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Offline Mike Griffin

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Just glad I dont live here
« on: January 16, 2018, 08:23:48 PM »
Are you allowed to breathe in this place?

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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2018, 08:44:39 PM »
And their excrement doesn't stink either!!! LL~ LL~
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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2018, 08:55:35 PM »
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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2018, 09:08:02 PM »
They keep making noises about seceding from the Union.  Why don't they hurry up and get it over with.  Then we can declare War on the rats and straighten them out!

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Seriously though they definitely are not in keeping with the American spirit of things.  Seems like their Government is more socialist than Russia! 

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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2018, 09:47:17 PM »
I don't understand?  Your saying that you would enjoy it more if you were in the park and others were doing w2hatever they wanted to?  Such as littering, dogs crapping where ever, people driving on the grass and trails?  Am I missing something?  Maybe its one of those American things? H^^
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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2018, 09:55:41 PM »
The man who posted these pictures did so on my facebook page.  He said you cannot even fly a rubber powered toy plane with your child .... no kidding.

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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2018, 10:19:10 PM »
I don't understand?  Your saying that you would enjoy it more if you were in the park and others were doing w2hatever they wanted to?  Such as littering, dogs crapping where ever, people driving on the grass and trails?  Am I missing something?  Maybe its one of those American things? H^^

Alright Mr "king liberal" Glenn...What the hell does that have to do with the conversation in question.  Why have a park if you can't do anything in it!  Might as well be a sewer why would anyone want to go there.  Maybe that's the idea...if no one went there the City could sell the land for big bucks!  Been done many times!

Bureau of land management has many times in the past literally blocked off public land for many years then sold it for lack of use!

Of course it could be just typical Nazi type thinking that most liberal places seem to be adopting!

The land could then be turned into housing for more "Illegal aliens" that could be convinced or bought to vote Democrat!  Probably the only way the Democrat party can survive!

I just love it when liberal Canadians keep telling us how "Our" country is all wrong...and we should listen to them.  After all they've done such a great job with theirs!   HB~> HB~> HB~>

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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2018, 10:58:03 PM »
.   I wish somebody would sneak out there a fire up a pulse jet, that would get their thongs up their butts. 
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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2018, 11:21:32 AM »
Randy; You and I and others who grew up in KC remember the days when Swope Park was full of models on the weekends. I spent many days of my misspent youth there in the 40's drooling on peoples planes. VSC is the closest thing to those days we have been able to relive. Thanks Mike.
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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2018, 11:31:53 AM »
I see nothing wrong in prohibiting "Remote Controlled Aircraft" in the same venue where families come to picnic, and where small children can play on the grass.  (I also like to see parks where dogs not allowed where children play).

Someone mentioned Columbus Park, in Tucson.  This is a dedicated model aircraft (and boats) facility.  People do not go there to picnic on the grass. That makes it safe for model flying.
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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2018, 11:48:54 AM »
You are perfectly free to not live there if you don't want to.

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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2018, 12:05:52 PM »
I see nothing wrong in prohibiting "Remote Controlled Aircraft" in the same venue where families come to picnic, and where small children can play on the grass.  (I also like to see parks where dogs not allowed where children play).


   I agree, and in any case, those sort of restrictions are common in parks across the country. It absolutely *is not* safe to fly RC planes in a open setting like that. Most of the other things you can't do are just common sense/courtesy - I don't want to walk across a park and have to step in dog poop.

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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2018, 12:12:51 PM »
In regard to the second sign referring exclusively to aircraft alone, I suspect Walter is correct.  This was probably brought about by some irresponsible folks flying quadcopters.  I dont imagine that flying giant scale RC planes was ever a problem.  Ironically, our flying field here in New Orleans is right next to a new golf course and we have yet to have a complaint from somebody losing their concentration during a putt because a FOX 35 broke their concentration.  We even fly pulse jets here.  However, I feel it is just a matter of time.  It only takes one.  Enjoy it while you can boys and girls.

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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2018, 12:23:02 PM »
I see nothing wrong in prohibiting "Remote Controlled Aircraft" in the same venue where families come to picnic, and where small children can play on the grass.  (I also like to see parks where dogs not allowed where children play).

Someone mentioned Columbus Park, in Tucson.  This is a dedicated model aircraft (and boats) facility.  People do not go there to picnic on the grass. That makes it safe for model flying.

Well, that sounds good from a liberal point of view but like most things liberal it simply isn't true.

The facility at Columbus park in Tucson is a true "Multi-Use facility".  There is a picnic area and a Covered area with tables immediately adjacent to the modeling area.  Also the Dog pound area volunteers use the area to walk dogs from the pound every day.  We modelers have priority in certain areas at certain times and are permitted, like other users, to reserve the entire area during certain times like a contest etc.  However other groups like Dog show clubs also reserve and use the area during certain times.  There is even a Car Club that has reserved the area a few times for fancy car shows!

It should also be noted that even during contests sometimes there will be people on blankets etc. on the grass adjacent to the flying area (outside the temporary ropes we provide of course) enjoying being spectators and often lunch!

All it takes for this to work is simple cooperation on the part of the parties involved.  I won't say there has never been any problems but certainly none that couldn't be worked out with cooperation! 

We here are blessed with a Parks Department that tries very hard to understand different requirements of different groups and makes an effort to abide those requirements. 

Also each group that uses the area has adopted an attitude of cooperation and tries to accommodate the others.  For instance the Dog users are very careful to police their droppings etc. and generally do a very good job.  Even though there are dozens of dogs walked there daily there is almost never any "residue" left from their accommodation.

Likewise, we modelers try very hard to always police our trash etc, after any sessions, especially contests.    y1

Recently a portion of the area has been designated for use by the Quad Copter folks during certain times and it has not presented any real problems to date.  It turns out that those folks are mostly very nice people also!  <=

Multi-use facilities can work very well providing the organizers and property management adopt an attitude of cooperation rather than and attitude of Usurpation of privileges and simply banning what they don't understand.
It has always astounded me that the very people who like to think of themselves as "Liberals" seem to be the most likely to immediately adopt this attitude toward things they disagree with!

I would of course add that the only thing not permitted in this venue is the flying of fixed wing R/C type aircraft.  This certainly makes sense due to the restricted area and lack of space for "flyout areas".  There simply isn't enough room and there are several very good facilities close by in Tucson for that type of aircraft.

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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2018, 01:19:11 PM »
I won't talk politics on a model plane forum. I'll only mention that pigeonholing people is too often unfair and counterproductive. I'd prefer that no one assign beliefs to me that I don't have. IOW, sometimes labels and beliefs do not coincide.

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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2018, 01:30:05 PM »
Go to Supporters section and see definition/explanation of people who post these signs. S?P
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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2018, 02:00:02 PM »
And their excrement doesn't stink either!!! LL~ LL~
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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2018, 02:01:20 PM »
Sorry Randy I did not read your entire rant

I am so super conservative in some regards and seem to be ultra liberal or progressive in other areas I have a hard time understanding my own belief system some times

I am a gun nut... OK not really a nut ....but a very very hard nosed 2Nd Amendment guy

I want EVERY Tax Payer piece of Land in this USA to allow me free access and to do as I PLEASE on the Land I helped pay for

That would include local parks.....

I am the type of citizen who's dad and mom taught to leave EVERY area better than I found it...that teaching stuck
They also taught us kids to respect other's, property, space, and comfort.... when we inadvertently broke a window we were to admit the damage was by us and offer to compensate to home owner

In so many areas of social life I find IDIOTS who were NOT brought up like me

SO ----I demand my controllers of Law to make more and more laws... Hopefully (but I am always wrong) to prohibit those things I find destructive or offensive

Dogs barking all night

213dB thump thump music

Trash thrown every where

Dog Poop every where

This list can be nearly infinate

Do NOT blame the old lady who VOTES to prohibit any RUNNING unmuffled engine in the city park adjoining her home
She is simply seeking enjoyment of her aging years in some peaceful manner....not unreasonable IMO

Watching Oprah with OUT turning the volume to warp ten

I have 1300 feet of frontage on a county road serving 345 residents up to 5 miles past my property... you have zero idea how insanely MAD I get when mowing....and a kid in a pick up ..... pitches his empty Sonic Foam cup and ice on to my fence line

Deliberate and willful "Hey Screw You"...IMO

I desire total freedom...
I demand given that freedom ALL MY FELLOW citizens respect and preserve that freedom...

Sorry to say...in this Me First Society...ain't gonna happen....









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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2018, 03:15:00 PM »
It is rare for me to post anything anywhere but this thread brings back some very good memories. I believe the year was 1969 and I was shopping for paint at Cal's Paints in Ontario, CA (the store is still in Ontario) talking to Cal about mixing just the right color of acrylic lacquer for my new plane. Cal asked me if I knew Tony Lopez and I said I did not. He said Tony Sr. and his son were avid modelers who flew RC.  I had wanted to learn to fly RC but was too busy with work, girls, school, cars and CL. Cal gave me Tony's contact info. Eventually I called Tony and asked if he would help me learn to fly.  He eagerly agreed to help and said they flew in Cucamonga (sans Rancho in those days).  It was there, in a grape vineyard, I learned to fly RC.  There is a long shaggy dog story re. Tony Sr.,Tony Jr. and me that brings back a lot of laughs as our friendship grew. 

For those interested here is a brief link to  Rancho Cucamonga history.  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rancho_Cucamonga#History>

Also, for those unfamiliar with California history and modeling history here.  CA has grown spectacularly (especially for those of us who have lived here for a while) due to people from all over the US and the world moving here for it's plentiful resources. Primarily for work, climate, quality of life s and vast opportunities to share in the benefits of our free enterprise system.  It has definitely worked well for me.  Yeah, it really bugs me that my once quiet, spectacularly scenic neighborhood is now overflowing with youth soccer and intrepid nature explorers and ever expanding schools who bring noise, traffic and other sorts pollution daily and then they leave.  Hey wait, that kinda sounds like what a lot of  people say about model flying. We are interlopers to their world.

As for modeling, I remember the '60s and early '70s (like many other parts of our country) when school play grounds, parks and generally any open area was a flying site.  RC flying was usually done in designated areas or on private property.  People came to watch and ultimately we gained new modelers from the ranks of spectators.  Were modelers the interlopers then? Possibility.

To Floyd and Brett's point there is nothing wrong with accommodating people in public areas.  Although Randy consistently chooses a negative spin laying blame and attacking those who dare have a different opinion than his, he is also conversely correct with his statement of "adopting an attitude of cooperation."

Model flying is certainly changing from what I/we know and enjoy. It is enjoyed by others who have a different slant.  While it is popular to play 'the blame game' these days, people who via for 'Darwin Awards' have never had an effect on the popularity of anything.
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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2018, 03:58:06 PM »
Hi Mr Granderson,
Very good to hear from you!  I sincerely hope you are well.  You've been missed from the modeling scene by many and me included.

To clarify a bit of what my intention was before!  I am a conservative and a constitutionalist.  I believe in the American constitution above all things and it is never my intention to criticize others opinions only their actions.  I do sometimes get a little carried away politically but it is my intention to attack only those that deliberately try to limit my (or others) actions with what I consider to be unfair and unconstitutional limits on those rights.  I never intend to criticize someone just because they have a different opinion than mine until their opinion creates actions that infringe on those rights and beliefs!

Opinions of course, do many times form actions, but they are very different things.  An opinion doesn't deprive anyone of anything but actions often do!  Usurping property rights with rules and signs are typical of actions formed by sometimes well meaning people who are using their opinions to deprive others of simple and genuine rights.

I guess that's enough ranting for a modeling forum I just wanted to clarify that I never intend to criticize another's opinion only their actions when I feel it's necessary.

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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2018, 09:26:37 PM »
Those rules are not liberal nor conservative. Heck in NYC one of the most Blue places in the US Flushing Meadow park has had dedicated CL flying circles since forever. The parks department made a fenced in area with 2 grass and two paved circles specifically for CL. The sign posted read "For Model Aircraft Flying Only" In other parts of the park you certainly could not fly RC. As a matter of fact regular park goers started ignoring the signs and set up on the picnic tables that we had in there and gave us grief when we tried to have them leave. At least until vandals burned the carrier ramps and picnic tables to the ground.

You would certainly not want inexperienced Drone or Park Flyer pilots flying anywhere toddlers running about. It certainly is asking for a nasty accident. Probably some close call prompted the posting of these signs. The FAA finally basically prohibits drone operation anywhere above areas where people in any number congregate. Should there be more special use areas be set aside? Certainly but as a special interest group we are not enough in number to be significant. No one is going to parcel of a piece of a public park just so six or seven guys can come and fly their model airplanes.

Any single kids soccer team outnumber the sum total of CL flyers just about anywhere. It is a sad state of affairs, The days of going to the CL field and having to wait in line to get your flight in is long gone (And that was with four circles available). Perhaps CL will one day see a rediscovery from the younger generation, they say everything old becomes new again, but until then we will just have to find places out of the way to enjoy our hobby. Heck not far from my home there is a abandoned overgrown old baseball field, if I had a riding mower and a Trailer I would go out there and cut back the weeds. It is isolated without any residences nearby and would make a great CL flying field are but alas No mower and even if I wanted to rent one no way to get it there.

If anyone has a solution and lives near Palm Beach Gardens, I am willing to put in the elbow work to clear the area. The location is adjacent to Pratt Whitney off of Beeline Hwy. We could claim squatters rights, as I am sure no one would complain nor probably even notice.
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Re: Just glad I dont live here
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2018, 07:52:04 PM »
I've seen similar signs around. Fall out from quad copter and park flyer goof balls.

Actually, when I worked in SoCal in '89, I bought an RC heli while out there and those signs about model aircraft were at almost all parks and schoolyards in the SoCal area, so not necessarily a fallout from quads and parkflyers that really weren't around then.
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