Let's invite him in and put a handle in his hands. If someone could take him out into the circle and let him watch a pattern from the pilot's perspective, he might grasp why we love this so much.
I too drifted off into RC Soaring for a couple of years. Although I got quite good at it, and it does take a great deal of skill (working on LSF IV), it never gave me that "bond" with the model that CL gives you. I got just as much enjoyment out of playing with a simulator as I did actually flying my planes.
Ken
What is really different is the direct connection you have with the controls. You feel the pressure on the control surfaces. You feel the plane just like a real aerobatic pilot feels his/her plane.
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I got this picture at the 2019 Nats writing for CL Scale Nats News and it was used on the cover of the magazine. CL Scale made that cover that year!
Fred
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OK...may be not on the front cover but how about the centerfold? We all like centerfolds right! Refer to the 12/2023 Model Aviation Pgs 64-65 to see Bob Hunt's latest Turning Point twin flying inverted. AMA promotional, save money "fly longer for less". We did get a CL bleep in this issue on CL Carrier.
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I recently submitted an article on CL F2A speed with several vertical format pictures that might be selected, we will see.
What I don't see at contests and the Nats is people taking pictures (not your cell phone...) and sending them into the person who write a column on that subject matter.
I have had 4 cover photos to date on the cover of the magazine over the last 30 years so I feel pretty good about that.
Fred Cronenwett
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This isn't a contest, but I think the best ever was M.A.N. (Sept 1967) with Larry Scarinzi's screaming Super Satan and Dawn Cosmillo , Junior Stunt Champ.
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June 2015 was a control line issue. My "Margaret June" CL racer construction article was one of several CL articles featured. I got a corner of the cover, while A CL Scale Rearwin Speedster was the main photo.
More recently, winning American flier Alex Valishev set a new speed world's record at last year's CL World Championships in Poland. I guess that wasn't cover worthy enough. Oh, and the speed team won the first place team prize, and Alex's son Ivan was also the Junior Champion. Still not good enough for the cover.
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Bill - The F2A article I just sent into the AMA covers Alex, Ivan, the 2022 F2A world championship team trophy that the USA won. I have a picture of the team with the trophy. And a picture of Alex with Carl Dodge a past F2A world Champion. And, by the way Alex broke the F2A speed record at the same time, he has also won the F2A World cup for the last two years.
The article covers our F2A world cup we held in St Louis, the 2022 World Championship team trophy for F2A. I am hoping it gets published
Fred
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Me too! :D
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ALL "non profit" organizations are required to have monthly publications. I am a member of several. ALL of their content is driven by ad revenue.
I'm pretty sure a non-profit organization is not required to have a monthly publication. But a non-profit dedicated to any type of specific interest, probably wouldn't last without some sort of publication, either monthly, quarterly or at least annually.
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This isn't a contest, but I think the best ever was M.A.N. (Sept 1967) with Larry Scarinzi's screaming Super Satan and Dawn Cosmillo , Junior Stunt Champ.
I remember that! All I have now is a black/white photo scan of that cover. That was an awesome photo!
Andre