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[peabody]

Is this stuff the same as the Pica stuff that has been unobtainable for about a decade?

https://www.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJLKL&P=0&fbclid=IwAR0HeW_OQ-zgC-8iy_PZFT9eEjVt7fvMIfoYxWodQC25FD_DtHW5MFaJDxg

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[Brett Buck]

Is this stuff the same as the Pica stuff that has been unobtainable for about a decade?

https://www.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJLKL&P=0&fbclid=IwAR0HeW_OQ-zgC-8iy_PZFT9eEjVt7fvMIfoYxWodQC25FD_DtHW5MFaJDxg

Thanks

  I have never used it, but the reviews on the Tower site, even the positive reviews, talk about how it remains "flexible" and how strong it is. Both of those are opposed to the concept of Pica (which I think was the same as the white Luthier's glue that is now also unobtainable). Pica and the white Luthier's glue were weaker than Titebond or other aliphatics and dried very hard and brittle - which is what made it so easy to sand. The rigidity is what the instrument people liked about it, soft/flexible glue added damping to the completed instrument and changed the sound. The problem with sanding Titebond or other similar glue is that it is flexible, and flexes away from the sandpaper and is pretty "tough", which is great for the bond strength, but not to great for finishing. It's much less of an issue when you are gluing what it was intended for - hardwood.

    The same people who had the old white instrument glue have a new yellow aliphatic that is alleged to be different from Titebond and very hard. I am a bit skeptical because I am 100% certain that they don't own a chemical factory, and even a minimum order of something special would supply people making violins for the next 10,000 years, but I am going to get some and try it.

     Brett

[Brent Williams]

You can get smaller quantities of the luthiers glue from Luthier's Mercantile if you want to try it out.

https://www.lmii.com/glue/2959-babebot-with-lmi-glue-4-oz.html

https://www.lmii.com/glue/2957-lmi-yellow-instrument-glue-8-oz.html

[peabody]

Thanks!

[pmackenzie]

FWIW I have used both the old PICA stuff ( I think I used to get it from Hobby Lobby?) and the new Deluxe Materials stuff.
They seem identical to me.
Mainly I use it for repairing combat models, it gets  along well with the foam leading edge and wicks into spars that are cracked but not broken.

Pat MacKenzie

[Randy Cuberly]

I live about two miles from the Martin Guitar factory, and often take my visiting friends there to take the fantastic tour they give several times a day. I asked them about the adhesives that they use to build their guitars, and the answer was Titebond II. And, large bottles of Titebond II can be seen throughout the factory.

They do use some hide glue when making their custom traditional guitars.

Thought that might be interesting within this discussion...

Bob Hunt

I've been using "Sig Bond" for several years and really like it.  I'm sure it's an Aliphatic Resin (because it smells like it), Hmmmm......  It's relatively fast drying and also relatively easy to sand.  It looks like "Tite Bond" but dries a bit quicker and is much easier to sand.  I've never had any problem with it's strength qualities, but use epoxy for engine mounts and any really high strength requirements.  "Sig Bond" works especially well for planking and wing assembly etc.

Does anyone know if it is specially compounded for SIG?

Randy Cuberly