Kiev-Cup 2008

[Lauri Malila]

 Hi.

 Here is the results and some pictures from last weekend's world cup event in Kiev, Ukraine. Sorry, just F2b, I did not observe other categories very much.
 Contest site is the same "Sport Complex Chayka" where -88 and -98 World Champs were held.
 Weather was very windy, wet and cold.

 Regards, Lauri

 First pic: Winner Andrei Yatsenko's model

[Lauri Malila]

More pics..

 Olexandr Osetrov's massive Extra. Engine Stalker 81. Fully take-apart in Yatsenko-style construction. L

[Lauri Malila]

More..

 Yuri Yatsenko's new prototype. The Yatsenko bros. are working hard for the future kit production.

[Lauri Malila]

Once more.. The first is S. Solomyanikov's model. Placed 3rd. L

[Shultzie]

Beautiful models...would they take  n' old beat up...Ford Ranger pickup in trade for one of dem'-darrr-puty toy CLPA airplane thingee's?

I hear that Gruby would love to have one as test bed...but he is so forgetful...I would bet one of those fancy pieces in that fine carring case..that our "G Man" would show up to the field without a nose end or the rudder end or  even worse...FERGET TO FASTEN ALL THOSE BOLTS N NUTS..THAT HOLD THEM TOGETHA...(what happens when one of those purty little elevator hinges fail...do ya loose a flapperooonie or a elevatorieeee or just keep on flyin.

Seriously though... GREAT LOOKING MODELS WITH SO MUCH NEW TECHNOLOGY..a great idea for traveling in the new age of high gas prices that might dictate that we CAR POOL to events. This way we could pack in a huge bunch of IMPACTS etc.which makes sense. (if you don't forget to fasten down somethin before taking off?)

[Randy Powell]

Very cool seeing the variation of design between the US and other areas. Neat stuff.

[Lauri Malila]

 Here's some boxes for Schulzie..

[SteveMoon]

Great , great , great looking planes!! I really wish we  could
see that kind of forward thinking here in America. It just seems
the stuck in '53 crowd just can't handle that kind of advancement.
Too bad, I really enjoy seeing what the rest of the world is up to.

Tahnks for the great photos.  Steve

[RC Storick]

Great , great , great looking planes!! I really wish we  could
see that kind of forward thinking here in America. It just seems
the stuck in '53 crowd just can't handle that kind of advancement.
Too bad, I really enjoy seeing what the rest of the world is up to.

Tahnks for the great photos.  Steve

Yep it looks like they all came out of the same mold.

[Steve Helmick]

Yep it looks like they all came out of the same mold.

I really do like the Extra 300S. Don't think I want a model that big, but it's pretty. The cockpit detail is a surprise, but I guess those long winters are well used. Like The Sparkster, it'd make me really sad to see a one design contest, even if they were all custom painted down at the chopper shop.    Steve

[Lauri Malila]

 Hi

 Maybe it's more about flying than building in this side of world. But I also think that reason for molded planes is that composite construction is superior to classic construction in every way. Of course, it makes mass production easier, too.
 3 more pics, first is Yuri's classic. I think this one was flown by Yakovlev. Second one is Sergiy Belko's big model with the new lawnmower engine. Last one is from the wrong circle: F2C "Cobra" by Ferenc Orvos, Gyula, Hungary.

 Cheers, Lauri

[dave siegler]

There are a few American F2d guys over there for that event.  Pat and Mike Wilcox and my brother Tom, and maybe a few others.  They go over every year or so, stay for 2 contests and fly a lot of practice matches during the week.  Tom is a lot better pilot because the competition is good.  He has a great time and has made some wonderful friends.

Do any of the US stunt guys ever travel over there?  

Would love to see some results or photos from F2d if you had them.
Dave

[Shultzie]

Lauri....
I just want to again THANK YOU taking the time and effort for posting these amazingly detailed photos of all those outstanding and beautifully rendered models.

 (Thanks Randy) for pointing out that photo showing all the "goodies" that travel along with those models...Great graphics..that box labeled with the beautifully airbrushed SHARK...really makes a statement.  Also that little metal cake or cookie? tin has peaked my ?? buttons and that bag on the right with  the "BILL" must be 'tatter' chips??? Only thing missing is a bottle of that great German Beer or Champain...that would rightfully toast the winner of the day?
Hummmm?
Like our infamous or famous INDY auto racing champs...WHIMP OUT and DRINK MILK to celebrate the weiner' winner.
Your posts and beautiful pictures really punched my imagination buttons...Thanks for your contribution to our "SPARKY'S Stunt Hangar...

[SteveMoon]

Let's see, there's a Shark, an Extra 300, Belko's design, Yuri Yatsenko's
'classic' design plane, and Yatsenko's new design. That's five different
planes in just these photos. You can bet there were more than these
four present. How is a US contest with a few SVs, Impacts, and
Saturns any different? I see the same designs and same planes at
every contest I go to, year after year.

And, Lauri is right about composite construction; it IS superior to standard
construction in every way.   Steve

[Randy Powell]

I would argue that such designs are not superior. Different and an interesting approach, but I would have a hard time saying they are in any way superior. I watched Paul fly his Impact last weekend. Balsa construction and it flies just fine. Extremely well, in fact. I always find it interesting that any new development is always assumed to be superior. Don't get me wrong, I like this stuff posted here and I'm sure it performs very well. But I doubt, from a structural standpoint, it is substantially superior to a well made and aligned plane of more traditional construction. Granted, once the work of building molds and such is completed, the construction is, in some ways, easier. Certainly easier to mass produce. And it's much easier to get a slick finish when you are painting fiberglass (or composite or whatever). But it's just a different approach. It doesn't automatically make it better.

[Dick Byron]

This is one of the best flying sights ever built. The 1982 C/L scale WC were held there as well as the 1988 C/L and C/L scale ws also. Alot of very nice people and a few KGB watching. LOL

[Lauri Malila]

 Hi. Thanks for compliments. I'm allways happy if I can make someone else happy.
 I'm sorry that I had no time to observe other categories but I recall that Mike Wilcox placed 3rd in combat. I think 1st and 2nd places went to Igor and Sergey Dementiev. I also saw Mike Wilcox at stunt site with his video camera so hopefully he will show something in iternet later.
 What I say about construction is solely my own opinions. Stunt is more than ultimate construction technology but from my background and experience from other categories of model sport (like F1A), I have learned that stiffness, accuracy  and structural stability form the basis of a well flying model in any category. (I'm sorry for my bad English, I hope you got the point)
 The new construction technology goes hand in hand with new manufacturing technology. Without CAD/CAM  it would be no better than classic methods. L

[Randy Powell]

Lauri,

I agree. I can see nothing at all wrong with this sort of construction. It's straight and stable and can be made reasonably light. Good combinations.

[RC Storick]

This type of construction is not better its just repeatable. IMO . How much do they weigh?   Give a man a fish and he'll have a good meal. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat a lifetime. or Give a kid a ARF and he will have fun  till it crashes. Teach a kid to build and he will be in this hobby till he's dead.

[Randy Powell]

Robert,

I agree. Maybe that's the best point. It's repeatable. I know that I can build the same plane (from balsa) 3 times and have three planes that will probably fly well, but will all be slightly different. Perhaps very slightly if I'm on my game. But each will fly slightly differently from the others. With this sort of construction method, I would imagine they would all be identical. Perhaps a good thing, perhaps not.

[Randy Cuberly]

Lauri,
Thank you very much for taking the time and effort to send these terriffic photos.
While I admire the construction techniques used in most of the european models I have to agree with Randy Powell that I don't think they are truly superior to the conventional balsa plywood construction used mostly here in the USA.
There are several individuals here that are building stunters using the composite methods and they usually turn out to be wonderful models but as yet none have actually proven to be superior.
Certainly they are easier to duplicate once the tooling and processes are completed.  However the other side of the coin is that the design construction becomes somewhat less flexible since changes require new or at least modified tooling.
Being an engineer I certainly do admire the effort and planning that goes into projects like this.  I am however a little dogmatic when it comes to "modeling" and personally would rather stick with the conventional modeling techniques.
The world however would indeed be a very dull place, if we all did things the same way.
Thanks again for the great photos.

Randy Cuberly
Tucson AZ

[proparc]

Holy crap!!! The guy who took second place's last name is Yakovlev. If he is any relation to the Yakovlev design bureau, I would strongly suggest you change the contest order and give him first place!! Or else, you might end up with a two thousand pound bomb following you down the freeway locked on to a laser.

[Lauri Malila]

 Yakovlev is a very typical Russian name. I don't know about a connection to aviation plant. But allmost all of that generation of Russian and Ukrainian sportsmen come from engineering or military background. Andrei Y. works for Antonov design bureau.
 Weight of molded models is the same or less than classic type. The dimensional stability and stiffness is better. But stunt contests are not being won with the ultimate construction, it's about flying. Take a look at the Chinese models for example, they could be from 70's.
 This is like arguing between engineering and art. L

[john e. holliday]

This type of construction is not better its just repeatable. IMO . How much do they weigh?   Give a man a fish and he'll have a good meal. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat a lifetime. or Give a kid a ARF and he will have fun  till it crashes. Teach a kid to build and he will be in this hobby till he's dead.

Great statement Sparky, but, an ARF is what got me started in this hobby way back in the early 50's.  I have known guys that love to build and hate to fly.  Then those that loved to fly, but, hate to build.  Then the great ones that do both exceptionally well.  Have fun,  DOC Holliday

[Randy Powell]

Lauri,

Hey, no argument. The models posted here are beautiful. Some folks seem to believe that different as always better and tend to pursue that. And that's fine, I guess. Everyone enjoys this activity differently. I was only pointing out that it's not as if everything else is now obsolete. And you are right. The most important component is the nut on the handle.

[Mark Scarborough]

Mark says to self,,, "Randy Powell says "So folks seem to believe that different as always better and tend to pursue that.",, " different, hmm Randy have you looked at the planes on your bench? in your rack? hmm different,, yeah ok,,
 
You da man Randy, just yankin your chain, something about the words different coming from mr. High Aspect ratio struck me funny,, 

[Randy Powell]

Mark,

I also don't suggest that my "weird stuff" is better. Just different.

[RC Storick]

Do I think I can build a composite model? "Yes" They are very nice planes indeed. However I am on the art side. To express one creativity is the best part of this hobby to me. Randy I have followed your stuff and they are works of art. What do I think of the Composite kits? The "Guy" who built them did a great job. I am in the Harley business and all the time I have customers ask me "what do you think of my custom bike?" Well it looks like the other 100,000 of the HD line with different paint. When I see a true custom and I don't mean OCC American chopper's, I mean a true custom like Ed Roth did they are an expression of his creativity.

The Low-rider guys are a perfect example.

Kinda like wearing a different color pair of jeans

[Randy Powell]

Robert,

I agree. But as has been said, not everybody is in this for the same reasons. Composites are fine and at some point, I may make molds and build one. Or not. I like to express what I think a plane should be like. It's not going to be what everyone thinks and that's fine. In the end, I only care if I like, after all.

Buy the way, I like your stuff too.   

[Walter Hicks]

Lauri,

    Thank you very much for posting the pictures and your comments. All I will say is that after watching some of the 2004 World Stunt Champs it was obvious that there are many approaches to the Controline Stunt Plane. And after
watching with my own eyes they work very well. The same can be said for Paul Walkers new plane awesome
construction /take apart plane and flew very well. Dave Fitsgerald has yet another approach a big PA .75 that grunts around the whole pattern in a four stroke, or Igor Panchecko with his four stroke 5800 RPM in calm air and 6100 in with  with 14" high pitch props. After watching hours of DVD of the 2006 World Champs it is obvious that there are several outstanding Pilots too! The Discovery Retro is yet another approach. I saw it again last week at a contest with the wind blowing and it performed very well.
    I am glad that as the saying goes "There are many ways to skin a Cat."  Thanks again Lauri - Awesome planes!

[rustler]

Just as a matter of interest, the "Lawnmower" engine referred to in Belko's model is in fact the new R&B75, state of the art AAC stunt engine. The first 20 engines are going out at £140 Sterling, includes "Recorded Delivery"/"International Signed For" post.