It's just a matter of time till they bring the hammer down

[Mike Griffin]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/passenger-jet-has-close-call-with-drone/article/2565303

Here you go.  another one

[Steve Helmick]

If the media would just read Stunthangar, they'd know better than to call Quadcopters "Drones". Dammit!

FWIW, this Spring I arrived early to fly at Auburn Muni/Dick Scobee Memorial Airport. I was getting stuff out and had my plane out. A black fella hollered to me through the cyclone fence that his name was Daniel or David something, that he was from Kenya, and was very interested in Quadcopter technology and wanted to know if we were going to fly some. "Uh, no." Maybe he had a Christian name, and maybe he only used to have a Christian name, ya know what I mean?  Steve

[Dane Martin]

The AMA mag calls multirotors drones. Apparently, that's just becoming the best possible name for them 

[Perry Rose]

It sounds fishy to me. I would like to hear the voice recorder. The plane had to be several miles from the airport at the time being that high. By the time you spot something that small and you're going close to 190 kts. you don't have time to climb 200 feet.

[Bill Heher]

Not to mention that at 1/2 a mile high the majority of quadcopters will look like a small blob, unlikely still under visual control, which means if they did see it- it was probably being flown FPV, in controlled airspace, in the landing pattern..... AKA Moron at the sticks!

As for the esteemed Congressman saying that they can be made so they will not fly in restricted airspace... Who the he// gave him that line of BS to spew. Even if they did figure out how to do that- there are probably in excess of a million of the things already out in circulation. Can you put toothpaste back in the tube Congressman?

[Chris McMillin]

Restricted Airspace. Look it up. No airliner is allowed by law and regulation to fly in Restricted Airspace.
Terms in aviation have meanings and politicians do not know what those meanings are. When they speak about aviation you can just bet that you shouldn't repeat what they say because then you will be using the wrong terms about aviation.
Chris...

[Bill Jacklin]

... politicians do not know what those meanings are. When they speak about aviation you can just bet that you shouldn't repeat what they say because then you will be using the wrong terms about aviation.

Aviation, firearms, you name it. And these people, knowing next to nothing about the subject, make laws which can cripple the good guys' ability to partake and enjoy the activity but do absolutely nothing to impede the bad guys in any meaningful way.

[Jim Kraft]

Well; It is the same old things that guns kill people. If we just take away all the guns no one will die. I agree that the quads can be dangerous in the wrong hands. But, I just got a newsletter from the oil company I use to put in my time for, and they are now using them in the refinery for checking steam towers and such at very low cost. I can see that they can do things for us that we could not do before they were invented. As with all new technology it can be used for good or evil. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Maybe our government will make a law the it will be illegal to own one unless you are between the ages of 27 and 28. But also in that law will be a loophole that if you pay $500.00 for the new quad licence you can be an operator at any age. No matter what happens the government will figure out a way to tax it because it either moves or doesn't.

[Mike Griffin]

Bill J. , you just nailed it.

Mike

[JoeJust]

As for the esteemed Congressman saying that they can be made so they will not fly in restricted airspace... Who the he// gave him that line of BS to spew. Even if they did figure out how to do that- there are probably in excess of a million of the things already out in circulation. Can you put toothpaste back in the tube Congressman?

[/quote] Congressman "Chuck-you" Schumer only cares for anything that he and other Bolshivicks can regulate. He know nothing but how to get his name out being against any particular recently popular news items.
Joe

[john e. holliday]

Isn't that true for 99% of our so called politicians.  And also most of the media couldn't get it right to begin with.   Just listen to them at a news briefing.  All asking the same question.  It's like they can't hear or under stand the spoken word.

[bill bischoff]

I want to get in on this! All politicians are terrible and stupid! If a Kenyan is interested in quadcopters, we should suspect he is a terrorist. Did I miss anything? Maybe I missed the part that had anything to do with control line.

[Geoff Goodworth]

Check this out—

http://pagesix.com/2015/05/31/enrique-iglesias-slices-fingers-trying-to-grab-drone-on-stage/?_ga=1.193324841.508204345.1381948382

Stupid is as stupid does.

[Wade Bognuda]

Can't fly in restricted airspace?? Didn't know that. LA center has let me do it. Vandenburg, Edwards etc. That was a while ago. It used to be if the airspace was cold they would. These UAS' are something else. What ever happens as far as government regulation you can darn well believe it will be blanket rules that really hurts legitimate "conventional" aeromodeling. Isn't a drone autonomous, once launched it doesn't return?

[Chris McMillin]

Can't fly in restricted airspace?? Didn't know that. LA center has let me do it. Vandenburg, Edwards etc. That was a while ago. It used to be if the airspace was cold they would. These UAS' are something else. What ever happens as far as government regulation you can darn well believe it will be blanket rules that really hurts legitimate "conventional" aeromodeling. Isn't a drone autonomous, once launched it doesn't return?

Really, flying 121? MOA's okay, Restriced no. Like you though, maybe they changed it?!
Chris...

[Perry Rose]

With permission from the controlling agency anyone can fly in/through restricted airspace. Even Prohibited airspace. Otherwise how does Marine One get to and from the white house?

[Wade Bognuda]

91. 1 mile from runways at Vance, NORDO, 137 at or below 200 AGL.

[Sean McEntee]

Isn't a drone autonomous, once launched it doesn't return?

     The term "drone" was used early-on to describe the primitive, expensive and barely functional target and reconnaissance UAVs beginning in the late 1910s. More recently, the term is used by the media to instill fear and paranoia into the GP, and eventually used to describe everything that doesnt carry living breathing operators.

     My two cents:  The AMA needs to distance themselves from the quad industry.  They arent model airplanes.  The generally accepted definition for a model airplane is a scaled facsimile of a full size, MAN CARRYING aircraft.  The rulebook for any scale event describes them as such.  I've never seen a person-carrying quadricopter before.  For the AMA to take it upon themselves to "mentor and educate" the quadricopter community is a futile and will be a costly effort. 

[Randy Cuberly]

     The term "drone" was used early-on to describe the primitive, expensive and barely functional target and reconnaissance UAVs beginning in the late 1910s. More recently, the term is used by the media to instill fear and paranoia into the GP, and eventually used to describe everything that doesnt carry living breathing operators.

     My two cents:  The AMA needs to distance themselves from the quad industry.  They arent model airplanes.  The generally accepted definition for a model airplane is a scaled facsimile of a full size, MAN CARRYING aircraft.  The rulebook for any scale event describes them as such.  I've never seen a person-carrying quadricopter before.  For the AMA to take it upon themselves to "mentor and educate" the quadricopter community is a futile and will be a costly effort. 

Sean:
Your Two Cents is also exactly as I feel about the situation!  Seems like the only sensible solution from a modeling point of view!

I seriously doubt that the AMA will do that and give up all the revenue they get from that industry however!  They have always shown a propensity for following the money!

It is however the only intelligent solution in my opinion.

Randy Cuberly

[Dick Pacini]

How about the pop singer who was seriously cut up as he grabbed a selfie drone during his concert?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/01/enrique-iglesias-injured-while-taking-drone-selfie-during-concert/

[EJN]

Another quadcopters are evil, we're doomed thread.

*yawn*


"It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine"

-- R.E.M.

[Mike Griffin]

How about the pop singer who was seriously cut up as he grabbed a selfie drone during his concert?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/01/enrique-iglesias-injured-while-taking-drone-selfie-during-concert/

This is what happens when idiots play with something they have no clue about.  Just another dumbass.

Mike

[Mike Griffin]

     The term "drone" was used early-on to describe the primitive, expensive and barely functional target and reconnaissance UAVs beginning in the late 1910s. More recently, the term is used by the media to instill fear and paranoia into the GP, and eventually used to describe everything that doesnt carry living breathing operators.

     My two cents:  The AMA needs to distance themselves from the quad industry.  They arent model airplanes.  The generally accepted definition for a model airplane is a scaled facsimile of a full size, MAN CARRYING aircraft.  The rulebook for any scale event describes them as such.  I've never seen a person-carrying quadricopter before.  For the AMA to take it upon themselves to "mentor and educate" the quadricopter community is a futile and will be a costly effort. 

You are exactly right Sean but AMA is greedy and they will not turn their backs on the money.  These flying spiders are not classified as a model plane or a model helicopter and should not be advertised with the same.

Mike

[Randy Cuberly]

Another quadcopters are evil, we're doomed thread.

*yawn*


"It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine"

-- R.E.M.

Gee thanks for your all knowing all seeing wisdom!

You missed the point however.  This is not a "Quadcopters are evil" thread.  It's a most "Quadcopter pilots are moronic jerks thread".  Maybe you could impress us with your unlimited wisdom and tell us why!

Or maybe you are one!  The credentials are correct...here on the thread as a New Pilot under an assumed named from 58 miles west of Venus!...Could it be that you are just uuuuuuuhhhhhhh OH NO a TROLL!!!!!!

Beat it troll!

Randy Cuberly

[Mike Keville]

To repeat:  These are NOT model airplanes.  They are expensive toys.  Am starting to doubt about renewing AMA next year.  They have lost sight of their original focus.

[Mike Griffin]

Randy, you beat me to it.  Mike, I am thinking the same thing.  I swore I was not going to rejoin this year but I did.  I just gritted my teeth and sent my check in but I really don't think I will next year.

Mike

[JoeJust]

Not re-joining the AMA by control Line advocates will do NOTHING to the AMA!  If all 12M of us quit the AMA they couldn't be happier. Why?  Then they would gain an additional 3 to 12 pages of space each month to fit in even more advertising.  The last time I actually counted the pages of the MA magazine I found that out of 155 pages of print nearly half or more of the pages were advertisements, and that included the $12,000 professional Quad, available if you wanted to pend a week at the plant for training.  While I do feel that Quads will be a great help to the agriculture business.  Basic programing for such is now available at the local Community College here in Walla Walla, I don't see the need for the AMA to sell advertisement for the AG business.
Joe Just
AMA 5167 Leader Member

[Mike Griffin]

Joe if I do not renew next year it would simply be because I see very little if any benefit of belonging to an organization because you feel like you HAVE TO.  I have places to fly without having to be a member of AMA.  Its kind of like paying taxes to the IRS.  I hate the IRS but I had to pay taxes for years to these thugs.  If I had had a choice, I would not have paid them a dime of my hard earned money when I was working. 

Any organization that takes your money year after year and gives its members very little in return benefits is a terrible investment IMHO.  And Joe, this answer is not directed at you at all, I am just venting in general here.  You have a great point though, every paying member of the control line community could quit AMA tomorrow and they would not even feel a bump in the road.  Sean had a great point in an earlier post in this thread when he said that AMA should not align themselves and promote these quadcopter things because they are not true model aircraft and the general mentality of the poeple who fly them could care less about model aviation....... but they won't , the allure of the money is too great and that is what they are all about.  They could care less if another control line model ever got off the ground again.  ARF, RTF and Quadcopters is where they are making their beds and sometimes it makes me feel like I am sleeping with the enemy by belonging to it. 

And I think if I hear the press refer to these things as drones again, I am going to put my foot through the Television.  It is like the term "Assault Weapon"  I spent four years in the service during Vietnam and although I was never in combat, I was assigned an M16 and had to qualify with it.  NOT ONCE during my 4 years did I EVER hear that weapon reffered to as an ASSAULT RIFLE.  It was a tactical rifle/weapon.  The word ASSAULT was dreamed up bu anti gun whackos and assigned to these rifles as part of their ANTI GUN agenda......also in the military, you NEVER referred to your rifle as a gun...ever.  Anybody remember the old drill chant...."this is my rifle, this is my gun (grab your crotch) this is for shooting, this if for fun (grab your crotch again).

I need to stop now, my blood pressure is rising ....again...

Mike

[Dick Pacini]

Mike, I can understand your point but consider that letting your membership lapse, you lose your insurance, which, to me, is essential if you fly models.  Another loss would be your AMA number.  Not critical but something to think about.

[Randy Cuberly]

Mike, I can understand your point but consider that letting your membership lapse, you lose your insurance, which, to me, is essential if you fly models.  Another loss would be your AMA number.  Not critical but something to think about.

Hi Dick,
I would remind you that the AMA liability insurance is merely secondary insurance that only pays anything when your primary insurance runs out...usually homeowners insurance.  The only real insurance benefit is the Site Insurance, which is a boon for obtaining flying sites but that's it!!!
I belong to AMA only so I can fly in AMA sanctioned contests...when that ends I will not give them a second glance let alone any money!

Randy Cuberly

[Dick Pacini]

Yes Randy, I am aware of the secondary insurance of AMA.  However, I wouldn't want to depend on H/O for coverage.  I have never had the nerve to ask my insurance company if I was covered in case I hit someone or something with my toy airplane.  They tend to make notes on any "am I covered for this?" and keep them in their files.  Any excuse to jack up the rates.

My AMA number is important to me since I let my membership expire in 1976.  My number was issued to someone else some time later.  Fortunately, that person let it go and I was able to recover my old number when I re-enlisted a few years ago.  I still have only flown a couple of flights in the last 40 years, but I have my AMA membership, insurance and number, so when I am really ready to fly again, I am good to go.

[Dick Pacini]

So, back to the subject of quadcopters, I received an email AMA newsletter today and part of it was devoted to the Joe Nall event.  They had a video with a few slow moving shots from overhead. 

Gee, I wonder what was carrying the camera!

[Randy Cuberly]

So, back to the subject of quadcopters, I received an email AMA newsletter today and part of it was devoted to the Joe Nall event.  They had a video with a few slow moving shots from overhead. 

Gee, I wonder what was carrying the camera!

Hmmmm...Maybe the same Quadcopter that caused the crash of the Corsair...    

Randy cuberly

[Mike Griffin]

I don't know guys, maybe it's just me.  I don't have the desire to compete anymore at contests.  I flew for the fun of flying and  built for the fun of building.  I have always built a lot more than I flew and was always a much better builder than I was a flyer.  If I got the plane in the air and 6 minutes later got it on the ground in one piece, I had a good day.  I never took myself to seriously and never took flying model airplanes seriously, I flew them because it was fun and it was fun just being around the other guys.  I always thought Dan Banjok and guys like him always had the right idea and attitude about flying.  Build something bizarre and see how many weird things we can make it do in the air.  Now that is fun.  To me, most modern day high performance stunt ships pretty much look alike and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.  They fly great and the men who build, finish and fly them are wizards in what they do and as far as I am concerned are the ICONS of what flying models are all about.  AMA HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER recognize this because we fly C.O.N.T.R.OL. - L.I.NE.

I suppose AMA serves some purpose for some people but how many Chinese ARFs can a person digest?  This is an organization that gives more credence and attention to some  dufus flying a video game than to the many many greats both living and dead who are the very essence of what true flying models are all about.

They don't get it and they never will.
Mike

[Randy Cuberly]

Amen Mike!

Well said!

Randy Cuberly

[Mike Keville]

In the Old Days (1940s - 1960s) we had real modelers in charge of the AMA....folks like Carl Wheeley, Frank Ehling, Johnny Clemens, et al.  Today we have "money managers"....whose only experience with "models" is to open a large box from China and bolt the foam components together.

As for re-upping, since I don't fly anymore, that's a moot point since there's currently no need for their (secondary) insurance.  About the only two reasons I can imagine for re-upping would be (A) my club membership requires it, and (B) to watch the organization implode after some hotshot plows a multirotor into a crowd....or worse.

(Apparently I've become a Grumpy Old Man.)

[Steve Helmick]

Tell 'em we fly Ratio Control. It's true, too.  Steve

[Randy Cuberly]

As for re-upping, since I don't fly anymore, that's a moot point since there's currently no need for their (secondary) insurance.  About the only two reasons I can imagine for re-upping would be (A) my club membership requires it, and (B) to watch the organization implode after some hotshot plows a multirotor into a crowd....or worse.

(Apparently I've become a Grumpy Old Man.)

No Mike...You've always been a "Grumpy Old Man"!   

Remember...Only your friends will tell you the truth!   

Randy Cuberly

[Mike Griffin]

No Mike...You've always been a "Grumpy Old Man"!   

Remember...Only your friends will tell you the truth!   

Randy Cuberly

I watched that show again not to long ago and laughed as hard as when I first saw it.  That was a funny show.

Mike

[john e. holliday]

Okay guys drop your AMA license.  Remember there are some flying sites that require it.   I know a few places that don't really check, but if you don't have it you have to stay on the spectator side of the line while flying is going on.   Used to be at the NATS you had to have a mechanics license to be on the field.  I keep mine current so I can hob nob with my heroes of CL.

[EJN]

I've never seen a person-carrying quadricopter before.

As they say in model railroading, there's a prototype for anything.

[REX1945]

Where's Ralph Nader when you need him ?

I think the problem is with the changing tide of expected social behavior (something I always learn about when I step on somebody's lines).
Stunt guys are really upset, combat folks could care less.

C/L folks, in general, expect others to be considerate of their space/property. And, we seem to loose a little ground each year to
those who don't care about us. Remember when "remote control" was CL and "Radio Control" was intermittent free flight. After
they got the radios working better, they stole our name to turn the market over one more time.

Not being gifted with the "power of the pen" to make a buck on the issues of UAV's, road rage, and poor gun etiquette, I shall retreat
to my workshop and build another balsa monument to add to my collection. To me the fun is in the building and flying (50/50).

Does anyone know where to find a Wing "speed canopy" ?