Judging opinion

[rustler]

Way back there was an opinion expressed in SN that a model which turned a square sharply but consequentially bobbled a bit on the recovery deserved higher or at least the same marks as a wider but smoother corner. This as acknowledgement that the flier was trying to get nearer the rule book specs. It's a hell of a job trying to find that again, - can anyone point me straight to it?

[Brett Buck]

Way back there was an opinion expressed in SN that a model which turned a square sharply but consequentially bobbled a bit on the recovery deserved higher or at least the same marks as a wider but smoother corner. This as acknowledgement that the flier was trying to get nearer the rule book specs. It's a hell of a job trying to find that again, - can anyone point me straight to it?

   Sorry, I can't seem to  find that one. But of course the answer is "it's a matter of degree". How big a bobble VS how big a radius. Both are errors, the judge has to weigh them relative to each other.

    Brett

[Andrew Borgogna]

Watching the video of Reme Berringer's winning flight at the Worlds a few years back, it seems the FAI like smooth corners, even if they are a little larger than they do bobbles.  But as we all know FIA and AMA are not the same! Personally I like the smooth round corners and no bobbles, but I will give higher points to a sharp corner if there is no bobble. 
Andy

[Howard Rush]

I'm no help on finding the thing you're looking for, but I encourage judges to reward corners and overlook bobbles.  

H. Rush
The Big Bobbler

[john e. holliday]

So true, but it did seem at times some people were getting better scores with a little bobble at one NATS I watched.  But, judges should judge according to the book.  Would love to see/attend a judging clinic at the NATS sometime.

[Brett Buck]

Watching the video of Reme Berringer's winning flight at the Worlds a few years back, it seems the FAI like smooth corners, even if they are a little larger than they do bobbles.  But as we all know FIA and AMA are not the same! Personally I like the smooth round corners and no bobbles, but I will give higher points to a sharp corner if there is no bobble. 

     I don't know about Remi in Spain, but in Muncie, I thought he was hammering it pretty good. The thing that struck me (and everybody else in the crowd) was the extent to which it looked like the airplane lost speed in the corners, and in the maneuvers overall. It was perking along pretty good in level flight, but after the first (what appeared to me to be very hard) corner, it was slow motion from then on. I was very impressed with his ability to keep it from bouncing with all the line whipping and speed variation.

      But of course, what generally makes the difference is the cornering. The harder you can hit it without significant bobbles, the better you do. There's no accident that Paul won the thing so many times in a row.

     Brett

[Randy Cuberly]

I'm no help on finding the thing you're looking for, but I encourage judges to reward corners and overlook bobbles.  

H. Rush
The Big Bobbler

I can only agree with you Howard since I'm the king of Bobblers.  Howerver in reality it's been my painful experience over the years that most (notice that's most) Judges award higher points to a Smooooth pattern than one with any bobbles.  In fact it usually seems that a bobble in one maneuver can tend to lower the scores in some subsequent maneuvers.  Expectations I suppose.
Of course in most cases tighter corners without bobbles will always shine through.

R. Cuberly
The King Bobbler

[Leo Mehl]

I'm no help on finding the thing you're looking for, but I encourage judges to reward corners and overlook bobbles.  

H. Rush
The Big Bobbler

I haven't seen yoyu bobble but your wife says the intersection have a habit of mooving!