Jr. Nobler

[Superclown]

Hi,

Anyone have experience with the Jr. Nobler.  I picked up a basket case from eBAY last year with a Veco 19.  I have it about 90% restored and the engine has been restored by Don Blackburn.

Is there an ideal weight for it?  Location of the CG?  Length of lines?  Good prop for the 19 and Jr. Nobler? Sorry for so many questions but I have no clue for the above questions.

Thanks,
Henry

[Terry Bolin]

I had one and really enjoyed it. I used 52" lines and I would start out with a 9X4 prop to see if that is good for you weight. Good luck!
Terry B

[Bill Little]

Hi Henry,

I have a very light one that I fly with a Fox 15X.  I use a 8-4 on it.  With the Veco 19 I would use the 9-4  probably.  If it is the Ball Bearing version, I would save it for a much larger plane and get a modern .10 or old style .15.  The Veco BB 19 is pretty heavy which will cause balance problems,  and it will fly a Dolphin with no problems! 

Even the plain bearing Veco .19 is one of the heavier old style .19s.

George Aldrich flew his original with an old steel fin Fox 15 which I am going to put in mine. 

Bill <><

[Richard Grogan]

Hi Henry,

I have a very light one that I fly with a Fox 15X.  I use a 8-4 on it.  With the Veco 19 I would use the 9-4  probably.  If it is the Ball Bearing version, I would save it for a much larger plane and get a modern .10 or old style .15.  The Veco BB 19 is pretty heavy which will cause balance problems,  and it will fly a Dolphin with no problems! 

Even the plain bearing Veco .19 is one of the heavier old style .19s.

George Aldrich flew his original with an old steel fin Fox 15 which I am going to put in mine. 

Bill <><

The .15 Fox on 52' .015 sounds about right for this bird. IIRC, that is exactly the setup my nextdoor neighbor growing up in the 70s had going, and it flew great like a little Nobler! As long as she didnt gain too much weight in the rebuild, she should be fine!Have fun!!

[rustler]

No personal experience yet, just chit-chat.  J-Nobler has a good pedigree. The kits usually had terrible wood. I do have a nice kit for a Fox 15 one day. I got this by sorting through 4 kits and pinching all the best components to make one good kit! It was the only way. 

[Glen Wearden]

I built a Jr. Nobler in '69 and ran an Enya 15 in it.  As I recall, it was a good combination, and the plane flew well.  The plane met its demise, along with all of my other model airplane stuff, when, in 1980, a train jumped a siding and came up in our back yard, destroying my shop/storage building, and taking out a beautiful native pecan tree.      Glen

[Garf]

No personal experience yet, just chit-chat.  J-Nobler has a good pedigree. The kits usually had terrible wood. I do have a nice kit for a Fox 15 one day. I got this by sorting through 4 kits and pinching all the best components to make one good kit! It was the only way. 

You could always use one of the kits as a set of templates to clone the kit using good wood. That usually works. I did that with a Shoestring Stunter.

[rob biddle]

  My stepfather built one about 7-8 years ago and used an Fp.25.
 
It did ok round manouvers on 60 footers but was way too nose heavy. The added tail weight really killed it in the squares.

 It died an untimely death on a very windy day.

We held onto the kit plan (as you do) with the intention of  scratch building another one before too long. 

 I plan on building super light and running an Fp.10 on about 48' of 0.010" line.

 Hopefully I can build it sub 15oz, I think it will perform quite well as the Fp.10's are real screamers on the right prop.

 Cheers, Rob.

[Jay]

Can a Jr Nobler be build from the kit plans?  It is my understanding that there's not enough details for the wing, but I been know to be wrong.
Anyone?

Jay

[Bill Little]

Can a Jr Nobler be build from the kit plans?  It is my understanding that there's not enough details for the wing, but I been know to be wrong.
Anyone?

Jay

Hi Jay,

AFAIK, the kit plans do not show a tip rib, and you have to enlarge a drawing of the stab/elev.  The fuselage and top view of the wing (one panel only??) arethe only parts I remember being full size on the plans.

[George]

Can a Jr Nobler be build from the kit plans?  It is my understanding that there's not enough details for the wing, but I been know to be wrong.
Anyone?

Jay

Here is part of my reply to someone who asked about a Junior Nobler over on Stuka Stunt Works:

...Be aware that kit plans do not show the horizontal tail section so the stab and elevator can be interpolated from the isometric 1/4 size view. Also the rib is shown where it passes through the fuselage so you need to create both root and tip rib for the tapered wing. A final thing is the fuselage formers. All doable without a lot of effort.

I believe someone offers the plan with parts drawn on it.

The reason for the large engine range is for the "Hobby Industries Association" event from years ago called the "Air Youth State Championships (AYSC)" where a plane would fly multiple events. For that competition an external tank is also shown on the plans.

The plans show several recommendations...I think GMA preferred the Fox .15 steel fin in his. No muffler was used (by most) in those days, which adds to the balance problem.

Good luck with it.

George

[Leo Mehl]

I campained a Jr. Nobler back in the sixties that had first fox 15 in it. I flew it on 50' lines and won some contests with it. If you don't have plans there are a few kits around that you could trace parts and make templates. the kit had wing layout but not much else. Most of the kits had pretty hard heavy wood in them. I ran a 7=6 prop on this plane at a high rpm because mine was a little heavy but it was a great flyer. Old Modeler from the past. Leo Mehl

[rob biddle]

  Hi Gents,
  I should have stated that we will be able to build another from the kit plan because we kept the stab/elevators from the original. I will have to plot another tip rib, which shouldn't be to difficult as the plan shows the tip ribs chord.

 Cheers, Rob.

[Jim Rhoades]

I built a Jr Nobler while in Japan with the Navy in 1962.  I initially put a ST G20 .15 in it but this made it like a combat ship instead of a stunter so an OS Max II .15 was substituted and that made a great combination.  The LG is short so I usually used a 7/6 but an 8/4 was really better and a little slower.  I just used my U-Reely with .015 lines and reeled out to 55 to 60 ft.  The lap time on 60' lines was the same as my big Nobler with a Fox 35.  My Jr Nobler was quite light but I don't remember just what it weighed.

I'd really like to build another and probably would power it with an OS FP .10 or LA .10.  .012 cables 55' long would be about right.  A light tongue muffler would be necessary to keep the CG correct if the model is built light.  I've seen them built with .19's but the heavier weight and nose heaviness took the snap out of their flying ability.  Mine was a great flyer and really a lot of fun.  I never flew it in a contest but I believe I could have done well with it.  Highly recommended

Jim Rhoades