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Title: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Paul Taylor on April 14, 2007, 01:08:24 PM
Assume the weather is just right for stunts...
What is the hardes stunt to do?
Right now mine is outsides.


What is yours, Clover leaf?
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Leo Mehl on April 14, 2007, 01:34:48 PM
At my age, all of them.
Title: Square Eight....
Post by: Paul Smith on April 14, 2007, 01:37:56 PM
Easy to do,,,hard to do proper !!!

FAI gives it K-18, their highest number... 16 corners, 16 straights, 4 bottoms,  lots of places to lose points. 
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Clint Ormosen on April 14, 2007, 01:40:05 PM
The outside square. I hate the first dive into it.
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Bill Little on April 14, 2007, 02:33:33 PM
Square eight followed by the reverse wingover.  I can never seem to consistantly wait on the plane to come down for the reverse pullout in the R.O..  I wish it was in about the middle of the pattern where I have had some time in the flight to get a little bit of timing going.

Square eights are just imting, timing, timing.............
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Bob Reeves on April 14, 2007, 03:52:07 PM
Inverted double vertical eight from the Mirror pattern.
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: rob biddle on April 14, 2007, 04:06:19 PM
  I'd have to agree with Bill,

 Square 8's followed by the reverse wing over.

The inverted pullout is hard to nail that early in the flight and in my opinion sets up the whole flight.

When someone else really nails it I usually sit up and pay particular attention to the rest of the flight.

Cheers, Rob.
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Garf on April 14, 2007, 04:36:38 PM
Reverse wingover. I have trouble with the inverted pullout. I lose too much airspeed, then I lose tension on the second half.
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Peter Nevai on April 14, 2007, 04:42:45 PM
Anything with 3 sides, s'pecially the hour glass. It's them less than 90 degree turns.
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Dwayne on April 14, 2007, 05:16:16 PM
Cloverleaf
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: captcurt on April 14, 2007, 06:03:36 PM
WEll..i could go along and say the hourglass..I think that is the most taxing of the plane and powerplant.  They are MORE than 90 deg turns by the way..but I knew what you meant.

But, I'll say rounds are the most difficult to really do well.  Straight lines are easy to see.  A good round tho...it can be bad in an infinite numer of places!    Of course, they are the SAFEST for the plane..except perhaps the vertical 8.

THe RW and Sq 8are right up there although as Bill said, its alot of timing and Chutzpah waiting for the RWO pull out.

Just remember Bill, real PA pilots never pull out early!  :)

Curt
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Dick Fowler on April 14, 2007, 06:22:41 PM
Overhead eights.  No ground reference points. Tension is lower and I'm not as flexible as I once was!
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Bill Gruby on April 14, 2007, 06:43:10 PM
I have to agree with the Hourglass, I have a tendency to lose it on the downleg headed for the final turn.

"Billy G"  ;D
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Phil Coopy on April 14, 2007, 06:58:46 PM
Snap rolls...............can't keep my lines untangled... LL~

Phil
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Glen Wearden on April 14, 2007, 07:20:58 PM
For me, it is all that occurs, or fails to occur, after the launch! :P   Glen
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Bill Little on April 14, 2007, 07:51:22 PM
(snip) THe RW and Sq 8are right up there although as Bill said, its alot of timing and Chutzpah waiting for the RWO pull out.

Just remember Bill, real PA pilots never pull out early!  :)

Curt

Ah, Captcurt!  I guess I am woefully lacking in the "real PA pilot"realm!!!!!!!! **) **)

BTW:  Going to make Huntersville this year??  I gots to get ready for the BOBFGC event if so.............. ;D

Bill "the unreal PA pilot" Little
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: bob branch on April 14, 2007, 08:02:05 PM
Curt

Real aerobatic pilots don't pull out late on the reverse wing over either. If they are late, they aren't pilots anymore, they are garbage collectors.  :o

Bob Branch
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: M Spencer on April 14, 2007, 08:05:37 PM

  THE LANDING ?
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Dwayne on April 14, 2007, 08:29:54 PM
  THE LANDING ?
That's a good one
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Clancy Arnold on April 14, 2007, 08:36:55 PM
My bigest problem is doing the second figure 9! I nail the first one but the plane will not do the second one.

Any suggestions?

Clancy
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: steve pagano on April 14, 2007, 09:59:29 PM
My bigest problem is doing the second figure 9! I nail the first one but the plane will no do the second one.

Any suggestions?

Clancy


Try a different prop! LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Louis Rankin on April 14, 2007, 11:39:31 PM
Matthew is right.  The landing intimidates me.  There is usually several more than two laps inbetween the Clover and engine shut off.  For all those laps after the Clover all I can think of is, shut off before 8 and don't bounce, shut off before 8 and don't bounce.
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Joey Mathison 9806 on April 15, 2007, 06:30:39 AM
never have entered a stunt contest to busy flying speed planes at contest,however i do enjoy flying sport planes allmost every weekend over the last year i have been trying to fly differant stunts the hour glass is still kickin my butt. last weekend i tried vertical sq 8's that was difficult but lots of fun :X
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Bill Hodges on April 15, 2007, 06:38:42 AM
Without a doubt, the hourglass.  I have never flown one properly.

Bill Hodges
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: john e. holliday on April 15, 2007, 07:22:14 AM
From the time the wheels start turning, until they stop turning when and after the engine quits.  Actually the RW is the one I just can't seem to hit consistently.  But, it is bad that when you do get one down to 4 foot or at level flight around 5 foot with smooth levels between turns and only get 12 points.  Whole flight pattern with bottems at 4-5 foot scored only a 311.  DOC Holliday

PS:I now don't worry about bottoms anymore as it seems I can get over 400 consistently now. jeh
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: captcurt on April 15, 2007, 08:57:23 AM
Matthew is right.  The landing intimidates me.  There is usually several more than two laps inbetween the Clover and engine shut off.  For all those laps after the Clover all I can think of is, shut off before 8 and don't bounce, shut off before 8 and don't bounce.

Hi Louis:

I have had great success with cutoff loops.  Especially in very windy conditions where they give you a very predictable landing point going downwind instead of getting around into a stiff breeze and having the plane balloon.

Curt
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Randy Powell on April 15, 2007, 09:47:08 AM
For me, inverted flight. Must be a lot harder than it looks. I've never received a 40.
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Mark Scarborough on April 15, 2007, 11:52:10 AM
hmm lets see,,, sqaur 8's,, peice of cake, oh wait, havent done those yet,,, outside squares,, hmm same deal,, (chicken,,,,,,) I guess as soon as I have more than one airplane ready to fly I will try them. For me, the overhead 8 is real tough no point of reference and its so so easly to get  over to one side,,
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Wynn Robins on April 15, 2007, 01:35:01 PM
The square eights  (both insides and outs) are OK to fly, but hard to fly well.


The plane killer I found when I was learning was the hourglass......the 4th corner!!!!!!  From diving inverted at 45 degress to level pull out at 5 feet!!!  EEEK!   

Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Bill Little on April 15, 2007, 02:31:44 PM
I was very luck that a very good flyer taught me the Hourglass.  He had me do it almost vertical to start out with.  Most lay the plane to far over on it's back going up when they start out.  Once you do it, you can get the angles worked out easier, it seems, by coming at it from a much more vertical attitude.
Title: Re: Just pick one.... what is the hardest to do.
Post by: Charlie Pate on April 15, 2007, 04:32:04 PM
4-6 ft. bottoms on anything ~^